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  Draedz

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2/19/14 9:44:09 AM#221

I understand that the easiest thing to do is compare it to WoW or GW2.  The fact is every zone is split into hundreds of instances.  It will be extremely difficult for a "power trader" to run any kind of market, because the market will solely depend on who is in their instance.  Most of the trading will come from guilds who stake claims in Cyrodil Keeps.  Even then, I don't think people will be changing their campaign or sitting in queue to go shopping.

Most people will probably exhibit some sort of loyalty to people they shop with previously.  People will be in large guilds with lots of craft, so you will easily be able to turn to your guilds to find crafted items.  It will emulate a local business.

Its going to be just fine, there is a lot of unnecessary  panic in this thread.

  VikingGamer

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2/19/14 9:51:11 AM#222

maybe I have missed something because I have only skimmed though this thread but what I have gathered so far is...

 

1. Guilds will be able to members.

2. Guilds that capture keeps will be able to sell to the public in the pvp zone

3. All over trading will be done though trade chat.

 

Understand that I am all for not having a global auction house. In fact I most prefer that auction houses or brokers or markets have locality in a game. That is. Different cities should have different markets so that traders can make money by moving goods. But the above seems to be missing public markets outside of the pvp zone. I simply cannot imagine a game only having public markets in the pvp zone. That would be tremendously limiting. I also think that it will be a huge mistake to limit stores to being run by guilds. It is not simply a matter of encouraging people to join guilds but that it also gives guilds complete control over all the selling done within them.

I will be very surprised if they don't also include something like personal stores. Possibly as a part of personal housing. Another possibility would be to have major towns have isolated public brokers but I like the idea of personal stores better.

I think we haven't gotten the whole story yet. There is simply too much missing in what they have revealed.

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  User Deleted
2/19/14 9:51:40 AM#223
They should have a main auction house system, but put it in the imperial city. might as well, would be fun to watch people kill each other to use it. or they could randomly attach to the back of some greenhorn and people can follow him around screaming at him to stop jumping and moving.
  -aLpHa-

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2/19/14 10:52:18 AM#224


Originally posted by Xblade724
It shouldn't be easy to insta-sell an item .. welcome to a REAL mmo, kiddies. If QQ, go back to world of ezwincraft.

You are so mature and eloquent!

ps: this was purely ironic!

  Arataki

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2/19/14 12:20:30 PM#225

All I am going to say is, how much did those crystal balls cost? And how long did it take to get the degree in virtual economies?

Like the idea of it or not, some of you are asserting truths on minimal factors and outright insulting others over opinions. Cool it down.

  alexhpy98721

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2/19/14 1:35:49 PM#226

Just wait until they add one... they will add one eventually as most people playing 1-2 hours a day won`t spend 2 hours just to find a crafter who may not even have what they want... not to mention that you will simply not know the item with the stat combination you want even exists without some kind of list.

 

I could go on... but anyway if this bothers you just wait. They will add stuff later on and i`m sure an Auction House will be among them(unless they can`t for some technical reason)

  lizardbones

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2/19/14 1:41:44 PM#227
Originally posted by Arataki

All I am going to say is, how much did those crystal balls cost? And how long did it take to get the degree in virtual economies?

Like the idea of it or not, some of you are asserting truths on minimal factors and outright insulting others over opinions. Cool it down.

 

It would just be an Economics degree, maybe with a focus on closed economies, if such a thing exists.  I think CCP employs at least one legit Economist.  I doubt there are any posting on these forums.

 

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  SpottyGekko

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2/19/14 2:02:15 PM#228
Originally posted by alexhpy98721

Just wait until they add one... they will add one eventually as most people playing 1-2 hours a day won`t spend 2 hours just to find a crafter who may not even have what they want... not to mention that you will simply not know the item with the stat combination you want even exists without some kind of list.

 

I could go on... but anyway if this bothers you just wait. They will add stuff later on and i`m sure an Auction House will be among them(unless they can`t for some technical reason)

That line I highlighted reminded me of the often loooong convo's I had with some customers during my days as Master Chef in SWG.

Explaining the many food and drink buffs and how much the stats could be manipulated depending on raw material stats, etc. The fun times tailoring a particular product to be as close as possible to what the customer wanted. Suggesting alternatives...

I even kept text templates that I used to paste into emails as FAQ's for first-timers looking for boutique products.

Keeping my own mailing list of top customers who would receive a mail notification whenever I managed to produce some really good batch of certain items they often bought.

I never spammed anyone, all my mailing list names were there by request. They wanted to be on that list, because it was worth it to them.

  Gdemami

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2/19/14 2:17:56 PM#229


Originally posted by azzamasin

Crafting centric MMO's are really boring.  Call me silly but I like to see shiny loot on a new kill.  It harkens back to my very first MMO, Asheron's Call.  I'd much prefer a loot based economy where crafting is about enhancing and upgrading world drops.  I hate not having RNG in loot distribution but I also hate having gear assigned to specific mobs.  It's why I detest raiding so much.  What I want is the Diablo/Asheron's Call style of loot system but for now I'll have to settle for this.


Crafting may provide depth, incentives and consequences, entire new layers of options.

I am not saying it is any better than loot based economy, it is different approach to game design.


In fact though, I do not think player driven economy is worthy the effort and even when I look at the biggest player driven economy - EVE Online, I must acknowledge CCP came to same conclusion as all their expansions in past years promote "shiny loot" over complex crafting.

  DrDwarf

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2/19/14 6:51:45 PM#230
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by alexhpy98721

Just wait until they add one... they will add one eventually as most people playing 1-2 hours a day won`t spend 2 hours just to find a crafter who may not even have what they want... not to mention that you will simply not know the item with the stat combination you want even exists without some kind of list.

 

I could go on... but anyway if this bothers you just wait. They will add stuff later on and i`m sure an Auction House will be among them(unless they can`t for some technical reason)

That line I highlighted reminded me of the often loooong convo's I had with some customers during my days as Master Chef in SWG.

Explaining the many food and drink buffs and how much the stats could be manipulated depending on raw material stats, etc. The fun times tailoring a particular product to be as close as possible to what the customer wanted. Suggesting alternatives...

I even kept text templates that I used to paste into emails as FAQ's for first-timers looking for boutique products.

Keeping my own mailing list of top customers who would receive a mail notification whenever I managed to produce some really good batch of certain items they often bought.

I never spammed anyone, all my mailing list names were there by request. They wanted to be on that list, because it was worth it to them.

It is much easier to rob people of their mats in a matter of seconds and tell them to go to their guild crafter next time.

  waynejr2

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2/19/14 6:56:58 PM#231
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
Why does it sound like if i dont join a guild i wont be able to efficiently sell my wares if i decide to craft?

Maybe they are keeping true to ES games like Skyrim which didn't have an AH.

  TheRealDarkeus

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2/19/14 7:44:12 PM#232

I don't know.  It sounds like it will foster social activity and interaction. It seems like you will have conglomerates and trade wars.  It sounds like the PvP has people excited enough that taking keeps and all of that will have extra benefit.

 

Global AH's are nice and easy but you don't have to socialize at all.  Post and wait. That is all.  Maybe this will allow some new ways to sell things to people.

Don't knock something until you get to try it.  And, don't kock something because it means you have to put a little more work in than the usual pressing of a button....

  Knotwood

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2/19/14 7:44:43 PM#233

this game I will be playing solo because of the RPG aspect of the game and do not want to feel rushed during my gametime while leveling which always comes with joining a guild.

 

We're going to see a old school way of selling things again.   I kind a look forward to that, its a fun interactive part of trading that has been missing for years, even though its an inconvenient way to sell things.    I'll probably be trading my skins mostly for ores so I can advance my blacksmithing.   That should be fun!

  G4NK3D

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2/19/14 9:05:04 PM#234
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

So i am going to have to join some big market oriented guild if i want to make any money. Or sit in town circa 2000 everquest 1 days and spam WTS ********* for hours on end?

 

Talk about 1 step forward 2 steps back. I dont like this idea of guilds run marketplaces and requiring control of pvp points to facilitate this.

 

I dont want to join a guild, i also dont want to be completely broke which is what it sounds like will happen if i  dont join a guild. 

It's an MMO, it's based around "Massive Multiplayer Online" gamers.  If you don't want to join a guild then don't but it's much better this way for the rest of us who don't want to be spammed by gold farmers who have inflated the servers economy just to sell us back the gold we've spent buying their overpriced merchandise off the AH.  It sounds to me like you're just being difficult, thinking of any reason to complain about the trade system.  How hard is it to join a guild?  Is that something that's going to ruin your gameplay experience?  Are you going to be totally inconvenienced by the fact that you have to spend two minutes in chat to ask for an invite to a guild? If so then maybe this just isn't the place for you.  I for one am excited for the games release and look forward to the trade system, one of the large number of things in this game that is promoting guildees working together instead of a solo system.  It's an online game for a reason, because people should be working together to make everything as great as it is and make everything work out properly.  If you want an experience you can look forward to doing solo then stick to the offline games in my opinion.

  Talemire

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2/19/14 9:15:29 PM#235
I support no AH for two reasons: 1) Because through one lens it encourages such interactions. 2) Through the other lens because it leaves room for some offline player vendoring system to be implemented (player marketplaces).

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  Orious

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2/19/14 9:20:07 PM#236

Auction houses are great at consolidating prices as well as creating large scale inflation. They are also great at spreading out gear. However, they also shrink the world and help to remove the sense of wonder when trying to find gear to use.

In ESO Crafters are going to be very important BECAUSE of the lack of AH as well as the reasons shown in the newest video.

A guild crafter will probably end up crafting for the guild and get  the best gains out of that.

A solo crafter will be able to craft gear with everyone in mind, but the best gains will probably be with the solo player (because the solo player will be guildless).

I read somewhere that there may be kiosks though, so being offline and selling is just like throwing something on a local auction house. It also keeps the social hubs populated and alive.

I for one am looking forward to finally playing a AAA game that doesn't have an AH.

  isanderSWG

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2/19/14 10:47:55 PM#237
Originally posted by Orious

Auction houses are great at consolidating prices as well as creating large scale inflation. They are also great at spreading out gear. However, they also shrink the world and help to remove the sense of wonder when trying to find gear to use.

In ESO Crafters are going to be very important BECAUSE of the lack of AH as well as the reasons shown in the newest video.

A guild crafter will probably end up crafting for the guild and get  the best gains out of that.

A solo crafter will be able to craft gear with everyone in mind, but the best gains will probably be with the solo player (because the solo player will be guildless).

I read somewhere that there may be kiosks though, so being offline and selling is just like throwing something on a local auction house. It also keeps the social hubs populated and alive.

I for one am looking forward to finally playing a AAA game that doesn't have an AH.

First paragraph is true enough.  It won't be easy to compare what the highs and lows of a particular item is over the whole market since there won't be a way to search.  If the large guilds overinflate the price of something, it's not like smaller guilds or solo crafters can spread the knowledge well enough to compete, so there's going to be lots of profit to be made.

Finding/crafting gear is probably also a good time sink that you have to do in order to do PVP/PVE.  Who wants to go out in substandard gear?  So it should take more time to find gear than an AH system.

Someone talked about special places to craft things.  If those are in PVP zones, there might be an incentive to blockade those workshops to restrict a certain item for a particular guild alliance.

  isanderSWG

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2/19/14 10:52:22 PM#238
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by BeansnBread

Yeah, it's not a system for people that aren't too keen on joining guilds. I'm sure people will defend it by saying it builds community, but the flip side is that it alienates people that prefer not being in giant guilds. 

 

You can be in 5 different guilds though. So potentially you could just use it for selling and then get in another tight guild. I'm really curious to see how all of it works out once this game goes live. Only one and a half months to go. :)

Agreed.  Hopefully some good forum trading sites pop up.

mmorpg.com is probably going to put up a forum for trading.  I've seen a few ESO trade pages in other places, so we'll have plenty of choices.

  isanderSWG

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2/19/14 10:56:07 PM#239
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by Phry

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Perhaps the lack of a convenient AH will kill the game ?

 

If the majority of players actually enjoy the game play and don't struggle to keep their gear current, I can't imagine there being a mass exodus due to the AH being a somewhat clunky process.

 

I intend to join at least 12 guilds (4 per alt) purely for the purpose of trading, and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of "trade shell" guilds. If I cannot adequately gear my characters using that mechanic to supplement my drops and quest rewards, I'll be crying on the forums too.

Not sure if the game is going to scale difficulty for combat differently in the first patch after it goes live, but I recall a different combat thread where one tester was belittling another tester for being a few levels lower than the quest.  I'm guessing that might indicate that tactics won't ever be enough to bridge being too poorly equipped/leveled.

  eindinbloch

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2/19/14 11:11:36 PM#240
Personally, I am very excited about the prospects of not having an auction house.  I think it was a bad idea to begin with and completely ruined economies in games.
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