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  Moodsor

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Joined: 6/16/06
Posts: 647

2/14/14 6:00:30 AM#41
Oh come on, the Arkship in Wildstar is fucking horrible, definatly does the game no favors.

  Gilllean

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Joined: 1/04/14
Posts: 195

2/14/14 6:00:41 AM#42
Pf I knew that all this game reviewers are shit nothing new here
  Damedius

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Posts: 355

2/14/14 6:03:01 AM#43
Originally posted by evilastro
 

This isn't a single reviewer, or even a minority saying these things.  Zone chat was full of players less than happy with the starter experience, and people have not been shy of expressing these feelings on both this forum and others. You are free to disagree, but you are just naïve if you think you are in the majority. That is why I was saying 'most' and not 'all' players.

That is subjective and unless you are taking a poll, hard to verify.

  DKLond

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 580

2/14/14 6:04:11 AM#44
Originally posted by srsnoob
Originally posted by DKLond
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by DKLond

To me, a review is as useful as the level of insight and objectivity held by the person doing the review.

Let's just say I didn't find many of the ESO reviews/previews very useful.

I didn't find most of the 'useful' either, but I don't think it was their fault.

'NDA' screwed the 'insight'. There's only so much 'insight' one can have when all you have is the starter area.

After the Imp / CE issue and AJ's dislike of this game, I'm skipping launch and will wait.

With what they had available, they had all they needed to provide much more insight and useful feedback.

A lot of them seemed strangely biased, and quite a few seemed to think they were going to play another WoW or GW2  - as if they ignored the possibility that this game is trying something different.

The level of knowledge and objectivity has been very low, and that's saying something considering the overall level of insight displayed in the media.

In my opinion, the primary problem is that these ignorant media people think of these games as WoW-clones - and they seem completely unable to provide a fresh perspective. It takes experience to understand that not all games are alike - and an MMO isn't a thing set in stone.

Quite annoying, really.

So why do you care so much?

Because I'm a human being, probably.

  Zeddakis

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Joined: 9/11/11
Posts: 114

2/14/14 6:18:00 AM#45
Originally posted by Gdemami

Just shows how unprofessional gaming magazine staff is and why their "reviews" are so worthless.

This just goes to show why so many posts here are worthless. If the other person's views don't match someone's views exactly then then the personal insults fly. The posts that the OP referenced showed an actual respectful discussion by people and then the next post is the one above with the personal attacks flying.

  fs23otm

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Joined: 6/11/07
Posts: 271

2/14/14 6:31:53 AM#46

So what if the start island is a little bland.

When you buy the game you get 30 days, and you will clearly be passed the start island in 30 days, which is when the game really opens up. 

All the reviews got to play for a weekend. Which if you were busy and could only play a little, you might not make it passed the starter island. 

If it was a FTP game, you would need to worry about the stater area, because you need to hook people immediately. With P2P and free 30 days.... you don't need to worry about this as much.

  InfiniteStrife

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Joined: 11/24/13
Posts: 20

2/14/14 6:34:43 AM#47
Originally posted by DKLond

ESO grabbed me almost immediately and Wildstar literally provoked a negative physical reaction.

If you understand game design and you're aware that not all MMOs have to work in an identical fashion to be acceptable, ESO will grab you quite quickly, if you're into its design.

If it doesn't grab you until level 10, it's because you're not an informed gamer and you lack the open mind required for a fair evaluation. Even worse, you might be biased against it from the start - which makes you worthless as a person providing accurate feedback.

The game isn't the problem - you're the problem.

Obviously, if the game isn't for you - it won't grab you at all, but that's another matter entirely.

You just EXACTLY proved the point what people are discussing do you realise that?

 

People will leave the game if its not funny. And who are you to judge what the masses likes and dont like?

From a developer standpoint, if you dont manage to grab the attention of the majority...you have failed and your game will fall into only the dedicated ESO fanboys that were gonna buy the game regardlessly like zombies.

 

  DKLond

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 580

2/14/14 6:40:20 AM#48
Originally posted by InfiniteStrife
Originally posted by DKLond

ESO grabbed me almost immediately and Wildstar literally provoked a negative physical reaction.

If you understand game design and you're aware that not all MMOs have to work in an identical fashion to be acceptable, ESO will grab you quite quickly, if you're into its design.

If it doesn't grab you until level 10, it's because you're not an informed gamer and you lack the open mind required for a fair evaluation. Even worse, you might be biased against it from the start - which makes you worthless as a person providing accurate feedback.

The game isn't the problem - you're the problem.

Obviously, if the game isn't for you - it won't grab you at all, but that's another matter entirely.

You just EXACTLY proved the point what people are discussing do you realise that?

 

People will leave the game if its not funny. And who are you to judge what the masses likes and dont like?

From a developer standpoint, if you dont manage to grab the attention of the majority...you have failed and your game will fall into only the dedicated ESO fanboys that were gonna buy the game regardlessly like zombies.

 

No, I didn't realise I proved anything.

I'm not judging what the masses will like.

Maybe you could attempt reading what I write - and then get back to me?

  Drakynn

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Joined: 3/02/08
Posts: 2051

2/14/14 6:54:10 AM#49
It's just amazing to me how many people can't understand the difference between a first look or preview of a game based on limited play and time with it and an actual review of the game.When they can't even understand that fundamental and obvious difference it makes it hard to accept the rest of their opinions as worthwhile IMO.
  srsnoob

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Joined: 1/17/14
Posts: 44

2/14/14 6:55:25 AM#50

Let us examine this issue of people being upset because a product they like is getting bad press.

There are two sides to this coin. One is the press and one is the consumer. Press is defined loosely here; anyone who was given permission by zenimax to speak about their experiences is considered as press. Now since there is such a wide breadth of people considered as press and no official standard set for game journalists in general, the consumers receive many viewpoints, in many formats, in varying degrees of depth and objectivity. But what is objectivity? Wikipedia tells use that objectivity in journalism equivocates to neutrality, meaning to put aside all personal interests and preconceptions. Complete objectivity would mean for the journalists to present their views as if they had never played a game before. This is quite impractical and probably impossible. Rather what game journalists may do is describe their feelings and impressions towards the game in an manner such that consumers who are interested those types of games will be able to understand and relate to. But what matters most is for the journalist to be honest in their views, no matter the level of intelligence with which they are expressed. So what happened here is that some journalists liked the game, others thought it was okay and a few did not like it so much. Although you may disagree with the viewpoint or the manner is which the report was conducted, as long as the journalist was honest in their explanation of how the report was conducted and in their assessment, then there is really nothing wrong with it.

Now let's examine the consumer. The consumer is mad because their future baby won't get the love and attention it deserves! LOL

  jpaprocki

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Joined: 9/23/09
Posts: 236

2/14/14 6:56:18 AM#51
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by evilastro

Yeah how silly of them to point out that the first 10 levels are horrible and unbearable for most players.


I cannot beat poor reasoning you are proposing...


Originally posted by Gdemami

Yeah, because if I dislike something, everyone else does too, right?


 

 

This isn't a single reviewer, or even a minority saying these things.  Zone chat was full of players less than happy with the starter experience, and people have not been shy of expressing these feelings on both this forum and others. You are free to disagree, but you are just naïve if you think you are in the majority. That is why I was saying 'most' and not 'all' players.


 

Your the one who is naive if you think this website or any other whether a review is positive or negative reflects the thoughts and feelings of all gamers.  If that was the case WoW would have closed long ago and GW2 would be the god of all mmo's.  I'm willing to bet there are far more people who think the starter areas are just fine and don't feel a need to tell the world about it.  I'm sure most don't even know this site exists.  Those people make up the majority and that is what Zenimax should be concerned with.

I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  Rattenmann

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Joined: 12/08/05
Posts: 369

2/14/14 6:58:35 AM#52

How about they simply fix the borderline broken Newbie experience and everyone is happy?

 

Sure, the paywall means people will try to force themselves to enjoy it and will probably get past level 10,... but that is still bad buisiness.

MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.

Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?

  jdlamson75

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Joined: 12/27/08
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There's some lovely filth down here.

2/14/14 7:00:01 AM#53
Originally posted by Zaradoom

That conversation describes it pretty well.

 

I did try to get off the isle and hit around level 10. Only managed midway and lvl 5 tho,... really it is so god damn boring and awful (and i keep hearing that is only the start). I just did not manage to force myself trough.

Really hope i can bypass this barrier and get into the game next beta to experience the change first hand. Bashing the game is easy, as it feels like crap... but enough people talk about this tutorial isle / level 10 thing that i want to reach it and see myself. Would not be the first game to suddenly become good later on.

 

For the records tho: What the hell did the betatesters do up to this point if the VERY START is so ugly that it is turning away people before the game gets a real chance? Seriously.

I had fun at the VERY START.  Either way...with all this clamoring about end game, why do people care what the game is like in the VERY START?  You play it for a short period, then it's completely forgotten.  Rather have it the other way around, would you?  Holy Shit Balls Ass Awesome to start off, then the novelty wears off, and it's blah to max level?

  DKLond

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 580

2/14/14 7:00:07 AM#54
Originally posted by srsnoob

Let us examine this issue of people being upset because a product they like is getting bad press.

There are two sides to this coin. One is the press and one is the consumer. Press is defined loosely here; anyone who was given permission by zenimax to speak about their experiences is considered as press. Now since there is such a wide breadth of people considered as press and no official standard set for game journalists in general, the consumers receive many viewpoints, in many formats, in varying degrees of depth and objectivity. But what is objectivity? Wikipedia tells use that objectivity in journalism equivocates to neutrality, meaning to put aside all personal interests and preconceptions. Complete objectivity would mean for the journalists to present their views as if they had never played a game before. This is quite impractical and probably impossible. Rather what game journalists may do is describe their feelings and impressions towards the game in an manner such that consumers who are interested those types of games will be able to understand and relate to. But what matters most is for the journalist to be honest in their views, no matter the level of intelligence with which they are expressed. So what happened here is that some journalists liked the game, others thought it was okay and a few did not like it so much. Although you may disagree with the viewpoint or the manner is which the report was conducted, as long as the journalist was honest in their explanation of how the report was conducted and in their assessment, then there is really nothing wrong with it.

Now let's examine the consumer. The consumer is mad because their future baby won't get the love and attention it deserves! LOL

Are you trying to say that you caring so much about what other people care about is somehow a more worthy endeavor?

  Stuka1000

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Joined: 8/20/03
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2/14/14 7:03:15 AM#55
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Gdemami

Just shows how unprofessional gaming magazine staff is and why their "reviews" are so worthless.

This is a hilarious post.

If a 'professional' finds the starting area to be awful, wouldn't it be 'unprofessional' to NOT say 'the part I played is awful'?

Whether the rest of the MMO is good or not is irrelevant as they are 'NDA' and thus, we would expect 'professional' to abide by that.

What is unproffesional is entering the game, attempting to blast through in a linear fashion without looking right or left and then writing a review that says the game is crap.  These people influence the buying decisions of the people who read their reviews and as such have a responsibility to examine all there is to see within the timeframe allowed.  I stated in another post that reading many of those so called previews it sounded like the reviewer had gone into the game and tried to play it like they would play WoW, and that means that they missed the point entirely.

  Seelinnikoi

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2/14/14 7:07:28 AM#56

TESO saying about the "new player experience" is a very familiar concept...

Hmmm... I wonder when was the last time I heard those words...

Ah! Star Wars Galaxy!

 

  srsnoob

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2/14/14 7:09:05 AM#57
Originally posted by DKLond
Originally posted by srsnoob

Let us examine this issue of people being upset because a product they like is getting bad press.

There are two sides to this coin. One is the press and one is the consumer. Press is defined loosely here; anyone who was given permission by zenimax to speak about their experiences is considered as press. Now since there is such a wide breadth of people considered as press and no official standard set for game journalists in general, the consumers receive many viewpoints, in many formats, in varying degrees of depth and objectivity. But what is objectivity? Wikipedia tells use that objectivity in journalism equivocates to neutrality, meaning to put aside all personal interests and preconceptions. Complete objectivity would mean for the journalists to present their views as if they had never played a game before. This is quite impractical and probably impossible. Rather what game journalists may do is describe their feelings and impressions towards the game in an manner such that consumers who are interested those types of games will be able to understand and relate to. But what matters most is for the journalist to be honest in their views, no matter the level of intelligence with which they are expressed. So what happened here is that some journalists liked the game, others thought it was okay and a few did not like it so much. Although you may disagree with the viewpoint or the manner is which the report was conducted, as long as the journalist was honest in their explanation of how the report was conducted and in their assessment, then there is really nothing wrong with it.

Now let's examine the consumer. The consumer is mad because their future baby won't get the love and attention it deserves! LOL

Are you trying to say that you caring so much about what other people care about is somehow a more worthy endeavor?

More like I'm just curious why. And I also like to pretend like I'm intelligent sometimes. It's fun. 

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  DKLond

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2/14/14 7:18:01 AM#58
Originally posted by srsnoob
Originally posted by DKLond
Originally posted by srsnoob

Let us examine this issue of people being upset because a product they like is getting bad press.

There are two sides to this coin. One is the press and one is the consumer. Press is defined loosely here; anyone who was given permission by zenimax to speak about their experiences is considered as press. Now since there is such a wide breadth of people considered as press and no official standard set for game journalists in general, the consumers receive many viewpoints, in many formats, in varying degrees of depth and objectivity. But what is objectivity? Wikipedia tells use that objectivity in journalism equivocates to neutrality, meaning to put aside all personal interests and preconceptions. Complete objectivity would mean for the journalists to present their views as if they had never played a game before. This is quite impractical and probably impossible. Rather what game journalists may do is describe their feelings and impressions towards the game in an manner such that consumers who are interested those types of games will be able to understand and relate to. But what matters most is for the journalist to be honest in their views, no matter the level of intelligence with which they are expressed. So what happened here is that some journalists liked the game, others thought it was okay and a few did not like it so much. Although you may disagree with the viewpoint or the manner is which the report was conducted, as long as the journalist was honest in their explanation of how the report was conducted and in their assessment, then there is really nothing wrong with it.

Now let's examine the consumer. The consumer is mad because their future baby won't get the love and attention it deserves! LOL

Are you trying to say that you caring so much about what other people care about is somehow a more worthy endeavor?

More like I'm just curious why. And I also like to pretend like I'm intelligent sometimes. It's fun. 

 

Ok, it's pretty simple.

Some of us like what we're seeing with ESO. We would like it to be a big hit so that developers will keep adding content - because more subscribers mean more money for development.

Now, when we see previews that we consider misleading and with what seems like obvious ignorance, or worse, bias - we're witnessing something that could potentially dissuade people from trying ESO and giving it a proper chance.

That means these previews have the potential to hurt the game that we like - and may even grow to like a LOT.

So, we're speaking out against it - hoping that some people might pick up on our comments and give the game the chance we feel it deserves.

Is that something you can understand?

  srsnoob

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Joined: 1/17/14
Posts: 44

2/14/14 7:20:52 AM#59
Originally posted by DKLond
Originally posted by srsnoob
Originally posted by DKLond
Originally posted by srsnoob

Let us examine this issue of people being upset because a product they like is getting bad press.

There are two sides to this coin. One is the press and one is the consumer. Press is defined loosely here; anyone who was given permission by zenimax to speak about their experiences is considered as press. Now since there is such a wide breadth of people considered as press and no official standard set for game journalists in general, the consumers receive many viewpoints, in many formats, in varying degrees of depth and objectivity. But what is objectivity? Wikipedia tells use that objectivity in journalism equivocates to neutrality, meaning to put aside all personal interests and preconceptions. Complete objectivity would mean for the journalists to present their views as if they had never played a game before. This is quite impractical and probably impossible. Rather what game journalists may do is describe their feelings and impressions towards the game in an manner such that consumers who are interested those types of games will be able to understand and relate to. But what matters most is for the journalist to be honest in their views, no matter the level of intelligence with which they are expressed. So what happened here is that some journalists liked the game, others thought it was okay and a few did not like it so much. Although you may disagree with the viewpoint or the manner is which the report was conducted, as long as the journalist was honest in their explanation of how the report was conducted and in their assessment, then there is really nothing wrong with it.

Now let's examine the consumer. The consumer is mad because their future baby won't get the love and attention it deserves! LOL

Are you trying to say that you caring so much about what other people care about is somehow a more worthy endeavor?

More like I'm just curious why. And I also like to pretend like I'm intelligent sometimes. It's fun. 

 

Ok, it's pretty simple.

Some of us like what we're seeing with ESO. We would like it to be a big hit so that developers will keep adding content - because more subscribers mean more money for development.

Now, when we see previews that we consider misleading and with what seems like obvious ignorance, or worse, bias - we're witnessing something that could potentially dissuade people from trying ESO and giving it a proper chance.

That means these previews have the potential to hurt the game that we like - and may even grow to like a LOT.

So, we're speaking out against it - hoping that some people might pick up on our comments and give the game the chance we feel it deserves.

Is that something you can understand?

Yes actually. Now next time if you gave examples of reports you thought were misleading and explain why, it would be even better. But that's good enough for me for now. Good luck.

  DKLond

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 580

2/14/14 7:22:57 AM#60
Originally posted by srsnoob
Originally posted by DKLond
Originally posted by srsnoob
Originally posted by DKLond
Originally posted by srsnoob

Let us examine this issue of people being upset because a product they like is getting bad press.

There are two sides to this coin. One is the press and one is the consumer. Press is defined loosely here; anyone who was given permission by zenimax to speak about their experiences is considered as press. Now since there is such a wide breadth of people considered as press and no official standard set for game journalists in general, the consumers receive many viewpoints, in many formats, in varying degrees of depth and objectivity. But what is objectivity? Wikipedia tells use that objectivity in journalism equivocates to neutrality, meaning to put aside all personal interests and preconceptions. Complete objectivity would mean for the journalists to present their views as if they had never played a game before. This is quite impractical and probably impossible. Rather what game journalists may do is describe their feelings and impressions towards the game in an manner such that consumers who are interested those types of games will be able to understand and relate to. But what matters most is for the journalist to be honest in their views, no matter the level of intelligence with which they are expressed. So what happened here is that some journalists liked the game, others thought it was okay and a few did not like it so much. Although you may disagree with the viewpoint or the manner is which the report was conducted, as long as the journalist was honest in their explanation of how the report was conducted and in their assessment, then there is really nothing wrong with it.

Now let's examine the consumer. The consumer is mad because their future baby won't get the love and attention it deserves! LOL

Are you trying to say that you caring so much about what other people care about is somehow a more worthy endeavor?

More like I'm just curious why. And I also like to pretend like I'm intelligent sometimes. It's fun. 

 

Ok, it's pretty simple.

Some of us like what we're seeing with ESO. We would like it to be a big hit so that developers will keep adding content - because more subscribers mean more money for development.

Now, when we see previews that we consider misleading and with what seems like obvious ignorance, or worse, bias - we're witnessing something that could potentially dissuade people from trying ESO and giving it a proper chance.

That means these previews have the potential to hurt the game that we like - and may even grow to like a LOT.

So, we're speaking out against it - hoping that some people might pick up on our comments and give the game the chance we feel it deserves.

Is that something you can understand?

Yes actually. Now next time if you gave examples of reports you thought were misleading and explain why, it would be even better. But that's good enough for me for now. Good luck.

Thank you.

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