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News & Features Discussion  » Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen: "We Are NOT Giving Up On KickStarter By Any Means"

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  Ice-Queen

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"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

2/13/14 7:32:10 AM#21

It sure does look like they've given up. Even their own backers were admitting how poorly it had been ran, how little interaction Brad and team had with their backers, the tiers a shamble, and a trickle of information about the game, it's been a pathetic mess.

Brad was unprepared with the Kickstarter, it shows badly, and looks to have been spending time on their website to get funds coming in after the Kickstarter fails. The way the Kickstarter has been ran I'm not surprised people don't have any faith in them with another mmorpg. I was hoping they'd pick themselves up, dust off, after the first few weeks of utter disappointment in the project. People didn't back the project and Brad and team just showed why their caution was needed during this Kickstarter.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  Zajjar

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2/13/14 8:13:17 AM#22

Give them some slack, ATLEAST THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE a game that we actually wana play, instead it being another procrastination game

 

  SBFord

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OP  2/13/14 8:18:33 AM#23
It's hard to call 1/3 of a million dollars plus a "failure". I still have high hopes for seeing Pantheon come to fruition. :)

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  Ice-Queen

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"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

2/13/14 8:27:02 AM#24
Originally posted by Zajjar

Give them some slack, ATLEAST THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE a game that we actually wana play, instead it being another procrastination game

 

The idea of the game itself I would like, but it still doesn't take away from the fact it was a poorly ran Kickstarter, and very disappointing. I'd like nothing more than more old school mmorpg's being made, but not if it means backing people that can't even run a Kickstarter campaign. Just doesn't give much hope. I do hope they end up getting it made, but I have no faith in the team leading it atm, hope they change my mind.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
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  Fearum

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2/13/14 8:29:09 AM#25

He pretty much has been saying this from the start though so its not a shocker. When they launched the kickstarter it seemed as if he was going to make the game one way or another so I didn't feel the need to back it because I didn't see a reason too. If the game gets made in the future I might check it out, but with the bare bones feature list they had listed the game did not really pull me in.

Wish them luck and may check it out in 3-4 years if he gets some funding behind him.

  Storm_Cloud

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2/13/14 8:34:49 AM#26
Originally posted by SBFord
It's hard to call 1/3 of a million dollars plus a "failure". I still have high hopes for seeing Pantheon come to fruition. :)

Me too!!!

There's a ridiculous amount of nay-sayers. I'm one of the 1000 who got in for $45. I get alpha, beta and the digital copy of the game + goodies. The rest of them will come crawling, begging for a alpha/beta invite once the game reaches that point. They are gonna regret sitting on that fence 2-3 years back. (today) :)

 

  Fenrir767

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2/13/14 9:19:51 AM#27
I won't be one the KS shows me nothing to prove its worth investing in!
  Tierless

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joie de vivre

2/13/14 9:45:31 AM#28

This type of response is why I didn't invest. This isn't the time to look concerned. Having researched KS games they see a boom, then a trickle, then a boom. Now is the time to talk confidently and inform the potential backers as to why the game is worth throwing their cash at, not ask for a rich savior. If anything I would lay out a strat like the Repopulation. I would say "were not worried we just overestimated out initial goal, if we don't get this we plan to do a new KS with a 250k goal, if that is reached we will continue to take smaller bites through several KS's rather than trying the one big bite. As our momentum gathers I'm confident we will eventually hit our original goal, it will just takes a bit more time and effort to achieve it." I mean, 400k is no small chunk, I'd say that proves people want this game, but many of them might need to see a bit more progress first.

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  Tierless

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joie de vivre

2/13/14 9:52:10 AM#29
One more thing, considering his past him asking to sell some of his studio is probably terrifying to his workers, his backers, and anyone that was thinking of backing. I'd issue a clean up asap and announce a plan of attack going forward before people start to worry and over react. The internet is a place full of over reaction. Every new old school MMO is a good thing. I'd hate to see this one lose it's established following at this junction. 

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  Nephaerius

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2/13/14 10:45:52 AM#30
This dude is sad. He should just give it up because clearly the demand for the type of game that he's talking about is simply not there

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  Shoju

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2/13/14 11:23:59 AM#31
Originally posted by Storm_Cloud

I get alpha, beta and the digital copy of the game + goodies. The rest of them will come crawling, begging for a alpha/beta invite once the game reaches that point.  

The way the KS is going it is never going to reach that point.  So all your 'goodies' are pretty much non-existent.  I seriously doubt that some miracle investor is going to swoop and and save the day.  The way the whole KS campaign has been handled should be enough to turn any serious investor away.

At least with the KS people's money is safe if it doesn't fund.  Nobody looses.  But if VR go ahead with plans for a 'donation' scam.....er, I mean scheme on their website, post-KS, then people can kiss their money goodbye.  Brad & Co. will be spending those $$ as soon as they roll in on an extension to his garage as the VR team will need a cheap place to work/sleep.

  saker

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2/13/14 11:28:14 AM#32
Originally posted by Saerain
Originally posted by Nitth

WTF. pisses me off that companies with the means to "reach out to investors" goes and looks for handouts FIRST.

Investors have interests that tend to run counter to the players'.

"Investors" have interests that run counter to PEOPLE'S interests, long past time PEOPLE wake up and realize this. The investing-class and the working-class have nothing in common.

  Storm_Cloud

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2/13/14 12:48:10 PM#33
Originally posted by Shoju
Originally posted by Storm_Cloud

There's a ridiculous amount of nay-sayers. I'm one of the 1000 who got in for $45. I get alpha, beta and the digital copy of the game + goodies. The rest of them will come crawling, begging for a alpha/beta invite once the game reaches that point. They are gonna regret sitting on that fence 2-3 years back. (today) :)

The way the KS is going it is never going to reach that point.  So all your 'goodies' are pretty much non-existent.  I seriously doubt that some miracle investor is going to swoop and and save the day.  The way the whole KS campaign has been handled should be enough to turn any serious investor away.

At least with the KS people's money is safe if it doesn't fund.  Nobody looses.  But if VR go ahead with plans for a 'donation' scam.....er, I mean scheme on their website, post-KS, then people can kiss their money goodbye.  Brad & Co. will be spending those $$ as soon as they roll in on an extension to his garage as the VR team will need a cheap place to work/sleep.

Wow!

With all that anger and so little trust it seems that your issues with Brad and CO are very personal. I won't ask.

For me, I had trust issues with this project as well because of what I've read regarding the final outcome with Vanguard before SOE took over. But, I went with the one thing that I believe almost everybody deserves, a second chance. After all, Brad and CO is at 2-0 with me. I loved both Everquest and Vanguard, so if he wants to make a 3rd game, regardless of the past with Vanguard the guy deserves a second chance and after watching the videos on the kickstarter site, then he definitely deserve a second chance, without a single doubt.

  Razeekster

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2/13/14 2:27:37 PM#34

My issue with this project is the amazing lack of details about the game. That and things like crafting and PvP aren't even covered by the money they are asking for, but are in bonus pledges... That doesn't particularly sit well with me.

 

Also the lack of interaction that I have witnessed with the people that have donated to the Kickstarter doesn't exactly make me want to throw my hard earned cash at the game. It makes me think that Brad and his company don't care about their potential players, and that definitely doesn't make me want to back this game.

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  Shoju

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2/13/14 4:29:29 PM#35
Originally posted by Razeekster

My issue with this project is the amazing lack of details about the game. 

That's because there is no game to give details about.  The KS was set up to fund the set up of the company; VR staff have even said that the 800k will be used to rent office space, pay wages, acquire hardware, hire more staff etc..  Game development was clearly going to come second with whatever cash was left over....or until a new KS campaign begging for more money is launched.

  Shoju

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2/13/14 4:33:48 PM#36
Originally posted by Storm_Cloud
I went with the one thing that I believe almost everybody deserves, a second chance. 

Vanguard was Brad's second chance.

And what did he do with that chance? He chose the easy way out, sold the game and took the money and ran, leaving his employees in the parking lot.

  GeezerGamer

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2/13/14 5:14:31 PM#37
Originally posted by Nitth

WTF. pisses me off that companies with the means to "reach out to investors" goes and looks for handouts FIRST.

It's not that bad of an idea though. The more money you have before you approach investors, the more likely they will be to sign on board. Especially if there is a significant source from Crown Funding. It shows there is a viable market for the project. Of course the flip side is that if you fail through kick starter, it looks really bad.

That said, There's no way I'll ever contribute through crowd funding. It's a gamble.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Storm_Cloud

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2/13/14 5:30:53 PM#38
Originally posted by Shoju
Originally posted by Storm_Cloud
I went with the one thing that I believe almost everybody deserves, a second chance. 

Vanguard was Brad's second chance.

And what did he do with that chance? He chose the easy way out, sold the game and took the money and ran, leaving his employees in the parking lot.

LOL!

How does that become his second chance? If you fail, you get a second chance and Everquest was a super huge success, not a failure. Vanguard on the other hand in a lot of views was a failure, therefor I said I am giving him a second chance with this new project. To me, Vanguard was a success because I enjoyed it very much but to try and help others to make a choice that consider Vanguard a failure, this for them would be his second chance and almost everyone deserve one.

  ozmono

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2/13/14 5:42:57 PM#39
Originally posted by SBFord
It's hard to call 1/3 of a million dollars plus a "failure". I still have high hopes for seeing Pantheon come to fruition. :)

Unless they reach the target goal, they don't get a cent from the kickstarter. It is a failure.

  Marcus-

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2/13/14 5:51:47 PM#40
Originally posted by SBFord
It's hard to call 1/3 of a million dollars plus a "failure". I still have high hopes for seeing Pantheon come to fruition. :)

 

 

I think one of the more surprising things for me is not the money, but the amount of backers. I believe they are still under 3k with 8 (?) days left.

 

I haven't backed, but I honestly thought this type of game would attract a lot more attention even with the criticism so far.

 

but heres to hoping they do well 

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