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  cpupower

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2/06/14 11:44:31 PM#121
Originally posted by Otakun
Anyone who believes that ESO wasn't going to sell well and do well in the first couple months is kidding themselves. The game will sell and bring in subs on name alone. Most people I know plan to play the game even though they have problems with it since there is nothing out right now to distract them from it. Most likely most people will play ESO till Wildstar then there will be sub drops for people interested in that game and the others will just sit on ESO till something else pops up to take their interest away. 

Wilstar is not fun. I'm a beta tester, and I don't even play it any more because its actually boring. I have been to 2 ESO beta's and I can't wait for the next ESO beta, because its just so much fun. To say that people will play ESO till Wildstar comes out, is a stretch. Before I got into the Wildstar beta I didn't have any interest in ESO because I'm a big WoW fan and I thought Wildstar would be the logical choice for me, but I was wrong. Wildstar is nothing compared to WoW in fun factor. On the other hand ESO is actually more fun than WoW. So people don't over estimate Wildstar.And don't under estimate ESO.

  GuyClinch

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2/06/14 11:46:55 PM#122

"Funny last I checked B2P, and F2P worked just fine. So reducing costs works. Which means your statement is false."

Thats not costs - thats the revenue model. <g> You might consider attending class once in a while..

Costs are like paying the programmers, the servers, advertising etc.

  Siveria

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2/06/14 11:55:32 PM#123
ESO will be another SWTOR, tons of box sales via fanboys, but a ghost town by the 2nd or 3rd month due to it just being a bad game. Whichis kinda sad considering eso is actually a bit diffrent than most mmorpgs these days. I myself found it boring.

Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  erinys

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2/07/14 12:09:24 AM#124
i preordered the imperial edition also andam very happy that i did so.
  therdre

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2/07/14 12:24:29 AM#125
Green Man Gaming had a 25% off coupon so I got the Imperial Edition for the same price as standard thats what sold it for me
  Brabbit1987

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2/07/14 1:23:34 AM#126
Originally posted by GuyClinch

"Funny last I checked B2P, and F2P worked just fine. So reducing costs works. Which means your statement is false."

Thats not costs - thats the revenue model. You might consider attending class once in a while..

Costs are like paying the programmers, the servers, advertising etc.

rofl ... omg. Cost as in price of the game ...XD. Reducing the price of the game I meant. Jeez ... people lol. *shakes head and laughs*

Semantics. You would think you would know what I meant by that since I am talking about B2P and F2P. I will admit, I should have worded it differently .. but still.

"So the only option is raising price, which we see in micro transactions of all sorts, but they generally haven't touched box prices or subs."

I was talking about that statement. You can reduce the cost of the game instead of raising it.

 

Also .. I suggest you look up the word cost in the dictionary , it doesn't specifically pertain to "paying the programmers, the servers, advertising etc."

In which case it seems you need to go attend classes as well lol.

  amber-r

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2/07/14 3:29:18 AM#127
Originally posted by Siveria
ESO will be another SWTOR, tons of box sales via fanboys, but a ghost town by the 2nd or 3rd month due to it just being a bad game. Whichis kinda sad considering eso is actually a bit diffrent than most mmorpgs these days. I myself found it boring.

 

They can hope for the success of SWTOR.  I know it's seen as a failure but in honesty it's doing very well.

 

SWTOR started with nearly 2 million subscribers, starting to lose them around the 8-9 month mark.  However since going f2p with the optional subscription they have been making large sums on money.  Their cash shop makes around 189million per year alone (not counting the money their optional subscribers bring in).

 

If that's failure I doubt many would want to not be one.

  GuyClinch

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2/07/14 4:38:32 AM#128
It will do better then SWTOR. Skyrim sold nearly 20 million copies worldwide. You get a free month so people will buy this.. The only question is will be it be 3 million , 5 million 10 million - I have no idea. It depends how good the game is.
  GuyClinch

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2/07/14 4:48:43 AM#129

"Also .. I suggest you look up the word cost in the dictionary , it doesn't specifically pertain to "paying the programmers, the servers, advertising etc."

Please. No one says reducing the COST of  your products is reducing the companies COSTS.  Its reducing/changing their revenue. Nice try to cover your own foolishness. You are not tricking anyone.  Just own up to your mistake..

F2P are annoying anyway. A bunch of immersion killing pay to play mechanics get thrown into the game. Why you think this is a winner for ESO is beyond me. Wait for EQ:N made by SOE. Those guys know failing business models.

  BeansnBread

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2/07/14 4:57:51 AM#130
Originally posted by GuyClinch

"Also .. I suggest you look up the word cost in the dictionary , it doesn't specifically pertain to "paying the programmers, the servers, advertising etc."

Please. No one says reducing the COST of  your products is reducing the companies COSTS.  Its reducing/changing their revenue. Nice try to cover your own foolishness. You are not tricking anyone.  Just own up to your mistake..

F2P are annoying anyway. A bunch of immersion killing pay to play mechanics get thrown into the game. Why you think this is a winner for ESO is beyond me. Wait for EQ:N made by SOE. Those guys know failing business models.

I agree in a way. Putting the Imperial race in a cash shop is immersion killing. At least to me.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 645

2/07/14 6:48:52 AM#131
Originally posted by GuyClinch

"Also .. I suggest you look up the word cost in the dictionary , it doesn't specifically pertain to "paying the programmers, the servers, advertising etc."

Please. No one says reducing the COST of  your products is reducing the companies COSTS.  Its reducing/changing their revenue. Nice try to cover your own foolishness. You are not tricking anyone.  Just own up to your mistake..

F2P are annoying anyway. A bunch of immersion killing pay to play mechanics get thrown into the game. Why you think this is a winner for ESO is beyond me. Wait for EQ:N made by SOE. Those guys know failing business models.

Ok. . well you honestly lost me now. You very obviously entirely misunderstood me or something. I am moving on. You are a waste of my time and I will just get banned if I continue. -.-

Just keep in mind i wasn't talking about costs as in the amount it costs them. I was talking about the cost of the product. You can say I am trying to cover my own foolishness, but im not, and just because you say it... doesn't make it true.

 

"F2P are annoying anyway. A bunch of immersion killing pay to play mechanics get thrown into the game. Why you think this is a winner for ESO is beyond me. Wait for EQ:N made by SOE. Those guys know failing business models."

Specifically this part. What are you even talking about O.o? Winner for ESO? What? As I said .. you lost me. I am against what Zenimax is doing, So why would I think it is a winner for ESO?

Edit: You should probably go back and reread everything I have said thus far, because as of now, we are on entirely separate pages. In which case, I believe you are the one being foolish here.

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
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2/07/14 6:56:27 AM#132
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by GuyClinch

"Also .. I suggest you look up the word cost in the dictionary , it doesn't specifically pertain to "paying the programmers, the servers, advertising etc."

Please. No one says reducing the COST of  your products is reducing the companies COSTS.  Its reducing/changing their revenue. Nice try to cover your own foolishness. You are not tricking anyone.  Just own up to your mistake..

F2P are annoying anyway. A bunch of immersion killing pay to play mechanics get thrown into the game. Why you think this is a winner for ESO is beyond me. Wait for EQ:N made by SOE. Those guys know failing business models.

I agree in a way. Putting the Imperial race in a cash shop is immersion killing. At least to me.

Imperial race honestly should have come standard. It's dumb that they decided to put it behind a pay gate. I entirely agree with you, it's immersion killing.

Though I prefer F2P games because at least then you expect that crap .. and it's free upfront. What Zenimax is doing, is double dipping.

We would already be paying $60 + $15 per month. Why the hell should we need to pay even more for something that the initial price and monthly fee should cover.

  Deddmeat

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Joined: 5/20/10
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Not sure how I got K.A.E.S last PvP was CoD and UO lol

2/07/14 6:58:15 AM#133

AO is a mixed F2P / Sub game and the sub for that is higher than AoC, WoW etc but people still pay it, hell I have both an account I sub and a froob account. Not fond of higher sub but when I feel like playing a Keeper in AO I resub, generally on a year offer if I can.

So while higher priced subs aren't great, people still pay em

  Brabbit1987

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2/07/14 7:07:04 AM#134
Originally posted by Deddmeat

AO is a mixed F2P / Sub game and the sub for that is higher than AoC, WoW etc but people still pay it, hell I have both an account I sub and a froob account. Not fond of higher sub but when I feel like playing a Keeper in AO I resub, generally on a year offer if I can.

So while higher priced subs aren't great, people still pay em

Which is exactly the problem. If you are paying $60 for a game, then on top you have to pay $15 per month, that is too expensive to me. However, that is hardly the issue. I knew long ago ESO was having the sub model. What ticks me off is now they put a race that is meant to be part the Elder Scrolls series behind a pay gate. So they want even MORE money.

They should have just said the box price for the game is $80 instead of $60. At least then they would have been more honest.

Edit: Why people are willing to continue to pay these prices is beyond me. This is why I love steam sales. Valve knows how to do it best. :3

  Madimorga

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2/07/14 8:02:26 AM#135
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Deddmeat

AO is a mixed F2P / Sub game and the sub for that is higher than AoC, WoW etc but people still pay it, hell I have both an account I sub and a froob account. Not fond of higher sub but when I feel like playing a Keeper in AO I resub, generally on a year offer if I can.

So while higher priced subs aren't great, people still pay em

They should have just said the box price for the game is $80 instead of $60. At least then they would have been more honest.

 

I was thinking this, too, especially since my brain calculates the pricing as, "I don't want it if I can't have the whole experience, therefore game price = $80 or I wait to buy until the price comes down."

 

But some people are mad about no faction race lock.  They'd probably be even angrier if the game released flat out lock-free.  Maybe they were trying to make everyone happy and scoop some frugal people in with the $60.  Seems to me they've managed to irritate a lot of people instead.  Proof is in the pudding.  Will the game be good enough to lure in more than the 'gotta-have-the-new-shiny-right-now' crowd and keep players around awhile?

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  Deddmeat

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Not sure how I got K.A.E.S last PvP was CoD and UO lol

2/07/14 8:18:57 AM#136


Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Originally posted by Deddmeat AO is a mixed F2P / Sub game and the sub for that is higher than AoC, WoW etc but people still pay it, hell I have both an account I sub and a froob account. Not fond of higher sub but when I feel like playing a Keeper in AO I resub, generally on a year offer if I can. So while higher priced subs aren't great, people still pay em
Which is exactly the problem. If you are paying $60 for a game, then on top you have to pay $15 per month, that is too expensive to me. However, that is hardly the issue. I knew long ago ESO was having the sub model. What ticks me off is now they put a race that is meant to be part the Elder Scrolls series behind a pay gate. So they want even MORE money.

They should have just said the box price for the game is $80 instead of $60. At least then they would have been more honest.

Edit: Why people are willing to continue to pay these prices is beyond me. This is why I love steam sales. Valve knows how to do it best. :3


The 'paygate' that people mention is in multiple games already .. Maybe not in exactly the same way but it's still a 'paygate' if you want to play them. So I can see where they got the idea from and surprised how no-one seems to have noticed the amount we have already

AO to play Keeper or Shade you have to sub
DDO certain races, classes via sub or store or expansion
SWTOR as above
CO as above

Just about every F2P mmo will have a 'paygate' restricting class and or race unless you sub or use their store. The only difference here being there's no F2P side, I'm guessing they decided that didn't matter and went the TSW route .. That started with decent benefits if you got the grandmasters pack, the best thing they thought they could give being the Race etc. that's all guessing tho

Hopefully the game will fare better than TSW

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

2/07/14 8:34:16 AM#137
Originally posted by keithian

http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/03/the-elder-scrolls-online-imperial-edition-is-selling-5-times-better-than-the-standard-according-to-online-retailer/

In fact the physical edition sold out in Australia. See article that follows.

http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/3409713/the-elder-scrolls-online-physical-imperial-edition-sells-out-within-two-days

Well of course it would sell well,nobody wants to feel left out on ANY game content,that is why it was a VERY lame gimmick by the developer to get more money.I would never support a dev like that,reminds me of SOE and cannot be trusted into the future either.

So what happens after all those that forked over an unheard of amount on entry fee ,get in game and find out there is more desirable cash shop,spend more and keep spending?

You enter a game with this kind of hidden costs and you enter at own risk and with hands handcuffed,no idea what is around each corner every day.

I learned the very hard way years ago playing a 2d war game.I spent ,then i spent,then i felt i needed to keep spending or lose what i already invested.Then after spending far too much i realized i made a huge mistake even entering that game,i won't make that  mistake again.

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  Brabbit1987

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2/07/14 8:35:00 AM#138
Originally posted by Deddmeat

 


Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Originally posted by Deddmeat AO is a mixed F2P / Sub game and the sub for that is higher than AoC, WoW etc but people still pay it, hell I have both an account I sub and a froob account. Not fond of higher sub but when I feel like playing a Keeper in AO I resub, generally on a year offer if I can. So while higher priced subs aren't great, people still pay em
Which is exactly the problem. If you are paying $60 for a game, then on top you have to pay $15 per month, that is too expensive to me. However, that is hardly the issue. I knew long ago ESO was having the sub model. What ticks me off is now they put a race that is meant to be part the Elder Scrolls series behind a pay gate. So they want even MORE money.

 

They should have just said the box price for the game is $80 instead of $60. At least then they would have been more honest.

Edit: Why people are willing to continue to pay these prices is beyond me. This is why I love steam sales. Valve knows how to do it best. :3


 

The 'paygate' that people mention is in multiple games already .. Maybe not in exactly the same way but it's still a 'paygate' if you want to play them. So I can see where they got the idea from and surprised how no-one seems to have noticed the amount we have already

AO to play Keeper or Shade you have to sub
DDO certain races, classes via sub or store or expansion
SWTOR as above
CO as above

Just about every F2P mmo will have a 'paygate' restricting class and or race unless you sub or use their store. The only difference here being there's no F2P side, I'm guessing they decided that didn't matter and went the TSW route .. That started with decent benefits if you got the grandmasters pack, the best thing they thought they could give being the Race etc. that's all guessing tho

Hopefully the game will fare better than TSW

That is the issue though. Games that are F2P have a reason to do things like this. A game of which you are paying a box price on top of a sub, should not use such tactics. Also, a main difference is this is elder scrolls. When you use an IP, you expect certain things. Such as imperials to be a playable race for the base price. The have always been part of the series. To put a paygate on something that has always been part of the series is ridiculous. 

Expansions are ok to add a new race. It's new content. Not usually standard content.

Last, I honestly couldn't care less about those other games. Not interested in them. In any case, if they do it too, they are just as wrong. It's not like my opinion would change just because a few other games do the same thing XD.

  bcbully

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2/07/14 8:42:33 AM#139
Originally posted by ThomasN7
It will sell well for the first 3 months but after that my prediction is people will come to their senses and realize how it isn't anything special for the long term. Good for 2-3 months and people will want to look elsewhere. At least that is my opinion.

I can see 3-4 months out the box AvA all day type of thing. Hopefully 4. When tired of that log into something else. 

 

There is potential to last longer than that, but we know what devs have made of that word recently... 

 

I've predicted 5 mill easy the first month.

  Entris38

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2/07/14 8:47:41 AM#140
I'm not really concerned how well it's doing. I purchased the Digital Imperial Edition. I'm sure people like to argue about things, well, just to argue something. If I see something, and I think it's worth it to me, then I buy it.
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