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  JJ82

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1/29/14 2:54:57 PM#21
SWTOR should not be on this list, that 139 million is from SWTOR and TWO FIFA games, not just SWTOR. FIFA Online was credited in EAs report as making he MOST of the three so its doubtful that SWTOR made more than 70 million.

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  CazNeerg

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1/29/14 3:16:12 PM#22
Originally posted by JJ82
SWTOR should not be on this list, that 139 million is from SWTOR and TWO FIFA games, not just SWTOR. FIFA Online was credited in EAs report as making he MOST of the three so its doubtful that SWTOR made more than 70 million.

Citation?

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  Konfess

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1/29/14 8:26:19 PM#23

What is my take away from this article?  

SWTOR $139 million

Eve Online $70 to $75 million

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  jbombard

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1/30/14 12:38:43 AM#24
Top 10 what?  Top 10 sales?  Top 10 gross profit margin % would be more interesting.   Top 10 customer satisfaction % rated by players would be even more interesting than that. A cross scatter with GPM% on one axis and customer satisfaction % on the other would be even more interesting.  Sales doesn't tell us a lot.  If you are operating inefficiently you can have a lot of sales and still be in the red, while a small group of people with far less sales(but also less overhead) operating efficiently can be extremely profitable.  If I was asked which one was the more successful company I would say the later.
  catlana

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1/30/14 2:48:58 PM#25
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by JJ82
SWTOR should not be on this list, that 139 million is from SWTOR and TWO FIFA games, not just SWTOR. FIFA Online was credited in EAs report as making he MOST of the three so its doubtful that SWTOR made more than 70 million.

Citation?

He can not cite because he is wrong. If you want to read EA earnings report go to http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/2911265146x0x701115/ae249d1a-3e9e-48fe-b6b4-ddd979f230d0/Q2FY14_EarningsSlides.pdf

EA's extra content which is what we are discussing was $127 million for the quarter and $713 million for the trailing 12 months. The SWToR being $139 million for the trailing 12 months makes up a little less than 19.5%. We just did not know the percentage before. The revenue is easily there to cover the number.

The subscription number was $62 million for the EA's second quarter with $393 million for the trailing 12 months. What percentage is SWToR is what we do not know. 

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/30/14 3:22:34 PM#26
Originally posted by catlana
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by JJ82
SWTOR should not be on this list, that 139 million is from SWTOR and TWO FIFA games, not just SWTOR. FIFA Online was credited in EAs report as making he MOST of the three so its doubtful that SWTOR made more than 70 million.

Citation?

He can not cite because he is wrong. If you want to read EA earnings report go to http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/2911265146x0x701115/ae249d1a-3e9e-48fe-b6b4-ddd979f230d0/Q2FY14_EarningsSlides.pdf

EA's extra content which is what we are discussing was $127 million for the quarter and $713 million for the trailing 12 months. The SWToR being $139 million for the trailing 12 months makes up a little less than 19.5%. We just did not know the percentage before. The revenue is easily there to cover the number.

The subscription number was $62 million for the EA's second quarter with $393 million for the trailing 12 months. What percentage is SWToR is what we do not know. 

Yeah, he finally gave me the citation in another thread, then conveniently stopped responding to my posts.

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Through power, I gain victory.
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  DamonVile

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1/30/14 3:31:43 PM#27
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by catlana
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by JJ82
SWTOR should not be on this list, that 139 million is from SWTOR and TWO FIFA games, not just SWTOR. FIFA Online was credited in EAs report as making he MOST of the three so its doubtful that SWTOR made more than 70 million.

Citation?

He can not cite because he is wrong. If you want to read EA earnings report go to http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/2911265146x0x701115/ae249d1a-3e9e-48fe-b6b4-ddd979f230d0/Q2FY14_EarningsSlides.pdf

EA's extra content which is what we are discussing was $127 million for the quarter and $713 million for the trailing 12 months. The SWToR being $139 million for the trailing 12 months makes up a little less than 19.5%. We just did not know the percentage before. The revenue is easily there to cover the number.

The subscription number was $62 million for the EA's second quarter with $393 million for the trailing 12 months. What percentage is SWToR is what we do not know. 

Yeah, he finally gave me the citation in another thread, then conveniently stopped responding to my posts.

You can't really win an argument on a forum though. If you're wrong in one thread you can always just start up again in another. If you can't be right about hating a game, you just find another one. As long as you never go back you never have to deal with people who have shown you how wrong you really are.

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/30/14 3:37:16 PM#28
Originally posted by DamonVile

You can't really win an argument on a forum though. If you're wrong in one thread you can always just start up again in another. If you can't be right about hating a game, you just find another one. As long as you never go back you never have to deal with people who have shown you how wrong you really are.

I agree.  The closest anyone ever gets to winning an internet argument is either (depending on your perspective) being restrained enough not to participate in the first place, or being the last one to give up and stop posting.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  DamonVile

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1/30/14 3:40:48 PM#29
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by DamonVile

You can't really win an argument on a forum though. If you're wrong in one thread you can always just start up again in another. If you can't be right about hating a game, you just find another one. As long as you never go back you never have to deal with people who have shown you how wrong you really are.

I agree.  The closest anyone ever gets to winning an internet argument is either (depending on your perspective) being restrained enough not to participate in the first place, or being the last one to give up and stop posting.

Funny, I consider the first guy to give up and stop posting the winner :)

  Darknessguy64

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1/30/14 3:43:45 PM#30
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by DamonVile

You can't really win an argument on a forum though. If you're wrong in one thread you can always just start up again in another. If you can't be right about hating a game, you just find another one. As long as you never go back you never have to deal with people who have shown you how wrong you really are.

I agree.  The closest anyone ever gets to winning an internet argument is either (depending on your perspective) being restrained enough not to participate in the first place, or being the last one to give up and stop posting.

Funny, I consider the first guy to give up and stop posting the winner :)

 

The winner is usually the one who got banned and their winning post was deleted because the loser reported them....

  DamonVile

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1/30/14 3:45:59 PM#31
In that case, I win a lot :)
  Vembumees

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1/31/14 6:02:18 AM#32
How did they get this info, it sounds rather off to me. Especially because just yesterday I read a Riot employer post in reddit who said that only they know the real numbers how much they earn. I assume its just a bunch of bullshit with estimates, I dont believe that League of Legends earns less than World of Warcraft or an absolutely nonamer game Cross Fire. Its a bunch of advertisement bullshit.
 
  thinktank001

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Joined: 12/13/08
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2/01/14 1:26:33 AM#33
Originally posted by Vembumees
How did they get this info, it sounds rather off to me. Especially because just yesterday I read a Riot employer post in reddit who said that only they know the real numbers how much they earn. I assume its just a bunch of bullshit with estimates, I dont believe that League of Legends earns less than World of Warcraft or an absolutely nonamer game Cross Fire. Its a bunch of advertisement bullshit.
 

 

The only 2 real figures are Maplestory and WOW.  Everything else is extrapolated data. 

  travamars

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Joined: 11/14/10
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2/01/14 1:39:45 AM#34

Funny that a few of those so called "Top ten" f2p games shut down their north american offices. Maybe f2p isn't really the way of the future. 

maybe US schools are not doing so bad in teaching math. They seem to be the only ones aware that their being nickel and dimed to death in f2p.

  Theocritus

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2/01/14 12:12:16 PM#35
The game on that list that really shocks me is Lineage.....That had to be one of thw worst piles of garbage ever....Click and point movement and combat and people will pay for that? cmon
  Yizle

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Posts: 530

2/01/14 9:18:57 PM#36
Originally posted by Darknessguy64
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by DamonVile

You can't really win an argument on a forum though. If you're wrong in one thread you can always just start up again in another. If you can't be right about hating a game, you just find another one. As long as you never go back you never have to deal with people who have shown you how wrong you really are.

I agree.  The closest anyone ever gets to winning an internet argument is either (depending on your perspective) being restrained enough not to participate in the first place, or being the last one to give up and stop posting.

Funny, I consider the first guy to give up and stop posting the winner :)

 

The winner is usually the one who got banned and their winning post was deleted because the loser reported them....

LOL I'll go with this answer.

  gervaise1

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2/03/14 1:51:35 PM#37

Extrapolated data indeed.

"A guess" based on a sample of people who supposedly provide them with all their financial game spend data (hmmm). Said numbers then being factored up to some assumed world wide number.

And no companies like EA do not break out their revenue data. An analyst even asked for more data at EAs conference call last week and was told no.

So treat the numbers as "an estimate" not as hard fact. Put them up for scrutiny. 

 

  swing848

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2/06/14 10:53:04 PM#38
Originally posted by ste2000

So the big cash cows are the Subscribers with $21 spent each versus $7 spent averagely by the F2P players.

If we take into consideration that most of the F2P games have also a Subscription option (like EQ2 and AoC) and we add the fact that the subscribers not only pay for a monthly subscription but also spend some money on the cash shops, the result is that $21 will grow while that $7 will go down sensibly.

My conclusion is that a successful Subscription MMO (or a hybrid like WoW) will always be more profitable than a pure F2P game by a long shot.

No wonder ESO and Wildstar are trying to get a slice of that market.

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 WoT makes a great deal of money in the U.S.  This FTP game is only free until about tier 6, depending upon the line of tanks you play. 

Tier 10 tanks requires you to spend real dollars, and this is so after tier 6 or so.  Starting at tier 4 the grind will be brutal [and it gets worse for every next higher tier] if you do not spend money on the game.

 

 

 

 

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