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  Uhwop

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2/11/14 7:19:26 AM#121

Sounds a lot more like, 

because you enjoy the game, any alternative opinion to yours is BS.  

Well not really "sounds", its literally what you wrote.  

  laokoko

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2/11/14 7:23:35 AM#122

I was like that.

A few years ago this AAA mmorpg came out, and all hype, I was like... this going to be the next wow.  But turned out to be big disappointment.

And repeat that process 3 more times, you start learning.

  nerovipus32

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2/11/14 7:27:54 AM#123
I agree OP, mmorpg.com gave warhammer online, age of conan and swtor all glowing reviews. These are probably the 3 biggest disappointments in mmo history.  warhammer online was so good that it is now closed down and the other two  are now f2p.
  Husvik

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Having fun who cares.

2/11/14 7:29:07 AM#124
Originally posted by laokoko

I was like that.

A few years ago this AAA mmorpg came out, and all hype, I was like... this going to be the next wow.  But turned out to be big disappointment.

And repeat that process 3 more times, you start learning.

Nailed it.

  Geriden

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2/11/14 7:30:04 AM#125

Its most likely more to do with the ip being enjoyed by so many people, and then when you make a mmo based around it people expect a quality game that will live up to what they expect from an elder scrolls title, granted people have different tastes in games, and everyone enjoys different things about an elder scrolls title. For me this just isnt an elder scrolls game at all, its like some cheap made in china knock of version, but clearly for some it is.

 

So its a love it or hate it title. Hence all this back and forth between people and reviewers who played it.

  Uhwop

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2/11/14 7:33:16 AM#126
Originally posted by nerovipus32
I agree OP, mmorpg.com gave warhammer online, age of conan and swtor all glowing reviews. These are probably the 3 biggest disappointments in mmo history.  warhammer online was so good that it is now closed down and the other two  are now f2p.

And then pretty much everything they've written about ESO, with the exception of the piece on an alternative opinion, have been really positive here. 

 

Strange how this site gets lumped in with the negativety and they've been one of the most forgiving and positive sites to cover the game. 

  Husvik

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2/11/14 7:37:45 AM#127
Originally posted by Uhwop

Sounds a lot more like, 

because you enjoy the game, any alternative opinion to yours is BS.  

Well not really "sounds", its literally what you wrote.  

Part of this is reading about how f'in amazing it is, the greatest mmo evar, anyone with any past and modern mmo experience knows it's the novelty of the starting zones talking and in a few months these people will be off to a new shinny, and yes i'm 100% guilty of this too.

  gervaise1

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2/11/14 7:48:21 AM#128
Originally posted by psiic

I have see so called press lie their asses off about a piece of shit game to get us to buy it, but this is the first time I've seen press lying their asses off about a great game to try and get us not to buy it.

 

Frankly I think it is time for game devs to start re-evaluating who truly deserves to be considered press.

 

I think Angry Joe really states the real issue here. The ENTITLED mentality. 

 

Basically he states...

If ESO was a FREE game with this awesome engine, fantastic combat, superior graphics, and huge huge world, this would be the BEST game EVER!!

But because it's not FREE it sucks....

 

This whole entitled mentality that has become so prevalent  really pisses me off.

 

ESO is costing them a rather sizable investment, to provide a quality staff, and NOT to pink slip the whole dev team right after launch like EVERY F2P game has done costs money.

If you do not like it then go play one of the 100's of F2P games that you are bored with in two weeks, or raising hell because they have no support staff and you have to wait weeks to get an email answered.

Tons of us are excited over ESO and even more excited to be getting back to a sub based model so we do not have to put up with gold spammers, botters, hackers, chat spamming idiots, and entitled kiddies.

 

Yep. Considered press. What they are reviewing the game against.

And what they are reviewing the game against is a subscription based mmo. And the bulk of them are coming up with - I wouldn't call them bad reviews but simply so-so reviews. As you say Angry Joe said it would be great as a F2P game.

So basically AJs problem - and maybe some of the other reviewers as well - is the payment method. Now you talk about an entitled mentality. Well I think people should pay for games but they should also get what they pay for.

Zenimax - like lots of devs before them - are saying the sub is to provide new content. Yet it won't work out that way. The sub will hurt initial sales big time - no one expects TESO to sell tens of millions. Yet because of the investment it probably needs to sell high millions at least and then more still to make a profit.  

Pick your own numbers. If the game cost $150M and they make $30 from every sale that means they need 5M sales just to recover the cost. Ouch. Yes the base game costs c. $60 but in most countries 20% of that is tax and then there are retail or online costs e.g. Amazon's share, Visa / Paypal etc. Pick your own numbers but they need big sales. And a sub hurts sales. 

And when it doesn't sell 5M+ - because of the sub - what happens? Pink slips as you say. Your posts are probably helping to doom the long term future of the game. It will survive for sure with a loyal fanbase but not as it should.

The alternative. Doesn't have to be F2P. B2P + regular DLC. And if they don't have the DLC drops on day 1 reduce the size of the base game. cut 50% and simply sell a huge game rather than a gigantic one; sell the rest as 4 or 5 DLC drops at $15 or whatever. Doubles the price of the game in essence!

The history of all recent sub-based launches - going back years now - have ended with devs being moved. Maybe to a different game or given a pink slip. 

And if it was B2P I think the reviews would be much more positive. And Skyrim like sales would be possible.

  Thebrave246

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2/11/14 7:50:46 AM#129

Well let me say "Suspicious" of the negative reviews? It's people being honest for once. Not like the IGN-paid off reviewers. I, for instance, did not particulary especially enjoy the ESO Beta really, I don't think it really brought anything new or interesting to the table and it is kind of mind-boggling to me that ESO does not have any dragons. I know it is not the right time period or whatever but still, there is a damn Dragon Night class for god sakes too. Skyrim was all about dragons... Anyways that's just a gripe of mine. I also think people have been saying wow, you can equip whatever you want now and can basically build whatever you want but in reality there is still equipment that is better then the next piece and it is not really a reality in that aspect. I don't think the small amount of classes is enough honestly, even with the amount of flexibility with equipment and all of that stuff. A HUGE gripe with me is the not knowing about end-game PvE content, I  mean really?, a game I am going to sub to and there is no end-game raiding or really anything I've heard about it? C'mon already...

 

Basically I am going to sub to a game that takes hours to level to like level 10, basically getting a dumbed down Skyrim with less graphics, NO PvE end-game raiding at launch or atleast nothing that I heard about yet, PvP that sounds like something out of SWTOR (Ilum), and I don't think this will concept of Elder Scrolls Online will work because of something that "Angry Joe" referenced in his review of this game stating something like "Elder Scrolls Online is just a dumbed down Skyrim with Friends". If you want a good Elder Scrolls game with Lore and adventure play Skyrim! I just think MMO players will want to level and traditionally story is not really a huge concern in MMOs. I am definitely more of an MMORPG player then Elder Scrolls player and I know that story means something but this game is trying to make it really all about that. That concept tried to work also in SWTOR, but really didn't do a great job and the story was more then the game was worth, I hope ESO doesn't make a similar mistake here.

  botrytis

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2/11/14 7:54:29 AM#130

If you like ESO - great.

 

That said, it is NOT the 2nd coming of anything. It is a console game that they have a port for the PC with. The MOBS look terrible, what were they thinking? They spent so much time with the environment and it's looks but nothing looks 3D it is very unidimensional. Also, they spent tons of money on voice acting, John Cleese, Michael Gambon, etc. and nothing on the combat. The toons for the players look awful too and the way they look running, riding, etc is laughable.

 

If they want me to play this game, they need to make it B2P as this game has as much depth as a mud puddle.

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  BadSpock

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2/11/14 8:00:51 AM#131

Could be that *GASP* many of the reviewers are long-time game players, including the single player TES titles, and long-time MMO gamers, and they actually don't like what they see.

Or, the first 10-15 levels are just as boring and uninspired as the previews make them seem to be, which despite how much "better" the rest of the game MIGHT be, according to NDA breakers mind you, is a horrible, horrible design decision by Zenimax.

 

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  simon155

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2/11/14 8:01:22 AM#132

That's your opinion, as you've said.

 

As I've said, I disagree, and have a great deal of first hand evidence that many others disagree too. The game rocks ;o)

All it comes down to now is long term appeal and how much it grows.

  Seelinnikoi

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2/11/14 8:01:27 AM#133

Only had to play the Beta weekend to know the crap that game is. No review necessary.

You should try it too.

PS: Roll an archer archetype and shoot arrows while near enemies, watch the arrows go where your aim is not. Magically bending to lock to the enemies and hit them...

Love that "deep" combat.

  Uhwop

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2/11/14 8:02:55 AM#134
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

Only had to play the Beta weekend to know the crap that game is. No review necessary.

You should try it too.

PS: Roll an archer archetype and shoot arrows while near enemies, watch the arrows go where your aim is not. Magically bending to lock to the enemies and hit them...

Love that "deep" combat.

But, but, you can dodge!!!

  simon155

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2/11/14 8:06:25 AM#135
Originally posted by BadSpock

Could be that *GASP* many of the reviewers are long-time game players, including the single player TES titles, and long-time MMO gamers, and they actually don't like what they see.

Or, the first 10-15 levels are just as boring and uninspired as the previews make them seem to be, which despite how much "better" the rest of the game MIGHT be, according to NDA breakers mind you, is a horrible, horrible design decision by Zenimax.

 

That's kinda inaccurate too. As someone who has played through the single player titles myself, but also played MMOs such as WoW and many others, I know the difference between Single Player games and MMOs. This certainly is an elder scrolls game, but it's also an MMO. I'd say exactly as it says on the box.

I love it. Lots of other people love it. In fact the vast majority I've spoken to love it. It just seems those who don't love it are over represented on these threads.

 

That said I guess it's all good - It's like the Simon Cowell effect.  The more talked about it is, the more people will check it out themselves. It was the same when I first heard of WoW - I saw it mentioned in a negative way on a thread. Looked into it and loved it. Stuck with it for a good few years until they destroyed it catering too heavily for the elitists. Those days are long gone though lol.

  nytkin

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2/11/14 8:06:37 AM#136

You're on to something here, and I totally agree with you.

I've been playing MMOs, every MMO I can get my gamer-addict hands on, since Everquest, Acheron's Call, and Ultima Online.

I can honestly say that I was thoroughly pleased with and immersed into ESO from the first hour of play on Friday night, during  my first foray into the Beta test.

I agree that ESO much more engaging and pleasing to play than AoC, Rift, DDO, Lotro, and many other MMOs that have come out since the Everquest days.

I was thoroughly impressed with every aspect of the game, and will definitely play it when it releases. I look forward to playing in all the factions, and plan to level several characters up to try out the various classes and races.

/lute

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  Soki123

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2/11/14 8:08:10 AM#137
Nothing to be suspicious about, it s a lousy game.
  Mackaveli44

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2/11/14 8:13:53 AM#138
All I can say is play the game till about 10 and than it seems to come into its own.  At first your on a starter island so you can expect much from it till past that.  Around 10, is around when it comes into its own and takes off.  Ignore the reviews and form your own... And, all I can say about Cyrodiil(the pvp grounds) is that is the word Epic doesnt do it justice.  It is far beyond epic, amazing, fantastic, insanely fun....
  funyahns

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2/11/14 8:18:38 AM#139
Originally posted by WikileaksEU

Bad reviewers have played too much World of Warcraft. They are also comparing ESO with Skyrim, which is fucking stupid, as Skyrim is purely single player and ESO is an mmorpg. Big difference in both software and hardware.

 

Edit: Gamers today are spoiled and need a good slap in the face. Such a hard slap to the face they fly away across the room and into the wall behind them and leave a mark there.

 So you disagree with people who don't like the game and think physical assault is what is needed to put them in place?  Most of the negativity I have heard has nothing to do with WoW and everything to do with dullness in  game.  If they didn't want a comparison to Skyrim they shouldn't have used the IP.

  jpaprocki

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2/11/14 8:21:12 AM#140

For one, don't let this site or any other decide for you what to like or dislike.  The few on forums who cry the loudest are also the minority and it will always be this way.  The success or failure of a game isn't decided on a forum, it's decided by the majority of the folks who don't bother posting on here or any other forum.

If your wondering if you should spend your money on it?  Wait for a trial or ask a friend whom you know in person and has actually played the game at length after release.  These are just opinions on here, just like mine and you know what they say about opinions.

I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

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