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  SBFord

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OP  2/17/14 11:34:20 AM#1

With only five days to go in the Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Kickstarter campaign, and with nearly 50% of funding yet to be raised, the team has laid out the details for the post-crowd sourcing effort. Most notably, the team plans to continue crowd funding via the game's own site, whether or not KS is successful. The post also lays out the first details of a three-tiered subscription plan.

The free subscription will allow you to interact with friends and guildmates on the social hub portion of the site where you can create or join guilds or groups and interact with your social connections through the site. As a free subscriber, you'll also be able to see all of the public areas of the website and forums to keep up with what's going on with Pantheon.

The Supporter subscription will allow you all of the functionality of the free subscription and will include a special name color for supporters in the social hub, chat room and forums. As a supporter you'll also be able to reply and offer answers to topics in the Think Tank, which is a special area of the site where developers and community will be tossing around some ideas for feedback. The top messages get voted up, and potentially worked into the game! Supporters will be able to post on the non-public forums.

The Champion subscription will include everything the Supporter level has, with a new unique name color exclusive to champions, and the ability to post and comment in the wiki. In addition to all of this, champions will be invited to a weekly roundtable stream where they'll be able to participate directly with the devs while discussing the design of the game. Topics of the roundtable will vary from points brought up in the Think Tank, to discussions from the Champions forums, to design details of actual game elements. This subscription will get you more involved than ever before!

Read the full post on the Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen site.

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  Pigglesworth

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2/17/14 12:26:34 PM#2
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

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  Ozmodan

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2/17/14 12:34:20 PM#3
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

The reason being that this proposed game is not even close to hard core.   They might want you to think it is, but this is just another themepark in disguise.  It might be harder than the average theme park, but that is all relative.

  Heretique

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2/17/14 12:35:46 PM#4
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

A bit bitter? As a "hard core' gamer myself, Brad McQuaid is a loon anyhow so I expect the development on this game to change focus a lot (not a good thing).

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  Tierless

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2/17/14 12:45:49 PM#5
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

By that logic I don't like games because I don't buy ever single new game that is made irregardless of quality.

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  Buccaneer

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2/17/14 2:26:44 PM#6

I pulled my pledge.  This KS has been a train wreck from the start. IMO Brad turned up thinking his name alone would get him the funding his game needs.  Now the KS has failed and by the looks of it Brad and the team are not going to try and save it by already concentrating on plan B.   If he had turned up with something concrete instead of placeholder graphics and a vague collection of  ideas it may have got funded but instead it shows the team's arrogance or poorly thought out business plan and mis-management.  There is no way I'll be donating money to a private website or subscribing to access part of their forums after the evidence they have shown on how not to run a KS campaign.  How can I have faith they would be able to deliver a fully functioning MMO.

It's a shame.  I feel this KS does not represent the community who would want a game based on the core concepts of EQ and VG.  I hope it does not cause lasting damage and maybe another dev will take up the mantle to deliver an old school MMORPG.

  alakram

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2/17/14 3:09:57 PM#7
Originally posted by Buccaneer

I pulled my pledge.  This KS has been a train wreck from the start. IMO Brad turned up thinking his name alone would get him the funding his game needs.  Now the KS has failed and by the looks of it Brad and the team are not going to try and save it by already concentrating on plan B.   If he had turned up with something concrete instead of placeholder graphics and a vague collection of  ideas it may have got funded but instead it shows the team's arrogance or poorly thought out business plan and mis-management.  There is no way I'll be donating money to a private website or subscribing to access part of their forums after the evidence they have shown on how not to run a KS campaign.  How can I have faith they would be able to deliver a fully functioning MMO.

It's a shame.  I feel this KS does not represent the community who would want a game based on the core concepts of EQ and VG.  I hope it does not cause lasting damage and maybe another dev will take up the mantle to deliver an old school MMORPG.

+1

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  alakram

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2/17/14 3:11:27 PM#8
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Kickstarter dont give them the money if the campaing fails. Im not an erudite on Ks but I think it works that way.

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  Seelinnikoi

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2/17/14 3:13:53 PM#9

Vaporware in 3...2...1...

 

On a serious note, they will not be able to raise the money.

  Ice-Queen

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2/17/14 3:27:55 PM#10
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

It could very well be there aren' enough people that want this type of game. I think theres an audience for it though, several hundred thousand people played the original EQ, UO, DAOC, and those same people are out there probably still playing mmorps's, they didn't just all die off. There's potential.

The problem is the Kickstarter from the beginning was a mess. First thing, first impressions are important. To start, that pitiful video they had up at the beginning that lacked enthusiasm, and bored us to tears, while they read from a script (the only smart thing they've done since they started the Kickstarter was to take that video down).

The tiers are just thrown together, and the ones that "the best deal" type tiers like the $45 one went fast, that tier should have been at least a $100 tier imo. Their lack of focus, lack of interaction with backers/potential backers from the start has been pathetic, lack of direction...can go on and on. Brad was MIA for a few weeks after the Kickstarter started, and the interaction given wasn't much and still isn't.

From the beginning it's been limping along and they did nothing to try and fix that. Instead they went a few weeks into the Kickstarter and were working on their own website for after Kickstarter failed. That doesn't give much faith in them. They failed to draw us in give us confidence in the project. They gave us no reason to back the project other than, hey it's old school.

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  Binny45

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2/17/14 3:47:24 PM#11
Just so I'm clear: My kickstarter donation does not go through if the KS campaign fails right?

  goboygo

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2/17/14 4:04:32 PM#12
Originally posted by Binny45
Just so I'm clear: My kickstarter donation does not go through if the KS campaign fails right?

Correct.

  xxtriadxx

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2/17/14 5:01:05 PM#13
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

 

Has more to do with Brad McQuaid being associated with it and the lingering remnants/memories/feelings of the initial release of Vanguard.

 

shrug.

  iridescence

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2/17/14 5:09:46 PM#14
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

This Kickstarter was poorly run. PVP and crafting should have been included in the base game for one thing and if you are making a tech demo to get investors don't pretend it's a full game.

 

A Kickstarter for a game with these basic ideas could raise the money but just because you have good ideas people still be able to trust that you can make the game you're promising to make for the money you are asking for or they aren't going to back your game.

 

  Vivasvan

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2/17/14 5:18:11 PM#15
I so want a game like this / old EQ/ back. I want it so badly

But unless I came in this mmorpg I never even would have known anything about it and I'm not paying for funding.

Why should I I never payed for EQ funding so since I want to go back to those days I won't pay for this funding.

Also of all the names in the universe - why the hell would you chose a name like pantheon...

There are more epic names for a MMO trying to bring back the glory of old
  skeaser

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2/17/14 5:47:22 PM#16
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

Except Pantheon didn't offer much of anything. No crafting, no housing, nothing but combat and dungeons. Everything that is necessary to put the RPG in MMORPG was buried in stretch goals.


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  syriinx

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2/17/14 6:49:31 PM#17
Originally posted by alakram
Originally posted by Buccaneer

I pulled my pledge.  This KS has been a train wreck from the start. IMO Brad turned up thinking his name alone would get him the funding his game needs.  Now the KS has failed and by the looks of it Brad and the team are not going to try and save it by already concentrating on plan B.   If he had turned up with something concrete instead of placeholder graphics and a vague collection of  ideas it may have got funded but instead it shows the team's arrogance or poorly thought out business plan and mis-management.  There is no way I'll be donating money to a private website or subscribing to access part of their forums after the evidence they have shown on how not to run a KS campaign.  How can I have faith they would be able to deliver a fully functioning MMO.

It's a shame.  I feel this KS does not represent the community who would want a game based on the core concepts of EQ and VG.  I hope it does not cause lasting damage and maybe another dev will take up the mantle to deliver an old school MMORPG.

+1

Except this has been shown to be sufficient in the past.

Its a combination of poorly run kickstarter, vanguard's failure, and kickstarter fatigue.

The people that will donate to a kickstarter are already tied up in multiple other mmorpgs, none of them remotely close to release.  Not all are willing to add more.

  kairel182

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2/17/14 6:55:12 PM#18
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

This has nothing to do with anything you're talking about nor anything you're claiming.  I would love a game designed around the old school PvE group style gaming but I won't touch a Kickstarter project with a 10 foot pole.  We've yet to see any of these even remotely large games funded come to fruition, not to mention Brad McQuaid's track record has been less than bad.

  itchmon

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2/17/14 9:32:30 PM#19

am i missing this by leaps and bounds, or are they asking me to pay 5-15 a month to use forums?

 

because if they are, not only am i not giving them my damn money but i'm also gonna put it towards one of their kickstarted competitors.

 

i'll set a poll and ask which one of the games i've already kickstarted, and who have treated me with respect, i should give another 50 to.  Choices being star citizen, Garriott;s game, repop, camelot unchained, and hex.

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  bcbully

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2/17/14 9:40:05 PM#20
Originally posted by xxtriadxx
Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Finally, maybe all the "hard core" gamers will stop claiming that all MMO gamers want what they claim. Pantheon offered them everything they asked for and it still couldn't get even $500k funding.

Apparently the "hard core" gamers are a loud minority that will not put their money where they mouth is.

 

Has more to do with Brad McQuaid being associated with it and the lingering remnants/memories/feelings of the initial release of Vanguard.

 

shrug.

I don't know the guy. I do know that he presented about a page worth of game info, then asked for money. I think most people need a little more to go on.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

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