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  Dranean

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2/05/14 6:26:10 AM#21
Originally posted by coventryhagdog

I think for any consumer who isn't naive, they've just killed any chances of getting a preorder from them.

 

How little confidence do you have to have in your product that you're unwilling to let people advertise it and perhaps use them as free marketing less than two months before release? 

 

I mean look at Age of Conan: that game had little content, but the devs were smart enough to restrict the maximum level so you got the best experience possible. They GOT NEARLY 1 MILLION PREORDERS/SALES DUE TO IT and that IP WASN'T HALF AS BIG AS ES.

If this game sells 1 million (in preorders assuming there is no open beta), I will very much be surprised and saddened that there are still people who will throw their money at anything.

 

They are doing more harm to their game than they realize and I sincerely hope that the marketing people at ZO are fired.

 

Edit: purchasing, not purcashing.. damn it I can't edit it now... great

For some reason I have the feeling that you didn't receive a BETA invite and that you are angry about it. Another thing I notice is that you jump into defense mode quite fast while it’s not necessary...

Have fun in this weekend’s BETA, and as someone already mentioned.. I hope that you will be surprisingly amused

The community is what makes the game better, I don't feel that ESO in its current state would impact the ESO community in such a way what could cause a decrease in the amount of pre-orders.

  Dreamo84

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I actually still like MMORPGs

2/05/14 7:10:52 AM#22
Modern MMO players are so spoiled by the amount of information and even open betas prior to release. You know how many single player/console games I bought over the years with almost no information? Granted, those are becoming more open with information now than they used to be. But MMO players seem to be spoiled in this regard.

  WolfClaws

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2/05/14 7:17:11 AM#23

FYI, I am blocking the OP.  42 posts and he has been nothing but negative for the month he has been having an account with mmorpg (probably his second or third).  He is a cancer and is now on block. 

 

It is ok to have a discussion, but you are looking to get a rise out of everyone and develop conflict and drama.

  nerovipus32

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2/05/14 7:20:03 AM#24
You'd swear that NDA's were something new in software development the way people are going on.
  collekt

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2/05/14 7:25:56 AM#25
Originally posted by nerovipus32
You'd swear that NDA's were something new in software development the way people are going on.

Seriously.. yet another NDA qq thread. Maybe we should make 5 more of these just to make sure everyone knows that a few of you are upset about something that's pretty common place in the gaming market. Even your poll shows that most people don't care. Can we please quit making these threads now?

  Dauzqul

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2/05/14 7:28:20 AM#26

 

This is most likely going to be a medieval swtor. Good for those that like it; bad for those that don't

  Jyiiga

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2/05/14 7:30:48 AM#27
They are pretty much letting everyone in this beta phase. Past beta peeps and 500,000+ new keys. If you want to try it you can. The NDA is less of an issue now, cause everyone can have first hand experience if they wish.
  Dalanon

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Posts: 115

2/05/14 7:31:02 AM#28
I dont understand why people think they can bully zenimax into lifting the nda by saying the game sux if they dont. If you dont want to buy the game then dont buy it. Or if you want to wait until you can get more info on the game, wait until an official review from a gaming site you trust comes out. I do think the nda will be lifted before launch but even if it isnt the way people have trolled this game from day one i think has created that. People really like elder scrolls and everyone has an idea of how they want the game to be. Problem is your talking millions of people and lots of ideas. If you dont like what youve seen and read of the game so far just wait.

Not all who wander are lost...

  neum

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2/05/14 7:35:39 AM#29
I just took a quick glance but OP has been registered less then a month and all posts are ESO related.   I did not read all the posts but I can guess what they are about.    /Thread

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  Fusion

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2/05/14 7:36:34 AM#30

pre-purchases, pre-orders and NDA aside, i bet it'll still be worth the 50$ ish price tag once it launches if you compare time spent, like most MMO's have been thus far. People just expect way too much of games that have the MMO-label in them.

They expect to get 500$ worth of content for a fraction of the cost.

 

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  Reklaw

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2/05/14 7:38:44 AM#31
Originally posted by coventryhagdog
Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
 

Elder Scrolls is the first game with an NDA in place.

 

[mod edit]

 

To be honost when I look forward to a game and have no means to get into some form of beta or demo I rather read as little info as possible untill I get the possibility to experiance that game myself.

However when I am in a beta and the game is still one on my wishlist then most often I try to play a race/class I am not really interested in so that when I actually start play instead of testing the game at release hopefully much will be a different experiance yet already with some knowledge about the game's basics.

People applaud SOE for releasing their NDA, yet people already could have bought those packs nearly 3 months ago and at that time they really didn't have anything apart from some tech demo's. Let's see what happens with that NDA lift after a few weeks, hopefully it doesn't backfire on them (SOE)

 

 

  baphamet

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2/05/14 7:41:22 AM#32

generally speaking, if you are so concerned about the game before pre-ordering it, get a key from curse and play the beta yourself.

other than that, this is just yet another whine about ESO thread.

  Joejc7135

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Posts: 205

2/05/14 7:51:08 AM#33

The NDA matters alot in this game...why? Because you get an entire race and a social/grouping feature for pre-ordering...The fact they are trying to sell the most expensive CE possible while at the same time restricting information on the game to those not in the beta is dissapointing for me. And in regards to the age of conan example...I think that's a bad example...if you remember even though they had no NDA they restricted people to the full voiced and fleshed out starting area. Once you got out of that the rest of the game was totally devoid of content...that's even worse then holding an NDA till release if you ask me.

  Grakulen

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2/05/14 7:52:07 AM#34
Originally posted by coventryhagdog

I think for any consumer who isn't naive, they've just killed any chances of getting a preorder from them.

 

How little confidence do you have to have in your product that you're unwilling to let people advertise it and perhaps use them as free marketing less than two months before release? 

 

I mean look at Age of Conan: that game had little content, but the devs were smart enough to restrict the maximum level so you got the best experience possible. They GOT NEARLY 1 MILLION PREORDERS/SALES DUE TO IT and that IP WASN'T HALF AS BIG AS ES.

If this game sells 1 million (in preorders assuming there is no open beta), I will very much be surprised and saddened that there are still people who will throw their money at anything.

 

If it ONLY sells 1 million I'll be amazed. This game is going to move more boxes than any game in a long time because people that just care about Elder Scrolls and don't give a thought about it being a MMO are going to gobble this up. Keep in mind only a small percentage of MMO players come to forums and talk about these games. 

Also keep in mind that Final Fantasy XIV: ARR was under NDA through open beta up until the release. Even after release they tried to enforce embargos on the press. The reason why? They didn't want people ruining the story. It's not always as nefarious as you think.

Just about everyone who wants is going to be able to make it into this beta with the half million keys they are giving out through a media site alone. Get in the game an make an informed decision. After you try it for free if you think it sucks don't play it. I wouldn't blame you. Best part is you get to find out if you like it on your terms and for free.

 

 

  baphamet

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2/05/14 7:55:44 AM#35


Originally posted by Joejc7135
The NDA matters alot in this game...why? Because you get an entire race and a social/grouping feature for pre-ordering...The fact they are trying to sell the most expensive CE possible while at the same time restricting information on the game to those not in the beta is dissapointing for me.

so play the game this weekend and then pre-order if you want to? i don't see the issue at this point.


  cura

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Joined: 7/24/04
Posts: 867

2/05/14 7:57:46 AM#36
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by coventryhagdog

I think for any consumer who isn't naive, they've just killed any chances of getting a preorder from them.

 

How little confidence do you have to have in your product that you're unwilling to let people advertise it and perhaps use them as free marketing less than two months before release? 

 

I mean look at Age of Conan: that game had little content, but the devs were smart enough to restrict the maximum level so you got the best experience possible. They GOT NEARLY 1 MILLION PREORDERS/SALES DUE TO IT and that IP WASN'T HALF AS BIG AS ES.

If this game sells 1 million (in preorders assuming there is no open beta), I will very much be surprised and saddened that there are still people who will throw their money at anything.

 

If it ONLY sells 1 million I'll be amazed. This game is going to move more boxes than any game in a long time because people that just care about Elder Scrolls and don't give a thought about it being a MMO are going to gobble this up. Keep in mind only a small percentage of MMO players come to forums and talk about these games. 

Also keep in mind that Final Fantasy XIV: ARR was under NDA through open beta up until the release. Even after release they tried to enforce embargos on the press. The reason why? They didn't want people ruining the story. It's not always as nefarious as you think.

Just about everyone who wants is going to be able to make it into this beta with the half million keys they are giving out through a media site alone. Get in the game an make an informed decision. After you try it for free if you think it sucks don't play it. I wouldn't blame you. Best part is you get to find out if you like it on your terms and for free.

 

 

Ruining story, good one hahaha. Im sure its what they said though.

  baphamet

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Joined: 7/05/06
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110100100

2/05/14 7:58:09 AM#37


Originally posted by Grakulen

Originally posted by coventryhagdog I think for any consumer who isn't naive, they've just killed any chances of getting a preorder from them.   How little confidence do you have to have in your product that you're unwilling to let people advertise it and perhaps use them as free marketing less than two months before release?    I mean look at Age of Conan: that game had little content, but the devs were smart enough to restrict the maximum level so you got the best experience possible. They GOT NEARLY 1 MILLION PREORDERS/SALES DUE TO IT and that IP WASN'T HALF AS BIG AS ES. If this game sells 1 million (in preorders assuming there is no open beta), I will very much be surprised and saddened that there are still people who will throw their money at anything.  
If it ONLY sells 1 million I'll be amazed. This game is going to move more boxes than any game in a long time because people that just care about Elder Scrolls and don't give a thought about it being a MMO are going to gobble this up. Keep in mind only a small percentage of MMO players come to forums and talk about these games. 

Also keep in mind that Final Fantasy XIV: ARR was under NDA through open beta up until the release. Even after release they tried to enforce embargos on the press. The reason why? They didn't want people ruining the story. It's not always as nefarious as you think.

Just about everyone who wants is going to be able to make it into this beta with the half million keys they are giving out through a media site alone. Get in the game an make an informed decision. After you try it for free if you think it sucks don't play it. I wouldn't blame you. Best part is you get to find out if you like it on your terms and for free.

 

 


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  deakon

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2/05/14 8:03:06 AM#38

They are inviting more people this weekend than most games have subs

 

I really doubt the NDA has anything to do with them being concerned about people having foreknowledge of their game, if they were they wouldn't be inviting close to a million (maybe more) to beta

  Grakulen

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2/05/14 8:06:36 AM#39
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by coventryhagdog

 

 

 

Ruining story, good one hahaha. Im sure its what they said though.

We never landed on the moon either. It was all done on a Hollywood sound stage.

  Vonatar

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2/05/14 8:12:12 AM#40

NDA means I can't talk to others about the game, or read their reviews and opinions. It does not prevent me from doing something totally insane like....making up my own mind.

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