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  Brabbit1987

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Posts: 644

2/14/14 4:58:03 AM#101
Originally posted by Epicon
Not everyone is a pro writer

I'm a fantasy author. I mentioned that one time on a MMO forum talking about lore.

Anyway, I made a typo, didn't use proper sentence structure, something like that. So of course, a few people commented, "For a author you'd think you'd spell stuff correct. You don't write the best english."

I explained to them, when I write my books. I get my outline done, and just put shit down. Then I send it off to my EDITOR, who makes sense of my bad engrish, they make 3,000-4,000 editing a book.

My job is really to tell the story, focus on the lore and make sure it makes sense. Their job is to pollish it, be the dialog doctor, and making sure it flows for the reader.

My point is, I wish people would start saying, "Not everyone is a professional editor."

I think, with these gaming sites, the smaller ones at least, most of the time, the writer of a article is the editor as well. Editing a book compared to a article is much easier, I get that. Still though.

Good point, and you are right. I will take that into account next time.

  Raxxo82

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2/14/14 5:14:18 AM#102
Whats up, is that you are whining about players hating on a game you like. And for some reason you.seem to take it very personally. Maybe you need to talk to someone proffessional. I mean its an unfinished game still in beta, and your acting like its the last unicorn. If you just ask Im sure theres alot of people here that can help you. Dont go through everyday carrying this burden yourself. There is helpro be had if you just ask for it'!!

  cheyane

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Joined: 7/17/09
Posts: 2285

2/14/14 5:16:27 AM#103

Two pieces may be three pieces of advice you should take to heart. First, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. You were caught doing the very same thing you have the audacity to complain about but then you did the justify dance. Dude sounds like animal farm's all animals are created equal but some are more equal than others. No point justifying .You want to bring up other people's forum behaviour make sure the skeletons in your closet are all well hidden and cannot be dug up by researching your post history.

Second do not try to control the postings of random anonymous people on the internet. That's tilting at windmills and all that jazz.


Although there is no freedom of speech on a private forum ,the people posting their critique or complaints are well within their rights to do so and no amount of whining on your part will stop them from doing so. If you do want to control it then become a moderator on this forum. Until then practice Lamaze breathing.

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  Seilan

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"Blue, blue."

2/14/14 5:35:43 AM#104
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Seilan

Regardless of who actually said it, the quote seems to fit the definition easily, the way I see it. The official definition states "extreme foolishness or unreasonableness." Is it really such a stretch to assert that doing the same, exact thing over and over again and expecting a different result, would fall into the realm of being... "foolish and unreasonable?" It's implied, therefore the quote works -- despite it not being the literal definition of the word.

It can certainly fall under the category of being foolish, but it's still a false quote no matter how you try and chalk it up.

That would be like me saying the definition of insanity is breaking the law. Sure you can apply the actual definition of insanity to breaking the law because it's foolish, but the actual definition is not breaking the law. Definitions don't work that way I am afraid.

I find it even more funny how everyone keeps trying to argue with someone who isn't wrong. Excuse after excuse and trying to make it seem like i'm wrong when all the proof is on my side. People are truly stubborn.

If we're going by the actual definition of insanity, then yes -- doing something unreasonable like breaking a law could be considered insane (and it often is, depending on the nature and severity of the crime.) The 3rd explanation of the definition clearly states:

a :  extreme folly or unreasonableness

b :  something utterly foolish or unreasonable

So again, given the loose definition(s) of the word, I see the quote as being applicable. Feel free to disagree, but it doesn't make you undoubtedly right.

 

  Calven

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Joined: 7/14/12
Posts: 152

2/14/14 5:52:39 AM#105
Because we hope to influence the game and community by posting valid concerns and criticism. We are only doing the game and its developers a favour by poiting out flaws and wrong doings. We are doing it because we wish to see the game succeed, and we fear that it won't if they continue down the path they have chosen. We might be wrong, who knows. But if you turn a blind eye to everything, if you brush away blatant mistakes and flaws, you're only helping those who wish to see the game fail entirely. If you think the game is perfect the way it is, then I'm happy for you! But adopting a fanboi stance that defends every single action made by the developers is a bad idea. Where I'm from we have a term called 'Bjørnetjeneste' (Bear service). The meaning of the term stems from an old tale, where a bear wanted to help its master who had a fly on his forehead. In good faith the bear used a rock to kill the fly but in doing so also crushed his master's head. In short, 'Bjørnetjeneste' refers to a service done in good faith but does more damage than good.
  Drakynn

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Joined: 3/02/08
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2/14/14 6:00:12 AM#106

The counter question is

If you can't stand to read opinions different from yours in an open forum then why are you reading posts  in an open forum in the first place?

This is not a particular games fan site.This is an open forum to discuss many games,Discussion and debate comes from having different POV and opinions....otherwise it's just a fan circle jerk.

  Punk999

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Posts: 878

2/14/14 6:00:23 AM#107

This is mmorpg.com... pretty much sums it up OP.

OH and my sig does too.

"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied."
^MMORPG.com

  Pilnkplonk

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Joined: 3/02/10
Posts: 1566

2/14/14 6:10:20 AM#108

TL;DR

What a ridiculous question... The ESO Forums are "ESO Forums", they are not "ESO Praising Forums excluisvely for people who like everything about ESO". Where the hell do you get the idea that only positivie opinions should be tolerated on internet forums on any subject? Where are you coming from? My Little Pony Land?

  Eighteen16

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Joined: 8/22/11
Posts: 145

2/14/14 6:13:38 AM#109
Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

TL;DR

What a ridiculous question... The ESO Forums are "ESO Forums", they are not "ESO Praising Forums excluisvely for people who like everything about ESO". Where the hell do you get the idea that only positivie opinions should be tolerated on internet forums on any subject? Where are you coming from? My Little Pony Land?

 

Legit MMORPG response. Negative criticism certainly is a part of discussion, though personally I think it is starting to go overboard on this forum. It would be fine to have one or two threads discussing the overall merits of the game, but somehow every single thread ends up being an argument about whether ESO is worth it or not rather than discussing the specific topic. 

  FlyByKnight

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Joined: 12/31/12
Posts: 488

2/14/14 6:21:17 AM#110

MMORPG.com is a website for people who are fans of the genre overall and have the ability to think critically of a game in context to the genre. It's not a fan site (or so I thought).  If you can't handle negative reviews and opinions from here, there are fan sites that are comprised of people who are like minded in the general celebration of  titles.

 

Telling people to stop giving their opposing opinion on a game you're in love with screams fanaticism. Either state your opinion and counterpoints provide your facts and info, or join like minded folks in more biased forums. You'll be much more satisfied.

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 644

2/14/14 6:23:47 AM#111
Originally posted by Seilan
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Seilan

Regardless of who actually said it, the quote seems to fit the definition easily, the way I see it. The official definition states "extreme foolishness or unreasonableness." Is it really such a stretch to assert that doing the same, exact thing over and over again and expecting a different result, would fall into the realm of being... "foolish and unreasonable?" It's implied, therefore the quote works -- despite it not being the literal definition of the word.

It can certainly fall under the category of being foolish, but it's still a false quote no matter how you try and chalk it up.

That would be like me saying the definition of insanity is breaking the law. Sure you can apply the actual definition of insanity to breaking the law because it's foolish, but the actual definition is not breaking the law. Definitions don't work that way I am afraid.

I find it even more funny how everyone keeps trying to argue with someone who isn't wrong. Excuse after excuse and trying to make it seem like i'm wrong when all the proof is on my side. People are truly stubborn.

If we're going by the actual definition of insanity, then yes -- doing something unreasonable like breaking a law could be considered insane (and it often is, depending on the nature and severity of the crime.) The 3rd explanation of the definition clearly states:

a :  extreme folly or unreasonableness

b :  something utterly foolish or unreasonable

So again, given the loose definition(s) of the word, I see the quote as being applicable. Feel free to disagree, but it doesn't make you undoubtedly right.

 

lol no .. you clearly have no idea what a definition is. Breaking the law isn't by definition insanity. The act of breaking the law can be considered an insane act. Anything that you do that is foolish or unreasonable can be seen as an insane act, but those things do not define the word insane.

The same reason the definition of fun isn't a clown. A clown maybe fun, but it's certainly not the definition of fun.

The same reason the definition of immature isn't fart jokes. Fart jokes can be an immature act, but it's not the definition of immature. 

There is a difference between the act of insanity and the definition of insanity. An act of insanity is a behavior that the word insanity can be used to describe that behavior, but again, it isn't the definition.

 

Holy crap this is ridiculous to have to teach this here -.-

  IDontThinkSoNo

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Joined: 11/22/13
Posts: 63

2/14/14 6:24:50 AM#112
Admitting they're too poor to afford the game is beyond their scope of reality.
  Amjoco

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Joined: 9/15/10
Posts: 3626

2/14/14 6:26:59 AM#113
Originally posted by david31741

I've come to the conclusion that it is they can't/won't play because it is $60 and a subscription fee.

 

They want to play it - but can't or wont unless it's F2P.  Thus, they just talk it down hoping to create that reality....

 

I think there are two camps of gamers playing "MMO's" these days.  Traditional MMOers who play 1 game and play it for years and another that plays a game for a month then moves on to the next or play 5 different games at once.

The later is your F2P camp and they really want to play the "newness" experience one time through.

 

nothing wrong with either style - it's just that a game typically can't be both/ everything to everyone.

 

 

 

Pretty common price. I paid $59.99 for Age of Conan, GW2, Rift, and many more on release. Almost all console games that are worth anything release for the same price and only have about 30 hours game time. XBox game South Park the Stick of Truth. <------Note the price here.  Diablo III  would be more along the genre of ESO and check out the price. /shrug  If the game doesn't live up to the sub fee it will go f2p, and you can play that format, but to get anywhere in those you still wind up paying and probably paying more!

There are no traditional mmoers anymore due to the saturation of the genre. All games are pretty much niche games with smaller populations playing than the past mega titles like WoW. Ofc, this is my opinion.

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  Lawlmonster

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Joined: 10/07/09
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Take my advice, I'm not using it anyway.

2/14/14 6:35:47 AM#114
Originally posted by Eighteen16
Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

TL;DR

What a ridiculous question... The ESO Forums are "ESO Forums", they are not "ESO Praising Forums excluisvely for people who like everything about ESO". Where the hell do you get the idea that only positivie opinions should be tolerated on internet forums on any subject? Where are you coming from? My Little Pony Land?

 

Legit MMORPG response. Negative criticism certainly is a part of discussion, though personally I think it is starting to go overboard on this forum. It would be fine to have one or two threads discussing the overall merits of the game, but somehow every single thread ends up being an argument about whether ESO is worth it or not rather than discussing the specific topic. 

To be fair, you may not be speaking of MMORPG.com as a whole, but people have been making the same assessment regarding the negativity around here for years. The truth is that before release, during the testing phases and surrounding the initial announcement of a new game, there's generally a great deal of forum warrior activity. The game will eventually release, the forums will simmer for a few months, and gradually fill again with people who had previously been on either side of the fence, though managed to discover a change of heart. This is the cycle. It happens with every game, and for understandable reasons: people want to talk about the trending discussion topic, and they're going to disagree with one another more often than not.

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  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

2/14/14 6:49:14 AM#115

I understand you don't get it because neither did the community manager awhile back.

I seriously do not understand how people don't realize there is a current active list of topics on the MAIN page that have NOTHING to do with going into ESO forums.

I obviously don't know for sure but i bet the majority just comment on topics in the current topic list,i mean seriously why post in old topics?

I also wish people would quit posting the word HATE,that is quite an angry word to use.These are very simply just game topics and people give opinions,no need for calling people haters,nobody is personally attacking you with HATE.

Also the Op might not post about games he doesn't play,that just means he is not a real game discussion person,more sounds like just wants to post as a fan and not really discuss anything.

Ever hear of NEWS,you think people can't comment on news even if that news does not concern them?Discussions are something that has been going on for over a 100 years as well as since the internet became a public discussion forum.

 

 

 

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  Reham79

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2/14/14 7:06:17 AM#116
Originally posted by Wizardry

I understand you don't get it because neither did the community manager awhile back.

I seriously do not understand how people don't realize there is a current active list of topics on the MAIN page that have NOTHING to do with going into ESO forums.

I obviously don't know for sure but i bet the majority just comment on topics in the current topic list,i mean seriously why post in old topics?

I also wish people would quit posting the word HATE,that is quite an angry word to use.These are very simply just game topics and people give opinions,no need for calling people haters,nobody is personally attacking you with HATE.

Also the Op might not post about games he doesn't play,that just means he is not a real game discussion person,more sounds like just wants to post as a fan and not really discuss anything.

Ever hear of NEWS,you think people can't comment on news even if that news does not concern them?Discussions are something that has been going on for over a 100 years as well as since the internet became a public discussion forum.

 

 

 

Oh don't kid yourself there are some who generally hate a particular video game and they are not hard to find.  If you post the same misinformation on every single thread about game X that goes beyond having a simple dislike for a video game.  Some of these poster have nothing but hate for a video game plain and simple.  I personally will never understand that mentality or do I think it's a healthy mentality but I'm no doctor.  

 

Just look at Swtor (kinda nice eso is taking the heat so not as bad) there are a few posters who have been crying, whining and hating that video game for over two and a half years (all you need to do is look at their history).  But if your complaining about a video game for over two years there is a problem and it clear they hate that game for what it is.  Granted some just probably can't comprehend others enjoying something they don't and will go out of their way to bash a game which wouldn't fall under hating. Video game but fall under personal issues but they also get called haters.  So yes there are haters and there are some that hate video game X sorry as sad as it sounds it's true. 

  Latronus

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2/14/14 7:19:47 AM#117
Originally posted by Lugors

I want to like the game, but it has issues. 

 

These forums are place to find out if the features in the game are going to interest you, or turn you off. 

 

Some people care about combat animations and how the character stands on a slope.

 

Some people care about the UI and if there will be combat logs and other forms of feedback for theorycrafting.

 

Some people want to know if the classes are balanced and how the PvP feels.

 

Some people want to know if the game sold out to console crowd and has a poor mouse and keyboard menu driven interface.

 

Some of these I could care less about, and some are deal breakers.  How else to find out about them unless you get opinions from other like minded gamers?

 

 

Placing faith in the opinions of others is misguided at best.  Lemmings blindly follow others.  Make your own decision based off your own experiences with the game.  You never know, you find that what you heard was a bad game really isn't.  That goes for anything not just this game.

  himods

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2/14/14 7:52:23 AM#118
I don't give two shits about Wildstar. I bash Zenimax for taking the easy route of making another generic themeparkcrapgame #7362552 and slashing TES skin on top of it. They had a golden opportunity to make a fantastic sandbox, but nooo, lets make another rvr MMO because Warhammer and GW2 somehow didn't deliver. Someone just make UO+Shadowbane hybrid and I'm set for life.
  Nadia

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2/14/14 7:54:24 AM#119
Originally posted by arieste

This is a discussion board, i'm here to share my opinions - be they positive or negative - of the game.  

i try to be neutral and i agree

  Lawlmonster

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Take my advice, I'm not using it anyway.

2/14/14 7:55:17 AM#120
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Wizardry

I understand you don't get it because neither did the community manager awhile back.

I seriously do not understand how people don't realize there is a current active list of topics on the MAIN page that have NOTHING to do with going into ESO forums.

I obviously don't know for sure but i bet the majority just comment on topics in the current topic list,i mean seriously why post in old topics?

I also wish people would quit posting the word HATE,that is quite an angry word to use.These are very simply just game topics and people give opinions,no need for calling people haters,nobody is personally attacking you with HATE.

Also the Op might not post about games he doesn't play,that just means he is not a real game discussion person,more sounds like just wants to post as a fan and not really discuss anything.

Ever hear of NEWS,you think people can't comment on news even if that news does not concern them?Discussions are something that has been going on for over a 100 years as well as since the internet became a public discussion forum.

 

 

 

Oh don't kid yourself there are some who generally hate a particular video game and they are not hard to find.  If you post the same misinformation on every single thread about game X that goes beyond having a simple dislike for a video game.  Some of these poster have nothing but hate for a video game plain and simple.  I personally will never understand that mentality or do I think it's a healthy mentality but I'm no doctor. 

I think the point he was trying to make is that hate is a strong word, reserved for a very limited occurrence of aversion, and throwing it around for frivolous or meaningless bullshit like internet disagreements spoils the purpose. If you're using the word to describe the relationship between a person and a piece of entertainment, it's for dramatic license (otherwise you're kidding yourself), and if people themselves are using it to describe their reaction to a video game, they don't understand when to use the word or the extremity thereof.

"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)

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