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  Kamosabe

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OP  2/13/14 6:45:46 PM#1

"Stealth is available to everyone, but it isn’t as deep as Skyrim. Press control to crouch and you enter sneak mode, which allows you to bypass camps of enemies and complete quests without violence if you’re good at it. It’s based on line of sight rather than dynamic light levels, so sneaking about requires a bit of planning."

http://www.pcgamer.com/previews/the-elder-scrolls-online-hands-on-first-person-mode-skills-stealth-and-more/

in short: all players can stealth. when you crouch, while out of line of sight, you become invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. and will be great for small scale PvP. It's not only Zerg or Die. With Stealth a whole group can effectively sneak behind enemy borders, and the map is huge. Stealth is not only for the "thief" class. every class can utilize it and it even requires finesse to use it effectively.

  Heavy-armor-warrior

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Hey is for horses and so is grass. So pucker up and kiss my...well nvm

2/13/14 6:53:40 PM#2
Originally posted by kamosabe

"Stealth is available to everyone, but it isn’t as deep as Skyrim. Press control to crouch and you enter sneak mode, which allows you to bypass camps of enemies and complete quests without violence if you’re good at it. It’s based on line of sight rather than dynamic light levels, so sneaking about requires a bit of planning."

http://www.pcgamer.com/previews/the-elder-scrolls-online-hands-on-first-person-mode-skills-stealth-and-more/

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. and will be great for small scale PvP. It's not only Zerg or Die. With Stealth a whole group can effectively sneak behind enemy borders, and the map is huge. Stealth is not only for the "thief" class. every class can utilize it and it even requires finesse to use it effectively.

Its a wonderful thing.

  Latronus

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2/13/14 6:54:54 PM#3
Originally posted by kamosabe

"Stealth is available to everyone, but it isn’t as deep as Skyrim. Press control to crouch and you enter sneak mode, which allows you to bypass camps of enemies and complete quests without violence if you’re good at it. It’s based on line of sight rather than dynamic light levels, so sneaking about requires a bit of planning."

http://www.pcgamer.com/previews/the-elder-scrolls-online-hands-on-first-person-mode-skills-stealth-and-more/

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. and will be great for small scale PvP. It's not only Zerg or Die. With Stealth a whole group can effectively sneak behind enemy borders, and the map is huge. Stealth is not only for the "thief" class. every class can utilize it and it even requires finesse to use it effectively.

I doubt it will be that easy.  Note line of sight, but you are probably very accurate when you said it requires finesse to use it.  I haven't done any PVP yet but it is a lot more realistic than other games I've played when it comes to PVE anyway.

  rygard49

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2/13/14 6:58:39 PM#4
It also goes off your endurance resource. As long as you're moving your endurance drains, and when you stop it begins to regen again, making it prohibitive to do over long distances unless you're very patient.
  Jyiiga

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2/13/14 7:07:50 PM#5
Anyone with the Mage's Guild skill line can also have Magelight on their hotbar, Magelight grants you a larger detection range. As a trade off though, that is one less offensive/defensive skill on your bar. You will most likely see it carried by a single person in a larger group as a support/utility spell.
  Iselin

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2/13/14 7:14:26 PM#6
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Anyone with the Mage's Guild skill line can also have Magelight on their hotbar, Magelight grants you a larger detection range. As a trade off though, that is one less offensive/defensive skill on your bar. You will most likely see it carried by a single person in a larger group as a support/utility spell.

Oh yeah? There are also Nightblade skills that makes your undetectable range also larger... so take that mages! :)

  Kamosabe

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OP  2/13/14 7:20:37 PM#7
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Anyone with the Mage's Guild skill line can also have Magelight on their hotbar, Magelight grants you a larger detection range. As a trade off though, that is one less offensive/defensive skill on your bar. You will most likely see it carried by a single person in a larger group as a support/utility spell.

And this is a good thing. Stealth should be balanced by having counters and drawbacks.

It was less about the offensive power, but the utility for avoiding enemy Zergs or big groups. Very useful for single players or small groups to survive far aways from the Zerg, to complete smaller objective than keeps on their own.

  Jyiiga

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2/13/14 7:27:03 PM#8
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Anyone with the Mage's Guild skill line can also have Magelight on their hotbar, Magelight grants you a larger detection range. As a trade off though, that is one less offensive/defensive skill on your bar. You will most likely see it carried by a single person in a larger group as a support/utility spell.

Oh yeah? There are also Nightblade skills that makes your undetectable range also larger... so take that mages! :)

Although I could be wrong, I believe the Nightblade skills are invisibility instead of sneak. Which is entirely different and very short duration.

On the other hand, medium armor has some passives for sneak.

  xerri

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Joined: 12/25/13
Posts: 30

2/13/14 7:32:19 PM#9
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by kamosabe

"Stealth is available to everyone, but it isn’t as deep as Skyrim. Press control to crouch and you enter sneak mode, which allows you to bypass camps of enemies and complete quests without violence if you’re good at it. It’s based on line of sight rather than dynamic light levels, so sneaking about requires a bit of planning."

http://www.pcgamer.com/previews/the-elder-scrolls-online-hands-on-first-person-mode-skills-stealth-and-more/

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. and will be great for small scale PvP. It's not only Zerg or Die. With Stealth a whole group can effectively sneak behind enemy borders, and the map is huge. Stealth is not only for the "thief" class. every class can utilize it and it even requires finesse to use it effectively.

I doubt it will be that easy.  Note line of sight, but you are probably very accurate when you said it requires finesse to use it.  I haven't done any PVP yet but it is a lot more realistic than other games I've played when it comes to PVE anyway.

Dunno but I used it to get past a crap ton of Aldameri as I got back into defend Aesllin Keep  as  a Templar I was glad "everyone" has a stealth they can try  sure helped there

  ElRenmazuo

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2/13/14 7:34:43 PM#10
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Anyone with the Mage's Guild skill line can also have Magelight on their hotbar, Magelight grants you a larger detection range. As a trade off though, that is one less offensive/defensive skill on your bar. You will most likely see it carried by a single person in a larger group as a support/utility spell.

Oh yeah? There are also Nightblade skills that makes your undetectable range also larger... so take that mages! :)

Although I could be wrong, I believe the Nightblade skills are invisibility instead of sneak. Which is entirely different and very short duration.

On the other hand, medium armor has some passives for sneak.

its like 2.5 seconds lol

  Iselin

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2/13/14 7:34:47 PM#11
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Anyone with the Mage's Guild skill line can also have Magelight on their hotbar, Magelight grants you a larger detection range. As a trade off though, that is one less offensive/defensive skill on your bar. You will most likely see it carried by a single person in a larger group as a support/utility spell.

Oh yeah? There are also Nightblade skills that makes your undetectable range also larger... so take that mages! :)

Although I could be wrong, I believe the Nightblade skills are invisibility instead of sneak. Which is entirely different and very short duration.

On the other hand, medium armor has some passives for sneak.

Right you are. I was actually thinking of the Medium Armor passive, "Improved Sneak" that reduces the cost and decreases the detection area per piece of medium worn. Wood Elf also has an additional + Stealth passive.

  BayonetRecon

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2/13/14 7:40:03 PM#12
So ambushes might actually work? More than attempting to hide behind a rock or inside of foliage and hope that they don't see you?
  Heavy-armor-warrior

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Hey is for horses and so is grass. So pucker up and kiss my...well nvm

2/13/14 7:42:40 PM#13
Originally posted by BayonetRecon
So ambushes might actually work? More than attempting to hide behind a rock or inside of foliage and hope that they don't see you?

Well NDA NDA NDA NDA NDA.

 

But in short, yes.

  MyBoot

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2/13/14 7:50:26 PM#14
Originally posted by kamosabe

 

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. 

This is how Most MMO's do stealth, it's no different from say WoW, Rift or SWTOR version of stealth.  Only difference is the graphic that they use to show stealth on your screen but the systems behind it are still the same, there all line of sight based 

 

 

  deakon

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2/13/14 7:53:24 PM#15
Originally posted by MyBoot
Originally posted by kamosabe

 

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. 

This is how Most MMO's do stealth, it's no different from say WoW, Rift or SWTOR version of stealth.  Only difference is the graphic that they use to show stealth on your screen but the systems behind it are still the same, there all line of sight based 

 

 

 

The difference is that everyone can do it, not just certain classes

  MyBoot

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2/13/14 7:57:07 PM#16
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by MyBoot
Originally posted by kamosabe

 

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. 

This is how Most MMO's do stealth, it's no different from say WoW, Rift or SWTOR version of stealth.  Only difference is the graphic that they use to show stealth on your screen but the systems behind it are still the same, there all line of sight based 

 

 

 

The difference is that everyone can do it, not just certain classes

Yes i understand that 

  DMKano

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2/13/14 7:57:17 PM#17
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by MyBoot
Originally posted by kamosabe

 

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. 

This is how Most MMO's do stealth, it's no different from say WoW, Rift or SWTOR version of stealth.  Only difference is the graphic that they use to show stealth on your screen but the systems behind it are still the same, there all line of sight based 

 

 

 

The difference is that everyone can do it, not just certain classes

So same as in AoC. Everyone can stealth in that game too.

  xerri

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Joined: 12/25/13
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2/13/14 8:11:21 PM#18
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by MyBoot
Originally posted by kamosabe

 

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. 

This is how Most MMO's do stealth, it's no different from say WoW, Rift or SWTOR version of stealth.  Only difference is the graphic that they use to show stealth on your screen but the systems behind it are still the same, there all line of sight based 

 

 

 

The difference is that everyone can do it, not just certain classes

So same as in AoC. Everyone can stealth in that game too.

Yep Id liken it to AOC style

  MyBoot

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2/13/14 8:24:32 PM#19
Originally posted by xerri
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by MyBoot
Originally posted by kamosabe

 

in short: when you crouch, you're invisible to enemy players, until they're close enough to detect you.

Imho, this is genius. 

This is how Most MMO's do stealth, it's no different from say WoW, Rift or SWTOR version of stealth.  Only difference is the graphic that they use to show stealth on your screen but the systems behind it are still the same, there all line of sight based 

 

 

 

The difference is that everyone can do it, not just certain classes

So same as in AoC. Everyone can stealth in that game too.

Yep Id liken it to AOC style

AoC used light with it's stealth were ESO is not going down that path, Light effected stealth adds a whole new bunch of issues 

  Kamosabe

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OP  2/13/14 8:26:26 PM#20

Didnt play AoC, but wasnt that one with open PvP, like free for all.

In ESO, PvP is faction based with three realms like Daoc, on one huge pvp map with keeps and stuff.

 

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