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  Annekynn

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"In lag, no one can hear you scream"

2/22/14 7:26:00 PM#141


Originally posted by Ender4
I will add that the combat system is just dreadful. I'm fine with action based combat but go the GW2 path if you are going to do this, the Wildstar system is just terrible. It is so darn easy to exploit mob AI and any lag at all in PvP is going to make it hopeless.

It is another one of those games where you attack as many things as you can because it is so easy to exploit them that there isn't much hope of ever losing an open world PvE fight. Just avoid the red blobs on the ground and you win.


Actually since the attacks have an aoe component its quite easy to accidentally aggro things and have more beating on you than planned if youre not careful. Ive seen deaths occur because of just that. As for lag, again since the attacks have an aoe component even if the character is off by a foot to the left or right youre still going to hit them. Dont assume its going to suck if you havent done it

And aggroing everything isnt such a smart thing if you get stunned or knocked down and promptly annihilated. Yes skilled players obviously if they want to grind mobs will find ways of doing it well in every game. The average person however wont.

  Arakazi

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2/22/14 7:55:23 PM#142

I never liked angry joe personally. But I can hardly fault his reviews since most of the things he says about games are spot on. When lots of other reviewers were gushing over Bioshock Infinite, calling it the greatest game ever he was the first reviewer I came across that said it wasn't. He still gave it a 9/10 though... I thought it was a 8/10 at best. Personally I prefer other reviewers such as TotalBiscuit and the guys at eldergeek because their taste in games are closer to mine.

But in regards to Wildstar, I haven't played it but in everything I've seen so far it seems far too generic. It just seems old.

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  slickbizzle

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2/22/14 8:05:41 PM#143

I don't understand why anyone gives someone else's opinion any weight period.  His opinion is just that, his.  Play the game and form your own.  There are too many followers and not enough individuals in this world.

 

NEVER! If I'm going to bum $50 from my 87 year old mom for a video game, you'd better believe I'm going to miss all my job interviews scheduled for the week to listen to Angry Joe over and over again so he can tell me whether it is worth buying!

 

 

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

2/22/14 8:06:57 PM#144
Originally posted by elvenwolf
I had the opposite reaction, I wasn't interested when I just saw the videos, then I tried a couple of stress tests. The first one I was like mhhh... then I got used to the looks of the game, and  it did grow on me. Now I am going to preorder.

This was me.

Exactly how I felt.

  Dreycraft

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"Oh, so they have Internet on computers now!"

2/22/14 9:03:20 PM#145
It's ESO all the way for me, but everything I've seen of WildStar looks like a blast. I love the art style and the game's humorous personality, the narrator for the trailer of the game sounded like I was watching a preview for Machete. Every mmorpg is always so serious, it's cool that there's one with a sense of humor so to say. The classes look fun and varied, action combat, there's plenty of PvP, the return of 40-man raids, player housing from the start, warplots (whatever they are, but they look cool)and it's a futuristic setting that's totally it's own, not Star Trek or Star Wars. Who cares if all of the game's aspects aren't new, new, new, GW2 went down that road and it wasn't as great as they promised. If ESO didn't exist, WildStar is what I'd be waiting for.
  Annekynn

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"In lag, no one can hear you scream"

2/22/14 9:51:44 PM#146


Originally posted by dreycraft
It's ESO all the way for me, but everything I've seen of WildStar looks like a blast. I love the art style and the game's humorous personality, the narrator for the trailer of the game sounded like I was watching a preview for Machete. Every mmorpg is always so serious, it's cool that there's one with a sense of humor so to say. The classes look fun and varied, action combat, there's plenty of PvP, the return of 40-man raids, player housing from the start, warplots (whatever they are, but they look cool)and it's a futuristic setting that's totally it's own, not Star Trek or Star Wars. Who cares if all of the game's aspects aren't new, new, new, GW2 went down that road and it wasn't as great as they promised. If ESO didn't exist, WildStar is what I'd be waiting for.

"I found a better game for me, but your game looks cool too" , kudos :) Should be a fun year for many!

  rygard49

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2/22/14 10:05:26 PM#147
Originally posted by Annekynn

Why is it a huge step forward compared to WoW? well, lets try a few:

1) brings back 40 man raiding which WoW abandoned in the 2nd expansion, while still offering 20 man raids for smaller guilds

I had to kind of chuckle at this. The previous poster says it's a step backward. You say it's a step forward, and your first example to prove that point is because it brings back a raiding style that was last seen... 6 years ago? Longer?

I can't argue the rest of your points, this one just got a titter out of me.

 

  sdeleon515

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2/22/14 10:14:26 PM#148
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by Annekynn

Why is it a huge step forward compared to WoW? well, lets try a few:

1) brings back 40 man raiding which WoW abandoned in the 2nd expansion, while still offering 20 man raids for smaller guilds

I had to kind of chuckle at this. The previous poster says it's a step backward. You say it's a step forward, and your first example to prove that point is because it brings back a raiding style that was last seen... 6 years ago? Longer?

I can't argue the rest of your points, this one just got a titter out of me.

 

I hate to say it's hard to really comment on whether bigger or smaller raids are better. Smaller raids in WoW always lacked some fresh blood and boredom at some level. Larger raids are harder to setup but you end up needing to build good reputations to keep/attract players and it's a bit more dynamic in the gameplay as far as roles and jobs. 

I still shrug why players talk about PvP on mmo's but everyone will toss the "oh gawd here come's someone bringing up EvE in a PvP discussion again" but hey it's relevant. In the end it's just a difference of preference and styles really.

  Ice-Queen

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"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

2/23/14 9:45:31 AM#149
Originally posted by Omali
Some of you need to stop acting like a person shot your parents just because they didn't like something that you do. Considering the outbursts here over an entertainer on Youtube, I'd hate to see how some of you react to things in life that have actual meaning.

It's sad when someone takes negative feedback for a video game so personally. I honestly don't know how they get by in life being so overly sensitive and heartbroken from feedback.  Do they rant and cry and rage in real life if someone doesn't share their opinions?

 

 

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  Annekynn

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"In lag, no one can hear you scream"

2/23/14 9:54:12 AM#150


Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Annekynn Why is it a huge step forward compared to WoW? well, lets try a few: 1) brings back 40 man raiding which WoW abandoned in the 2nd expansion, while still offering 20 man raids for smaller guilds
I had to kind of chuckle at this. The previous poster says it's a step backward. You say it's a step forward, and your first example to prove that point is because it brings back a raiding style that was last seen... 6 years ago? Longer?

I can't argue the rest of your points, this one just got a titter out of me.

 


Blizzard got rid of many things. 40 man raids, 10 man dungeons, elite mobs in quest areas, a non-themepark design that required exploration and travel after level 30, roaming group-only mobs, bosses that wouldnt reset back to their starting spot if moved more than 30 feet, etc.

Most of that was done because the game was too hard for the 11 year olds swarming the games servers, and not because the content wasnt fun or challenging. WildStar brings all that back, but then improves upon it and modernizes it.

  Bladestrom

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2/23/14 10:36:02 AM#151
The question is, they have brought it back ^^ but will it be difficult? They are aiming for that very same young market who have indeed not been allowed to experience and learn from challenging content (e.g you can literally run a 5 man blindfolded in wow with gear 2 tiers below max) so catch 22, or will they be have the courage of their convictions to fight off shareholders demands for max profits etc...

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  Annekynn

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"In lag, no one can hear you scream"

2/23/14 10:57:25 AM#152


Originally posted by Bladestrom
The question is, they have brought it back ^^ but will it be difficult? They are aiming for that very same young market who have indeed not been allowed to experience and learn from challenging content (e.g you can literally run a 5 man blindfolded in wow with gear 2 tiers below max) so catch 22, or will they be have the courage of their convictions to fight off shareholders demands for max profits etc...

Its not just a question of difficulty but how interesting will the fights be, how varied will they be, how innovative will they be etc. We wont know till we get there and try them out. Certainly Carbine has enough former WoW and other devs on hand that can come up with fun designs and hopefully they understand the difference between hard/challenging and punishing.

  Annekynn

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"In lag, no one can hear you scream"

2/23/14 11:08:07 AM#153


Originally posted by Ice-Queen

Originally posted by Omali Some of you need to stop acting like a person shot your parents just because they didn't like something that you do. Considering the outbursts here over an entertainer on Youtube, I'd hate to see how some of you react to things in life that have actual meaning.
It's sad when someone takes negative feedback for a video game so personally. I honestly don't know how they get by in life being so overly sensitive and heartbroken from feedback.  Do they rant and cry and rage in real life if someone doesn't share their opinions?

 

 


Because its not informed feedback. Its the equivalent of complaining about a restaurant that youve never ate at before having just looked at their menu. Or if you just tried one of their dishes and assume everything else they have to offer looks and tastes exactly like that.

If someone got to level 20 and then posted negative feedback saying "well I saw the capital city, dungeons, adventures, did some pvp, explored the world, and ive decided that the game sucks because it promised X but only delivered Y" then that would be informed feedback. Watch some of those players on Twitch that have level 27 characters and what not. THEY give informed feedback as to the state of the game and quality of the content. Angry Joe does not or he simply doesnt play long enough to become informed. Simple proof is in his turn around on TESO. One he played it long enough to see what it has to offer he all of a sudden started to be impressed.

And if you were to say that the game needs to be impressive from the immediate start then I would say two things, 1) both TESO and WS are not that impressive from the start and 2) its the equivalent of wanting a car to be totally impressive when all youve done is driven it in a parking lot. Sometimes it takes a drive down the street or highway to see the big picture.

  Thorkune

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2/23/14 11:10:06 AM#154
Originally posted by keithian

I find his reviews both here and ESO whether he likes them or not are very juvenile and unprofessional and his little brat posse behind him only makes it worse. Why anyone cares what he thinks is beyond me.  

I couldn't have said it better myself. 

  AzurePrower

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Ahh yes, "Hypers." The people who praise and hate every MMORPG... We've dismissed that claim.

2/24/14 2:37:52 AM#155
Wasn't Angry Joe the one who mega-hyped Guild Wars 2?
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2/24/14 3:41:34 AM#156
Originally posted by AzurePrower
Wasn't Angry Joe the one who mega-hyped Guild Wars 2?

That could be said about almost any game journalist, youtuber, blogger and generally any ifamer out there looking for some buzz on their site.  Virtually no one spoke negatively of GW2.  Most declared it as the game that will change the industry forever.

  Rzep

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2/24/14 3:59:21 AM#157
I can't really take the video seriously as something that might influence my view of the game for one simple reason....the douche sitting next to Joe. Why? I am sorry but if someone totally uninterested in a game sat next to me looking over my shoulder the whole time, my experiance with a  game would be completetly different.  How do you get immersed or engaged in a game if you have someone next to you spouting pointless bs...
  Dogblaster

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2/24/14 4:09:34 AM#158
who cares about Angry Joe? :D Not me really
  Rzep

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2/24/14 4:25:38 AM#159
MikeB used to do really good mmo videos, what happened with that anyone know?
  Bacchira

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2/24/14 2:34:48 PM#160

Obviously every game is not for everyone.

Personally, I loved every minute I played and I so wish I could still log in!

 

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