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  Doogiehowser

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2/15/14 3:15:06 PM#21
Originally posted by Boreil
Its melee combat is better than any of the others out there like it right now, Tera/Raiderz/Neverwinter etc etc .

Better than Tera? i completely disagree.

Unless in your opinion awkward animations and sluggish combat is 'better'.

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  Reklaw

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2/15/14 3:15:37 PM#22

When my skill bars where filled I really enjoy'd melee as a nightblade. Sure the starter area was rather "informative" for new players. But as said in my own topic those intro's are meaningless to me with MMORPG's and a MMO starts for me after a starters area else I just can not be fair to meself to jugde a MMO.

  Sovrath

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2/15/14 3:17:52 PM#23
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Mpfive
So because you don't like the melee, it's going to end up like SWTOR? Everyone, cancel your pre orders!!!

lol, yeah I agree with you.

And it's NOT the worst combat ever. That doesn't mean what he is saying is necessarily untrue.

There really isn't a feeling of connection during melee combat though there is some. It used to be worse but it's a bit better.

Quite frankly I really enjoy the melee combat though "sure" I wish there was more feeling of impact, of hitting and being hitting.

I do wish it was more like tera in that you could intercept an arrow or completely dodge and attack but with the soft targeting that is not always the case.

 

I spent a lot of time in both 1st and 3rd person trying to get a feel for the combat.  I think 1st person actually plays pretty good but 3rd person is more typical of a MMO experience.  It's not the best system out there but It's no worse than 90% of the other games either.  1st person however is really where this games combat seems to shine. 

I really liked 1st person and found myself in it more often than not.

  superconducting

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2/15/14 3:19:21 PM#24

"no impact, no force behind melee combat"

We've all been saying that since beta first started, and they still haven't done enough to fix it

  gestalt11

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2/15/14 3:21:49 PM#25
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Boreil
Its melee combat is better than any of the others out there like it right now, Tera/Raiderz/Neverwinter etc etc .

Better than Tera? i completely disagree.

Unless in your opinion awkward animations and sluggish combat is 'better'.

Why even bother comparing to Tera?  Its like saying Dark Souls combat is superior to Tekken.  They are too different to bother comparing.

  Nzscorpion80

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2/15/14 3:27:50 PM#26
They made combat the way it is to stop all the moaners complaining that the combat was not like ES games, so they made it boring & simple. On another note, you see blood when you hit, you do see reaction when they are hit with abilitys. Cant remember seeing in GW2 if you hit someone with a normal attack theres a reaction from them, except a massive number appearing.
  Mayor_Haggar

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2/15/14 3:28:38 PM#27
No one can say whether this is a SWTOR waiting to happen, but I must say melee with a two hand is so boring. I was a templar and found myself using magic attacks like 90% of the time until I found a combination of dual-wielding weapons I liked. After that, melee/magic attacks were about 50/50. 
  arieste

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2/15/14 3:30:15 PM#28
Originally posted by Ridrith
it's boring and uninteresting enough for me to not want to play 

So it makes you not want to play, yet you've been playing it for over 6 months.   Why?

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  Talinthis

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2/15/14 3:33:09 PM#29
Originally posted by Ridrith

TESO.  I've been in the beta and playing since mid-2013 and have had a lot of experience playing through the beta, different classes, races, starting areas when given the chance and more.  My main problem with this game, and damn is it a big issue for me since it involves the type of character that I play in almost every MMO/RPG is that the melee combat is HORRIBLE.  Truly one of the most boring, unengaging experiences I've ever had in a MMO.  What's the issue with melee combat?  First and foremost the animations are uninteresting and boring, combat feels like a chore when you're doing the same two animations over and over.  What truly seals the deal however is the impact of melee attacks, as a geared out dragon knight when I charge forward and swing a massive great-sword at somebody's face and it connects I expect to know it.  I want to see them stagger, to make a MOVE, to let me know that they we've been hit.  The only thing you get is seeing their HP bar go down.  There is no impact, no force behind melee combat.  They don't stagger, they don't move, they aren't being thrown around by powerful attacks that would cleave a normal man in half.  It's just bad, and it's boring and uninteresting enough for me to not want to play or pay for this game.

 

Next SWTOR incoming.

sounds like MMO's arent your thing. what game staggers enemies every single time you swing a weapon?

  Azzras

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2/15/14 3:35:15 PM#30

Worst melee combat ever?

Really?  Ever?

SWTOR combat at launch was right up there, but it was smoothed out in a reasonable time...even that wasn't the worst.

I'm not sure the OP knows what the word 'worst' means..

  Urvan

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2/15/14 3:36:11 PM#31
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Boreil
Its melee combat is better than any of the others out there like it right now, Tera/Raiderz/Neverwinter etc etc .

Better than Tera? i completely disagree.

Unless in your opinion awkward animations and sluggish combat is 'better'.

Why even bother comparing to Tera?  Its like saying Dark Souls combat is superior to Tekken.  They are too different to bother comparing.

I disagree, games like Tera, Vindictus, D&DO, NWO and even this game have a very similar combat system and hell you could say its very similar to even Dark Soul's :-P Saying its like comparing it to Tekken is ludicris nonsense.  I also have to say I'm indifferent on whether I agree or disagree with the op as I find those other games mentioned to be about the same but in some ocasions yes they can also seem more boring.



  Iselin

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2/15/14 3:36:22 PM#32
This often repeated complaint is not even on my radar of things to complain about. It is simply, plenty good enough (at least with my preferred DW melee) and thank god they don't used the crazy, over the top, Eastern MMO FX crazed animations.
  DSWBeef

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2/15/14 3:36:25 PM#33
Gonna have to agree. BUT have you tried the bow combat? Its down right atrocious...

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  Mackaveli44

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2/15/14 3:40:15 PM#34
Originally posted by Ridrith

TESO.  I've been in the beta and playing since mid-2013 and have had a lot of experience playing through the beta, different classes, races, starting areas when given the chance and more.  My main problem with this game, and damn is it a big issue for me since it involves the type of character that I play in almost every MMO/RPG is that the melee combat is HORRIBLE.  Truly one of the most boring, unengaging experiences I've ever had in a MMO.  What's the issue with melee combat?  First and foremost the animations are uninteresting and boring, combat feels like a chore when you're doing the same two animations over and over.  What truly seals the deal however is the impact of melee attacks, as a geared out dragon knight when I charge forward and swing a massive great-sword at somebody's face and it connects I expect to know it.  I want to see them stagger, to make a MOVE, to let me know that they we've been hit.  The only thing you get is seeing their HP bar go down.  There is no impact, no force behind melee combat.  They don't stagger, they don't move, they aren't being thrown around by powerful attacks that would cleave a normal man in half.  It's just bad, and it's boring and uninteresting enough for me to not want to play or pay for this game.

 

Next SWTOR incoming.

Lol so your expecting realism from an MMO?  Its called fantasy for a reason.  The sound effects lone are more then enough to "feel" like your hitting them.  The melee combat inthis game is actually quite challenging and damn fun because of that.  Try blocking and see what happens from an attack.  The player/mob gets staggered and stunned.  Havent seen that in an MMO... Their combat is damn fun, but hey its all opinion.  

 I have to ask though.  What was your motive or reason for posting this?  This post has absolutely no deal being here.  Seriously man...  Its hilarious watching people complain about combat animations when WoW, the single most successful MMO in history has some of THEE worst animation in a game Ive ever seen in my many years of playing these, and on top fo that, Wildstars are just as bad and that games getting all sorts of hype for some reason god doesnt even know...

 

Im starting to see a massive trend with MMO players.  Theyre a bunch of "followers"  No leaders or people who can form their own opinions but they choose to follow someone elses... Pretty sad.

  Ryowulf

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2/15/14 3:43:41 PM#35

Combat is slow and clunky. It has no feeling of weight or impact.  The cross-hairs are to far to the right. Yeah you can zoom out a lot, but I like it closer.

Its not awful and is tolerable. FF or Secret World is much worse for example.  But lets not pretend is the greatest thing ever.

  Entinerint

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2/15/14 3:44:53 PM#36
Originally posted by Boreil
Its melee combat is better than any of the others out there like it right now, Tera/Raiderz/Neverwinter etc etc .

Not better than Darkfall, but yeah better than all those you mentioned.

  Iselin

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2/15/14 3:45:13 PM#37
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Gonna have to agree. BUT have you tried the bow combat? Its down right atrocious...

I did. And it didn't bother me. I ran around most of the time with a NB using both bow and DW. I was more concerned with downing groups of 4 or 5 solo in public dungeons, or raining arrows, rooting and knocking back other players in Cyrodiil than what the animations look like.

 

I play an archer in Skyrim so I'm perfectly aware of its superb bow play. I never expected to have that here and it isn't here but it feels just fine to me.

  Siug

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2/15/14 3:45:56 PM#38
Yup it's definitely better to stand still and press 30+ buttons all over your screen. Well, that's the real combat, isn't it.
  marcuslm

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2/15/14 3:46:02 PM#39
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by Nacario
Is there any feedback from devs saying that theyre gonna improve feeling of melee combat?

Let's just put this to bed right now.  The starting areas are not gonna change in any substantive way and neither is combat feel.

 

There is simply no way that a game in the later stages of Beta with its NDA lifted and a hard release deadline can do this without risking completely destroying their game with bugs.

I agree. I have been in a LOT of betas, and I have yet to see a single game change very much at all from beta to release. It just doesn't happen. I am pretty confident in saying that the combat it has right now in beta is what you are going to get at release.

 

 

  gestalt11

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2/15/14 3:53:11 PM#40
Originally posted by Urvan
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Boreil
Its melee combat is better than any of the others out there like it right now, Tera/Raiderz/Neverwinter etc etc .

Better than Tera? i completely disagree.

Unless in your opinion awkward animations and sluggish combat is 'better'.

Why even bother comparing to Tera?  Its like saying Dark Souls combat is superior to Tekken.  They are too different to bother comparing.

I disagree, games like Tera, Vindictus, D&DO, NWO and even this game have a very similar combat system and hell you could say its very similar to even Dark Soul's :-P Saying its like comparing it to Tekken is ludicris nonsense.  I also have to say I'm indifferent on whether I agree or disagree with the op as I find those other games mentioned to be about the same but in some ocasions yes they can also seem more boring.

Tera is way more like a beat-em-up combo-based game than it is like TESO.  DDO sure thats  similar to TESO, although still quite different simply because it has collision.  But TERA is clearly heavily in the asian trend of combo based beat em up type combat.

 

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