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  Iselin

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2/01/14 12:13:25 PM#321
Originally posted by gobla

Was strongly considering buying it before the Imperial edition was revealed.

Now I won't buy it as long as it has either a subscription fee or content behind a pay-wall (and yes, a race is content). It's the same reason I won't buy Diablo 3 or Sim City. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Got a subscription fee and an initial box price? Fine, but I expect to get all content for that without having to buy special editions or use a cash shop.

Have content locked behind pay-walls that I must purchase separately from the rest of the game? Cool, but I expect the game to be B2P or F2P in that case.

Choose one or the other. If you attempt to get both I won't be buying.

You sound like an investor, not a gamer. Do you ever play games for frivolous reasons...say, because you like it?

  Deathstrike2

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2/01/14 12:20:34 PM#322

Going to buy it and play it.  Don't really care about the "race behind a pay wall" crap I'm reading here.  I like MMOs, and I buy most.  This one looks fun, and I'm there until something better comes along.

Maybe all the crying about the sub fee and CEs means there'll be far fewer asshats in this game than in most.  Here's hoping!

 

  gobla

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Joined: 3/30/07
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C'est la vie.

2/01/14 12:20:49 PM#323
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by gobla

Was strongly considering buying it before the Imperial edition was revealed.

Now I won't buy it as long as it has either a subscription fee or content behind a pay-wall (and yes, a race is content). It's the same reason I won't buy Diablo 3 or Sim City. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Got a subscription fee and an initial box price? Fine, but I expect to get all content for that without having to buy special editions or use a cash shop.

Have content locked behind pay-walls that I must purchase separately from the rest of the game? Cool, but I expect the game to be B2P or F2P in that case.

Choose one or the other. If you attempt to get both I won't be buying.

You sound like an investor, not a gamer. Do you ever play games for frivolous reasons...say, because you like it?

If I was an investor I'd be all for this move, it's bound to make them a lot of money. Financially it's a sound move.

It's exactly because I play game for frivolous reasons that I simply can't support this. Because I don't like it, I don't like this sense of having to have my wallet ready at any moment to pay them more and more whenever they decide to hold more content hostage. I just want to play a game, set up a monthly subscription and just get the whole game for that.

I like Imperials. I don't like feeling forced to buy a more expensive edition to play the game the way I want to play it. So I won't buy it, because I don't like it, as frivolous as it gets.

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  lafaiel

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Joined: 12/07/05
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2/01/14 12:32:47 PM#324
Originally posted by gobla
 

If I was an investor I'd be all for this move, it's bound to make them a lot of money. Financially it's a sound move.

It's exactly because I play game for frivolous reasons that I simply can't support this. Because I don't like it, I don't like this sense of having to have my wallet ready at any moment to pay them more and more whenever they decide to hold more content hostage. I just want to play a game, set up a monthly subscription and just get the whole game for that.

I like Imperials. I don't like feeling forced to buy a more expensive edition to play the game the way I want to play it. So I won't buy it, because I don't like it, as frivolous as it gets.

This man gets it, its exactly how I feel.  When you reward these companies for this kind of behavior you can only expect more of it in the future, I'll keep my money.

  Iselin

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 5252

2/01/14 12:49:51 PM#325
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by gobla

Was strongly considering buying it before the Imperial edition was revealed.

Now I won't buy it as long as it has either a subscription fee or content behind a pay-wall (and yes, a race is content). It's the same reason I won't buy Diablo 3 or Sim City. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Got a subscription fee and an initial box price? Fine, but I expect to get all content for that without having to buy special editions or use a cash shop.

Have content locked behind pay-walls that I must purchase separately from the rest of the game? Cool, but I expect the game to be B2P or F2P in that case.

Choose one or the other. If you attempt to get both I won't be buying.

You sound like an investor, not a gamer. Do you ever play games for frivolous reasons...say, because you like it?

If I was an investor I'd be all for this move, it's bound to make them a lot of money. Financially it's a sound move.

It's exactly because I play game for frivolous reasons that I simply can't support this. Because I don't like it, I don't like this sense of having to have my wallet ready at any moment to pay them more and more whenever they decide to hold more content hostage. I just want to play a game, set up a monthly subscription and just get the whole game for that.

I like Imperials. I don't like feeling forced to buy a more expensive edition to play the game the way I want to play it. So I won't buy it, because I don't like it, as frivolous as it gets.

Oh well. I guess I'm more cynical about corporations than you. You seem to think that their behavior can be changed through our influence... ask Ralph Nader just how easy that is even when you're talking about life and death as opposed to the luxury leisure activities of the affluent...

 

I just simplify it: I enjoy spending time playing it or I don't... I save my activism for more important shit.  

  gobla

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Joined: 3/30/07
Posts: 1425

C'est la vie.

2/01/14 1:03:40 PM#326
Originally posted by Iselin

Oh well. I guess I'm more cynical about corporations than you. You seem to think that their behavior can be changed through our influence... ask Ralph Nader just how easy that is even when you're talking about life and death as opposed to the luxury leisure activities of the affluent...

 

I just simplify it: I enjoy spending time playing it or I don't... I save my activism for more important shit.  

It's not about activism. It's more about my own peace-of-mind.

I'm not looking to change them, I'm just looking to make my own life easier.

I like just playing a game without worries, I just give them a subscription fee each month and they give me content and patches. Seems like a decent and fair deal to me. And it allows me to get excited about the game without worry, if there's a preview about something awesome I know I'll be getting it without additional hassles. I just continue my subscription and I get all the cool content.

I like collector's editions that make me feel excited, that get me behind-the-scenes material, sound-tracks and stuff like that. Things that only dedicated fans would enjoy.

I don't like playing a game where I'm already worrying whether or not I can trust the publisher to just give me all the cool content they're developing for my subscription. A publisher I already know is holding some content, even if it's just  a race, back to get some extra money from me. I'd rather save myself the worry and not get invested in such a game in the first place.

I don't like collector's editions that make me feel pressured, that make me feel like I should spend additional money or I'll be losing out on the game.

So I'm not getting the game because I don't feel like Zenimax is able to provide me the gaming experience I want, one based upon a simple fair deal (subscription for content). Instead I feel like they'll try where they can to make it more complicated to get more money out of me.

I just want to play a game and give them my subscription money each month to get all the cool stuff they're developing with that money, is that too much to ask?

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  Axxar

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2/01/14 1:08:59 PM#327
Would be pretty funny to see a Nord dominant Altmeri Dominion claim Cyrodil and crown an Orc as the Altmeri Emperor.

"Tiny clown, he got wet. I was talking to a psychic and I can't sleep in the ozone. There are too many different peanuts, looking sad.

  Iselin

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 5252

2/01/14 1:28:18 PM#328
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Iselin

Oh well. I guess I'm more cynical about corporations than you. You seem to think that their behavior can be changed through our influence... ask Ralph Nader just how easy that is even when you're talking about life and death as opposed to the luxury leisure activities of the affluent...

 

I just simplify it: I enjoy spending time playing it or I don't... I save my activism for more important shit.  

It's not about activism. It's more about my own peace-of-mind.

I'm not looking to change them, I'm just looking to make my own life easier.

I like just playing a game without worries, I just give them a subscription fee each month and they give me content and patches. Seems like a decent and fair deal to me. And it allows me to get excited about the game without worry, if there's a preview about something awesome I know I'll be getting it without additional hassles. I just continue my subscription and I get all the cool content.

I like collector's editions that make me feel excited, that get me behind-the-scenes material, sound-tracks and stuff like that. Things that only dedicated fans would enjoy.

I don't like playing a game where I'm already worrying whether or not I can trust the publisher to just give me all the cool content they're developing for my subscription. A publisher I already know is holding some content, even if it's just  a race, back to get some extra money from me. I'd rather save myself the worry and not get invested in such a game in the first place.

I don't like collector's editions that make me feel pressured, that make me feel like I should spend additional money or I'll be losing out on the game.

So I'm not getting the game because I don't feel like Zenimax is able to provide me the gaming experience I want, one based upon a simple fair deal (subscription for content). Instead I feel like they'll try where they can to make it more complicated to get more money out of me.

I just want to play a game and give them my subscription money each month to get all the cool stuff they're developing with that money, is that too much to ask?

But your whole thing is based on the assumption that including the Imps is just a calculated move to sell more CEs. If the Imperials were locked to one of the three alliances and not open to be played in all 3 your guess could have some merit.

 

But the whole concept of having a race that can play in any Alliance and the ability to do that with any race if you pre-order are both controversial topics in the ESO community and have been for months. On the one hand you had the people who loved the idea of race-locked factions as in DAoC and on the other were the single player TES fans who felt their style was being cramped by this very un-TES-like design.

 

Many months ago, in this forum, I proposed a compromise: give people the ability to defect to a different alliance but limit it with either a pay-gate or an in-game difficult ordeal (and I preferred the second option.)

 

I think the CE and pre-order decisions here had a lot more to do with them finding their own compromise solution -imperfect though it may be-- than any desire to nickle and dime as many are assuming.

 

This may not be so apparent to the casual gamer who hasn't been following the development or if you focus just on the CE/Imperial thing. The "play any race anywhere" thing, which is the bigger deal of the two by far, does not cost extra. That one is gated by pre-ordering not by paying more.

 

The fact of the matter is that the Imperial thing everyone is obsessing over is a mostly meaningless and cosmetic throw-in. The Imperials are the least popular TES race and always has been. They're rather bland toe-licking pansies who get a speechcraft bonus in the single player games... woopty-frikking-do.

 

I'd be willing to bet good hard cash that the vast majority of people offended by the idea of the imperial pay-gate have never played one, had no intention of playing one, and still don't. Imperials are the winged fluffy transparent WOW horse equivalent here... and people are outraged because everyone doesn't get it for free.

  mithoss

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2/01/14 1:30:35 PM#329
i was interested in the game until i played it. for me its like the powerglove, bad , so bad
  kamiyadori

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2/01/14 1:38:55 PM#330
Not buying. After playing the last few betas and seeing no improvements on the many things I have found to be greatly flawed (Example the animations, combat). I do not see myself playing this unless every other game in the world sucks. 
  gobla

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Joined: 3/30/07
Posts: 1425

C'est la vie.

2/01/14 1:39:04 PM#331
Originally posted by Iselin

But your whole thing is based on the assumption that including the Imps is just a calculated move to sell more CEs. If the Imperials were locked to one of the three alliances and not open to be played in all 3 your guess could have some merit.

 

But the whole concept of having a race that can play in any Alliance and the ability to do that with any race if you pre-order are both controversial topics in the ESO community and have been for months. On the one hand you had the people who loved the idea of race-locked factions as in DAoC and on the other were the single player TES fans who felt their style was being cramped by this very un-TES-like design.

 

Many months ago, in this forum, I proposed a compromise: give people the ability to defect to a different alliance but limit it with either a pay-gate or an in-game difficult ordeal (and I preferred the second option.)

 

I think the CE and pre-order decisions here had a lot more to do with them finding their own compromise solution -imperfect though it may be-- than any desire to nickle and dime as many are assuming.

 

This may not be so apparent to the casual gamer who hasn't been following the development or if you focus just on the CE/Imperial thing. The "play any race anywhere" thing, which is the bigger deal of the two by far, does not cost extra. That one is gated by pre-ordering not by paying more.

 

The fact of the matter is that the Imperial thing everyone is obsessing over is a mostly meaningless and cosmetic throw-in. The Imperials are the least popular TES race and always has been. They're rather bland toe-licking pansies who get a speechcraft bonus in the single player games... woopty-frikking-do.

 

I'd be willing to bet good hard cash that the vast majority of people offended by the idea of the imperial pay-gate have never played one, had no intention of playing one, and still don't. Imperials are the winged fluffy transparent WOW horse equivalent here... and people are outraged because everyone doesn't get it for free.

It's not based on that.

It's based on a very simple quote by Matt Firor:

"We don't want players to hit monetisation fees when they're in the world.

"It's like, I go into a dungeon, if I don't have access to the dungeon it pops up a window: you don't have access to this, go buy 50 credits. We didn't want that experience. That's not an Elder Scrolls experience.

"We wanted to do monetisation outside of the game. So, if I pay for a month at a time, I have 100 per cent of the game. I don't have to worry about paying one more cent. I'll never run into a pay gate and I'll be in the world."

On that basis I was willing to become invested in this game and pay a subscription fee. But now it turns out that at character creation it pops up a window: you don't have access to this, go buy the Imperial Edition.

As for Imperials, I've always played Imperials. My Morrowind character was an Imperial Monk specialized in hand-to-hand and restoration magic. My Oblivion character was an Imperial Battle Mage specializing in Heavy Armor, Blades, Block and Conjuration. My first Skyrim Character was an Imperial Knight with Heavy Armor, One-Handed and Block. I'm about to start a second playthrough as an Imperial Nightblade specializing in Illusion, Destruction and Sneak.

I was dissapointed at first when Imperials weren't playable but as they had sound lore-reasons for that decision I was willing to live with it and try something new.

But I'm not getting in on this. Not when they first make statements that there won't be popups saying you don't have access to this and then later implement exactly that.

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  Volgore

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2/01/14 1:39:31 PM#332

Based on 997 votes at this time, i find the results VERY surprising.

Having followed similar polls in the past, "Will buy it" usually always takes the highscore on this site, no matter how bad a game is. That (so far) it is the other way around speals volumes.

  Iselin

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2/01/14 1:59:24 PM#333
Originally posted by gobla

It's not based on that.

It's based on a very simple quote by Matt Firor:

"We don't want players to hit monetisation fees when they're in the world.

"It's like, I go into a dungeon, if I don't have access to the dungeon it pops up a window: you don't have access to this, go buy 50 credits. We didn't want that experience. That's not an Elder Scrolls experience.

"We wanted to do monetisation outside of the game. So, if I pay for a month at a time, I have 100 per cent of the game. I don't have to worry about paying one more cent. I'll never run into a pay gate and I'll be in the world."

 

Well you have your opinion and I have mine. And at least yours is personal since you do play Imperials... I'll refrain from making any more disparaging remarks about them. 

 

As to Firor saying shit and Sage coming along later and saying or doing something different, that has been the case from the beginning here. But, IMHO, I think it goes deeper than that... I already said most of what I want to say about that in a thread I started (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404127/So-whats-next-Total-removal-of-faction-locks.html

 

You're assuming Firor was either lying or is now going back on his word. That was the same interview where he talked about paying for name changes and fun things in a cash shop as I recall. Sage also came along later to explain that one... I'm not so sure Matt is all that happy with the decision to add the Imps this way... but I'm just guessing. I guess people could also make something out of the president of the company not always getting his way...

  BarCrow

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2/01/14 2:54:41 PM#334

/ramble_on

   Technically the monetization is still outside of the game. I see what was being said by an earlier post and understand your reasoning but I don't think a window will "pop-up" during Character creation if you didn't buy before launch.. More likely the pre-order key unlocks the race/faction locks. You likely choose faction then have all races from which  to choose or vice versa. All options  available. If you buy after launch nothing will be locked out with a big virtual coin sign overlay . Those who purchase on launch day or after will enter the product key  and , during character creation, will never have certain options appear in the first place. If they didn't know about the pre-purchase (yeah..right...not since the advent of the internet could this likely occur)..they would be none-the-wiser. 

  Of course, with the NDA still in effect I'm just speculating . I hate those in-game money-pokes as much as the next person. LOTRO is terrible about it sometimes...SWTOR..well, I stopped subbing for approximately 3 days b/c their F2P  is THE most annoying thing I've ever attempted in an MMO that I couldn't hold out and just went back to monthly. It was mostly just a test. One that the game failed. Other than that I enjoy it still.

   On the other hand the games that I used to play that went free as well...like Rift, Tera, TSW or Fallen Earth..all have great F2P/P2P models. A nearly free gaming experience that doesn't continually beg from you like a hungry dog. Yet I can't seem to get back into them. One of the best (again imo) is GW2's P2P. Beautiful game. Fast paced . Open enough to feel like I can explore (could be better though). Huge Cities. One content update and/or event after another. Really fun when I play it but for some reason never think to play it that often. Something about just doesn't stick in my mind.

   Oh well.

   I will probably buy the digital imperial pre-purchase. I like the world and lore. If it doesn't  pan out it wouldn't be the first time. I know we shouldn't feed the monsters but I'm pretty sure I'll at least get my moneys worth. Plus...more than a handful of games, over which others have cried "foul", I have thoroughly enjoyed. SWTOR and Age of Conan being a few. The only time I've really beaten myself up over a pre-order was Infestation (formerly WarZ). However much shit I found that game ...I do plan on re-installing and checking in on it's progress..if any.

/ramble_off

  gobla

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Joined: 3/30/07
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C'est la vie.

2/01/14 3:49:58 PM#335
Originally posted by Iselin

Well you have your opinion and I have mine. And at least yours is personal since you do play Imperials... I'll refrain from making any more disparaging remarks about them. 

 

As to Firor saying shit and Sage coming along later and saying or doing something different, that has been the case from the beginning here. But, IMHO, I think it goes deeper than that... I already said most of what I want to say about that in a thread I started (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404127/So-whats-next-Total-removal-of-faction-locks.html

 

You're assuming Firor was either lying or is now going back on his word. That was the same interview where he talked about paying for name changes and fun things in a cash shop as I recall. Sage also came along later to explain that one... I'm not so sure Matt is all that happy with the decision to add the Imps this way... but I'm just guessing. I guess people could also make something out of the president of the company not always getting his way...

Again, it's not so much about what they're doing.

It's about what I want. I want that game Firor described. Where you pay the sub fee and get 100% of the content. If they'd later changed something else I might still be interested in buying. But it turns out the Elder Scrolls Online isn't that game where you get 100% of the content for the sub fee.

And I consider that a requirement for me paying a subscription fee. Name changes I'm fine with, that's not content. Purely cosmetic things that have counterparts in the main game with the exact same stats and functionality I'm fine with, I don't consider that content either. But a race, with an exclusive skill line, that's content as far as I'm concerned and I should be getting that as part of my subscription fee, it's part of the game.

I'm not paying a subscription fee if I'm not getting all of the content for that, because I know it'll just leave me feeling cheated in the end if I do.

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  Dalanon

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Joined: 10/11/06
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2/01/14 4:03:09 PM#336

I'm not going to play unless the game is free to download and they pay me fifteen dollars a month to play, that would be the only fair thing to do and the only way this game is going to be successful...

J/k!  I got the digital CE.  Looking forward to playing!  I figure even if the game is average fun it's worth the box and a couple months sub, after that if I don't like it i'll just play one of the other thousand games there are to play.

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  blazzen67

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2/01/14 4:18:59 PM#337
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Iselin

Well you have your opinion and I have mine. And at least yours is personal since you do play Imperials... I'll refrain from making any more disparaging remarks about them. 

 

As to Firor saying shit and Sage coming along later and saying or doing something different, that has been the case from the beginning here. But, IMHO, I think it goes deeper than that... I already said most of what I want to say about that in a thread I started (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404127/So-whats-next-Total-removal-of-faction-locks.html

 

You're assuming Firor was either lying or is now going back on his word. That was the same interview where he talked about paying for name changes and fun things in a cash shop as I recall. Sage also came along later to explain that one... I'm not so sure Matt is all that happy with the decision to add the Imps this way... but I'm just guessing. I guess people could also make something out of the president of the company not always getting his way...

Again, it's not so much about what they're doing.

It's about what I want. I want that game Firor described. Where you pay the sub fee and get 100% of the content. If they'd later changed something else I might still be interested in buying. But it turns out the Elder Scrolls Online isn't that game where you get 100% of the content for the sub fee.

And I consider that a requirement for me paying a subscription fee. Name changes I'm fine with, that's not content. Purely cosmetic things that have counterparts in the main game with the exact same stats and functionality I'm fine with, I don't consider that content either. But a race, with an exclusive skill line, that's content as far as I'm concerned and I should be getting that as part of my subscription fee, it's part of the game.

I'm not paying a subscription fee if I'm not getting all of the content for that, because I know it'll just leave me feeling cheated in the end if I do.

I can see both sides of the argument...but your argument is predicated to the fact that the ONLY way to play the imperial race, in the life time of the game, is buying the Imperial CE. which Zenimax never once said. now, this is just a thought, not saying this is the case, but  did you ever consider the Imperial edition is a just a way to promote sales for a game that hasn't even been released yet, and that the Imperial race can be unlocked through game play? say like when a player gets their first character to level 50, then the imperial race unlocks? Like what WOW did with the death Knight.  That would make sense to me. I really dont see any company putting an entire race behind a pay wall. When i first saw the Imperial CE , the very first thing that came to me was "oh cool, they are giving people a chance to play a race earlier than the people who dont buy the Imperial CE, who just play the game normally to unlock the race"...but seems like i was in the minority with that thought.

  gatheris

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2/01/14 4:39:25 PM#338
Originally posted by blazzen67
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Iselin

Well you have your opinion and I have mine. And at least yours is personal since you do play Imperials... I'll refrain from making any more disparaging remarks about them. 

 

As to Firor saying shit and Sage coming along later and saying or doing something different, that has been the case from the beginning here. But, IMHO, I think it goes deeper than that... I already said most of what I want to say about that in a thread I started (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404127/So-whats-next-Total-removal-of-faction-locks.html

 

You're assuming Firor was either lying or is now going back on his word. That was the same interview where he talked about paying for name changes and fun things in a cash shop as I recall. Sage also came along later to explain that one... I'm not so sure Matt is all that happy with the decision to add the Imps this way... but I'm just guessing. I guess people could also make something out of the president of the company not always getting his way...

Again, it's not so much about what they're doing.

It's about what I want. I want that game Firor described. Where you pay the sub fee and get 100% of the content. If they'd later changed something else I might still be interested in buying. But it turns out the Elder Scrolls Online isn't that game where you get 100% of the content for the sub fee.

And I consider that a requirement for me paying a subscription fee. Name changes I'm fine with, that's not content. Purely cosmetic things that have counterparts in the main game with the exact same stats and functionality I'm fine with, I don't consider that content either. But a race, with an exclusive skill line, that's content as far as I'm concerned and I should be getting that as part of my subscription fee, it's part of the game.

I'm not paying a subscription fee if I'm not getting all of the content for that, because I know it'll just leave me feeling cheated in the end if I do.

I can see both sides of the argument...but your argument is predicated to the fact that the ONLY way to play the imperial race, in the life time of the game, is buying the Imperial CE. which Zenimax never once said. now, this is just a thought, not saying this is the case, but  did you ever consider the Imperial edition is a just a way to promote sales for a game that hasn't even been released yet, and that the Imperial race can be unlocked through game play? say like when a player gets their first character to level 50, then the imperial race unlocks? Like what WOW did with the death Knight.  That would make sense to me. I really dont see any company putting an entire race behind a pay wall. When i first saw the Imperial CE , the very first thing that came to me was "oh cool, they are giving people a chance to play a race earlier than the people who dont buy the Imperial CE, who just play the game normally to unlock the race"...but seems like i was in the minority with that thought.

so then you think that the exclusivity is just another lie?

 

  MrG8

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Joined: 3/01/10
Posts: 81

2/01/14 4:44:42 PM#339

I will go for the Pre-order PC Boxed imperial edition, but not to play Imperial, I never play as imperial, bleh!

I want that kick ass horse! :) I do hope I don't have to play as an imperial to ride it though, that would be fail.... :)

 

And I like getting cool books and cool statues to collect, call me nerd but I'm proud of my collectors edition-collection! :)

  blazzen67

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Joined: 4/16/13
Posts: 67

2/01/14 4:49:51 PM#340
Originally posted by gatheris
Originally posted by blazzen67
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Iselin

Well you have your opinion and I have mine. And at least yours is personal since you do play Imperials... I'll refrain from making any more disparaging remarks about them. 

 

As to Firor saying shit and Sage coming along later and saying or doing something different, that has been the case from the beginning here. But, IMHO, I think it goes deeper than that... I already said most of what I want to say about that in a thread I started (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404127/So-whats-next-Total-removal-of-faction-locks.html

 

You're assuming Firor was either lying or is now going back on his word. That was the same interview where he talked about paying for name changes and fun things in a cash shop as I recall. Sage also came along later to explain that one... I'm not so sure Matt is all that happy with the decision to add the Imps this way... but I'm just guessing. I guess people could also make something out of the president of the company not always getting his way...

Again, it's not so much about what they're doing.

It's about what I want. I want that game Firor described. Where you pay the sub fee and get 100% of the content. If they'd later changed something else I might still be interested in buying. But it turns out the Elder Scrolls Online isn't that game where you get 100% of the content for the sub fee.

And I consider that a requirement for me paying a subscription fee. Name changes I'm fine with, that's not content. Purely cosmetic things that have counterparts in the main game with the exact same stats and functionality I'm fine with, I don't consider that content either. But a race, with an exclusive skill line, that's content as far as I'm concerned and I should be getting that as part of my subscription fee, it's part of the game.

I'm not paying a subscription fee if I'm not getting all of the content for that, because I know it'll just leave me feeling cheated in the end if I do.

I can see both sides of the argument...but your argument is predicated to the fact that the ONLY way to play the imperial race, in the life time of the game, is buying the Imperial CE. which Zenimax never once said. now, this is just a thought, not saying this is the case, but  did you ever consider the Imperial edition is a just a way to promote sales for a game that hasn't even been released yet, and that the Imperial race can be unlocked through game play? say like when a player gets their first character to level 50, then the imperial race unlocks? Like what WOW did with the death Knight.  That would make sense to me. I really dont see any company putting an entire race behind a pay wall. When i first saw the Imperial CE , the very first thing that came to me was "oh cool, they are giving people a chance to play a race earlier than the people who dont buy the Imperial CE, who just play the game normally to unlock the race"...but seems like i was in the minority with that thought.

so then you think that the exclusivity is just another lie?

 

HAHAHA..another lie?? name the others. did i say that, no i didnt..i just offered another thing to think about instead of assuming and speculating over a matter that no one knows for sure is fact.  its "OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD,  THE SKY IS FALLING"  the world is coming to an end type of hysteria and it really is ridiculous ...tell me what is more plausible to you....make a game and have an entire race behind a CE copy, knowing it would be unpopular and you would lose customers ...OR have a CE edition that contains a race that people can play earlier than just getting the regular edition and have to unlock the character through game play...which makes more sense to you??

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