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General Gaming  » European Union: Stop calling games "free to play" which are not!

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  Elikal

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OP  2/27/14 9:05:02 PM#1

In a staggering move, the European Commission currently debates to disallow companies calling games "free" which apparently are not, since they have paywall of certain kind, and only games are allowed to call themselves "free to play" which are free in it's entirety.

Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-02-27-free-to-play-misleading-advertising-in-europe

Quote:

"The Consumer Protection Cooperation and EC member states have released a list of common positions on the subject, with misleading advertising at the top.

"The use of the word 'free' (or similar unequivocal terms) as such, and without any appropriate qualifications, should only be allowed for games which are indeed free in their entirety, or in other words which contain no possibility of making in-app purchases, not even on an optional basis," the group said."

 

Which I fully support! I am glad to see how the EU often sides with the customers. *waves EU flag* :)

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  Shrilly

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2/27/14 9:06:57 PM#2
This here...This was well needed
  Tygranir

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2/27/14 9:08:00 PM#3
Wait a minute... If you can log into a game and play (regardless of how much content you can play) for free.... how is that not Free to play? You are playing for free!

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  voltt

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2/27/14 9:12:02 PM#4
lol it will be a short list of actual games that are free since its a business there in it to make money
  DMKano

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2/27/14 9:14:00 PM#5

Rift will keep the label in EU - as it is really free to play in its entirety.

 

  CazNeerg

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2/27/14 9:24:53 PM#6

It's amazingly sad that the grasp of the English language in the EU is that poor.  I can't think of one F2P game that can't be played for free.

EDIT: If they can't see that "to play" is an appropriate qualification, they are the ones lacking in appropriate qualifications.

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  User Deleted
2/27/14 9:27:33 PM#7
There are a couple ways you can interpret the meaning of the wording used there. The "in-app purchase" part seems to allow a loophole where players can still go to the company website for virtual goods. Just so long as there's not an actual in-game shop, it might be kosher, (they could still call the game "free to play"). 
  Tuchaka

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2/27/14 9:30:05 PM#8

anybody that needs to be 'saved' from how a game is played by a governmental type institution is terminally stupid.

 

If you can control yourself and not spend tons of money on a F2P there is no problem , if you can't control your spending habits blame yourself.

  imsoenthused

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2/27/14 9:32:08 PM#9
So optional purchases make free games not free? That's kind of like saying a free admittance even in real life isn't free if it has a concession stand inside.
  arieste

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2/27/14 9:35:10 PM#10

What's next?  I can't have a "Free" car because it doesn't come with a lifetime supply of gasoline?  Or a free slice of pizza because it doesn't include the required healthcare and gym membership?    

 

Very few things in the world are totally free without the chance that you'll either pay for it somehow or buy other things.  

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  Thornrage

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2/27/14 9:42:29 PM#11
Originally posted by Tuchaka

anybody that needs to be 'saved' from how a game is played by a governmental type institution is terminally stupid.

 

If you can control yourself and not spend tons of money on a F2P there is no problem , if you can't control your spending habits blame yourself.

This ^^^^^^^

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  Kyleran

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2/27/14 9:52:34 PM#12
All depends on how you define the word "play."

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  Cecropia

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2/27/14 9:54:07 PM#13
It's about bloody time!

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  craftseeker

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2/27/14 9:54:13 PM#14

Cool it guys enough with the nerd rage.

The meeting was primarily with Google and Apple about apps not about F2P MMO games.

"Like it or not, apps and games that cost nothing but that let users spend money inside them have become the norm on mobile app stores. And now the The European Commission is meeting with Apple, Google, and consumer protection groups to discuss reforms to so-called freemium games and apps. It's meeting with the companies today and tomorrow to ask for clearer language about the actual costs involved, as well as to create rules that prohibit any "direct" extortions that ask children to request money from adults. The commission is also asking for tighter controls on how in-app payments are made, as well as for apps to include a direct email address to the developer."

 

"These issues have already been brought up in the US and have led to changes. An earlier policy on Apple's App Store allowed purchases to be made without an iTunes password within a brief window, something that was later rectified. Nonetheless, the feature attracted a complaint from the Federal Trade Commission and an eventual settlement involving $32.5 million in consumer refunds last month. After settling a separate lawsuit last year, the company also added notices about in-app purchases right on app listings. Google continues to offer a window where passwords are not required, though last month said it was working on extra controls over Google Play purchases"

both quotes from: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/27/5453934/the-european-union-is-grilling-apple-and-google-about-free-to-play

 

  askdaboss

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2/27/14 9:56:29 PM#15

Two things:

- First, this is mainly aimed at the smartphone market and casual games,

- Second, this is mainly aimed at children.

Now, I am pretty sure that Apple asks the smartphone owner to enter their credentials before EVERY in app purchase. It's not like it happens behind your back - without you noticing.

Parents who give control of their credit card to their young (and old) children (by giving their account password or whatever) and end up with a bill of £980 should be publicly be named and shamed.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/27/apple-google-in-app-purchases-children-european-commission

  WhiteLantern

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2/27/14 9:58:31 PM#16

Yes, that's exactly what we need, more government interference in our lives. Oh wait, EU, nevermind.

 

I'm glad to see that legislatures in the EU have nothing better to do than debate video games. Utopia over there, I suppose.

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  DMKano

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2/27/14 10:01:10 PM#17
Originally posted by Kyleran
All depends on how you define the word "play."

Also how you define "to" 

:)

 

  craftseeker

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2/27/14 10:02:48 PM#18
Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Yes, that's exactly what we need, more government interference in our lives. Oh wait, EU, nevermind.

 

I'm glad to see that legislatures in the EU have nothing better to do than debate video games. Utopia over there, I suppose.

  1. It is a discussion not a direction or a piece of legislation
  2. It is being done by the European Commission not the European Parliament or any other legislature
  3. It is not about video games but about phone apps
  4. The US of A  already did something very like this.
  FinalFikus

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2/27/14 10:18:56 PM#19


truth in advertising is a good thing.

 

 

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  Notimeforbs

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2/27/14 10:21:03 PM#20
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Kyleran
All depends on how you define the word "play."

Also how you define "to" 

:)

 

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