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  cura

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2/01/14 8:43:29 AM#321
Originally posted by 9Prejudice
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Smeaghoul
Originally posted by lafaiel

Won't be touching this one, I'm all for box and sub but when a whole race is left out unless you get the CE I can see its not a company I want to do business with.

   Its not even about the money, its the principle behind it but so many people are conditioned to consume everything they're fed they will act likes  its ok  "everyone is doing it"  or "thats how  things are these days"  like a heard of sheep.  Its no wonder the big corporations and bankers fleece them like they do.

Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy.  Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulationcompetitive markets and wage labour.  In a capitalist economy, the parties to a transaction typically determine the prices at which assets, goods, and services are exchanged.

IMO they are charging a fair price for all versions of the game.  look at the last few collectors edition that have been released in the MMO market and it will show they are MORE then competitive in their pricing.  The company has to offer something unique in the collectors edition otherwise what would be the purpose in buying it? 

When I bought my new truck I decided to buy something I could afford.  I would have loved to get the 4x4 with all the bells and whistles but it would have cost me an extra $15k.  Just like in life you get what you pay for and if you want the extras that the collectors edition provides then BUY it. 

You're right, its capitalism. People shouldnt buy it so we have cheaper and better options next time.

Well, you have no right to tell people what they should buy or not buy. Just take care of yourself.

Heh, now i know why i blocked you lol

  9Prejudice

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Joined: 3/10/12
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2/01/14 8:55:38 AM#322
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by 9Prejudice
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Smeaghoul
Originally posted by lafaiel

Won't be touching this one, I'm all for box and sub but when a whole race is left out unless you get the CE I can see its not a company I want to do business with.

   Its not even about the money, its the principle behind it but so many people are conditioned to consume everything they're fed they will act likes  its ok  "everyone is doing it"  or "thats how  things are these days"  like a heard of sheep.  Its no wonder the big corporations and bankers fleece them like they do.

Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy.  Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulationcompetitive markets and wage labour.  In a capitalist economy, the parties to a transaction typically determine the prices at which assets, goods, and services are exchanged.

IMO they are charging a fair price for all versions of the game.  look at the last few collectors edition that have been released in the MMO market and it will show they are MORE then competitive in their pricing.  The company has to offer something unique in the collectors edition otherwise what would be the purpose in buying it? 

When I bought my new truck I decided to buy something I could afford.  I would have loved to get the 4x4 with all the bells and whistles but it would have cost me an extra $15k.  Just like in life you get what you pay for and if you want the extras that the collectors edition provides then BUY it. 

You're right, its capitalism. People shouldnt buy it so we have cheaper and better options next time.

Well, you have no right to tell people what they should buy or not buy. Just take care of yourself.

Heh, now i know why i blocked you lol

Yeah go block those who disagree with you. 

  Geriden

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Posts: 401

2/01/14 9:08:55 AM#323

Kinda disgusted by this game, over priced box, sub fee (i dont mind sub fee's) + cash shop, a race behind a huge paywall.

This is swotor, a huge cash grab before a very ugly free to play transition and once again, leaving all you pre order people with a bitter taste in your mouth.

  squalleonaha

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Joined: 1/08/07
Posts: 212

2/01/14 9:17:36 AM#324
Originally posted by Geriden

Kinda disgusted by this game, over priced box, sub fee (i dont mind sub fee's) + cash shop, a race behind a huge paywall.

This is swotor, a huge cash grab before a very ugly free to play transition and once again, leaving all you pre order people with a bitter taste in your mouth.

agree, i've go with all ES products since morrowind to skyrim. however i'm not a blind fan, i wont support a greedy company that charge: box sell + $15 sub + cash shop + expansion.

ESO think too highly of themself and become arrogant, maybe they think this game will be WOW killer or something. with NDA still on and trying to quickly grab money, i have the feeling that they dont plan a long future with this game.

the game will still run with its fans base and survive like FF14 or SWTOR. however i'm sure that it wont get money from me. its just business, we are no longer in a time that only WOW, EQ2, FF11 are the only mmo

  SlyLoK

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Posts: 935

2/01/14 10:06:51 AM#325
Originally posted by squalleonaha
Originally posted by Geriden

Kinda disgusted by this game, over priced box, sub fee (i dont mind sub fee's) + cash shop, a race behind a huge paywall.

This is swotor, a huge cash grab before a very ugly free to play transition and once again, leaving all you pre order people with a bitter taste in your mouth.

agree, i've go with all ES products since morrowind to skyrim. however i'm not a blind fan, i wont support a greedy company that charge: box sell + $15 sub + cash shop + expansion.

ESO think too highly of themself and become arrogant, maybe they think this game will be WOW killer or something. with NDA still on and trying to quickly grab money, i have the feeling that they dont plan a long future with this game.

the game will still run with its fans base and survive like FF14 or SWTOR. however i'm sure that it wont get money from me. its just business, we are no longer in a time that only WOW, EQ2, FF11 are the only mmo

Lets see... Box sales recoup development costs. The sub fee means high quality additional content being made after release and not lame stuff like GW2 adds. There is no cash shop other than allowing players to upgrade their purchase editions. And an expansion isnt going to be coming for a year or 2 after release.

Arrogant? No just the typical AAA MMO pricing scheme. The MMO genre has taken a nosedive ever since non MMO gamers have arrived. That and all these f2p games from asia.. A bunch of trash games.

You are right that there are more MMOs than just WoW , EQ2 , FF11 and LotRO ..ect. But they are really the only good ones ( EQ2 and LoTRO I dont consider that good anymore ) and WoW is the top dog with a sub fee and FF11 is doing quite well with a sub fee as well. Then we have GW2 that is buy to play with a cash shop.. A game that gets " content " updates that have practically nothing in them.

All these F2P games that have popped up over the years are a complete and utter waste. Their designs are terrible with clumps of enemies with no real thought to the area or anything. Sure people play them but only because they are free and for some because they can buy their way to the top.

Paying a premium for a AAA game is well worth it in the end IMO.

  Smeaghoul

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Joined: 12/05/13
Posts: 9

2/01/14 10:33:04 AM#326
Originally posted by Geriden

Kinda disgusted by this game, over priced box, sub fee (i dont mind sub fee's) + cash shop, a race behind a huge paywall.

This is swotor, a huge cash grab before a very ugly free to play transition and once again, leaving all you pre order people with a bitter taste in your mouth.

 

So you think $20 (difference between collectors and standard) is a huge pay wall? LMAO. Blizzard charges around $25 just to change your race.  ESO collectors edition includes more then just the race so its hardly HUGE.

 

 

  Madimorga

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2/01/14 10:45:38 AM#327

I'll probably wait and see if they offer the Imperial Edition on Amazon or Steam or on their website sometime post-launch for less money, but maybe ten bucks or so more than standard.  Then I'll buy it if the gamer reviews are good.  If they never offer it again, or never offer it at a reduced price, or if the game gets massacred by players, I'll pass.

 

Unless I win the lottery, of course.  

 

That's a lie.  If I win the lottery, I'll have much better things to do.   The reason I still play MMOs is they are a very good deal for the price if you're poor.  And this is probably a major part of the reason for the anger of gamers over significant perks for those who have more money to spend.  It's a relatively cheap hobby, first world speaking, so it draws from a pool of people who don't have money for other entertainment.  Frankly, I think devs are starting to push it a little too far by creating that separation of haves and have nots in games that reflects haves and have nots in the real world.

 

When they go too far, they'll know it, because people will not only complain on forums, they'll find other things to spend money on.  The timing for release is excellent to milk the max out of players, I have to give them that.  Everyone is over GW2, no one knows when Wildstar releases, and there isn't much else out there.  This is new, it's shiny, and it's parked right in the middle of an MMO dry spell.  

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  nightscar

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Posts: 33

2/01/14 11:00:21 AM#328

Unfortunatly in a few months summer will be here.

thats when I switch my attention to that big yellow thing in the sky lol

so I did plan on preordering .. but i'm waiting for later now.

  jdlamson75

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2/01/14 11:03:53 AM#329
As soon as the payment on my vidya game credit card clears, I'm gonna rack up $80 more on that bad boy and get me some hot Imperial Edition action.
  Theodwulf

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2/01/14 11:20:41 AM#330

   IF it is a great game it won't be going anywhere. So there is no rush to give up your money. I  will wait and watch , plenty of people will stream it when it comes out. Everyone will have plenty of information to make an informed decision a month or so after it is released.

 

 

  CazNeerg

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2/01/14 11:24:00 AM#331
Originally posted by cura

You're right, its capitalism. People shouldnt buy it so we have cheaper and better options next time.

People shouldn't buy it, if they don't think they are receiving sufficient value for the cost, not if you don't think they are.

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  cura

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2/01/14 11:47:30 AM#332
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by cura

You're right, its capitalism. People shouldnt buy it so we have cheaper and better options next time.

People shouldn't buy it, if they don't think they are receiving sufficient value for the cost, not if you don't think they are.

Nope, its not the way it works. They dont sell their commodinty at its real value. They try to force us to pay as much as they can and we should try to force them to sell things for as little as we can. Its business. Offcourse its one side war couse most people prefer to live in their fantasies and are sitting ducks for corporate business .

  gobla

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C'est la vie.

2/01/14 12:11:02 PM#333

Was strongly considering buying it before the Imperial edition was revealed.

Now I won't buy it as long as it has either a subscription fee or content behind a pay-wall (and yes, a race is content). It's the same reason I won't buy Diablo 3 or Sim City. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Got a subscription fee and an initial box price? Fine, but I expect to get all content for that without having to buy special editions or use a cash shop.

Have content locked behind pay-walls that I must purchase separately from the rest of the game? Cool, but I expect the game to be B2P or F2P in that case.

Choose one or the other. If you attempt to get both I won't be buying.

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  Iselin

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2/01/14 12:13:25 PM#334
Originally posted by gobla

Was strongly considering buying it before the Imperial edition was revealed.

Now I won't buy it as long as it has either a subscription fee or content behind a pay-wall (and yes, a race is content). It's the same reason I won't buy Diablo 3 or Sim City. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Got a subscription fee and an initial box price? Fine, but I expect to get all content for that without having to buy special editions or use a cash shop.

Have content locked behind pay-walls that I must purchase separately from the rest of the game? Cool, but I expect the game to be B2P or F2P in that case.

Choose one or the other. If you attempt to get both I won't be buying.

You sound like an investor, not a gamer. Do you ever play games for frivolous reasons...say, because you like it?

  Deathstrike2

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2/01/14 12:20:34 PM#335

Going to buy it and play it.  Don't really care about the "race behind a pay wall" crap I'm reading here.  I like MMOs, and I buy most.  This one looks fun, and I'm there until something better comes along.

Maybe all the crying about the sub fee and CEs means there'll be far fewer asshats in this game than in most.  Here's hoping!

 

  gobla

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C'est la vie.

2/01/14 12:20:49 PM#336
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by gobla

Was strongly considering buying it before the Imperial edition was revealed.

Now I won't buy it as long as it has either a subscription fee or content behind a pay-wall (and yes, a race is content). It's the same reason I won't buy Diablo 3 or Sim City. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Got a subscription fee and an initial box price? Fine, but I expect to get all content for that without having to buy special editions or use a cash shop.

Have content locked behind pay-walls that I must purchase separately from the rest of the game? Cool, but I expect the game to be B2P or F2P in that case.

Choose one or the other. If you attempt to get both I won't be buying.

You sound like an investor, not a gamer. Do you ever play games for frivolous reasons...say, because you like it?

If I was an investor I'd be all for this move, it's bound to make them a lot of money. Financially it's a sound move.

It's exactly because I play game for frivolous reasons that I simply can't support this. Because I don't like it, I don't like this sense of having to have my wallet ready at any moment to pay them more and more whenever they decide to hold more content hostage. I just want to play a game, set up a monthly subscription and just get the whole game for that.

I like Imperials. I don't like feeling forced to buy a more expensive edition to play the game the way I want to play it. So I won't buy it, because I don't like it, as frivolous as it gets.

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  lafaiel

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2/01/14 12:32:47 PM#337
Originally posted by gobla
 

If I was an investor I'd be all for this move, it's bound to make them a lot of money. Financially it's a sound move.

It's exactly because I play game for frivolous reasons that I simply can't support this. Because I don't like it, I don't like this sense of having to have my wallet ready at any moment to pay them more and more whenever they decide to hold more content hostage. I just want to play a game, set up a monthly subscription and just get the whole game for that.

I like Imperials. I don't like feeling forced to buy a more expensive edition to play the game the way I want to play it. So I won't buy it, because I don't like it, as frivolous as it gets.

This man gets it, its exactly how I feel.  When you reward these companies for this kind of behavior you can only expect more of it in the future, I'll keep my money.

  Iselin

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2/01/14 12:49:51 PM#338
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by gobla

Was strongly considering buying it before the Imperial edition was revealed.

Now I won't buy it as long as it has either a subscription fee or content behind a pay-wall (and yes, a race is content). It's the same reason I won't buy Diablo 3 or Sim City. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Got a subscription fee and an initial box price? Fine, but I expect to get all content for that without having to buy special editions or use a cash shop.

Have content locked behind pay-walls that I must purchase separately from the rest of the game? Cool, but I expect the game to be B2P or F2P in that case.

Choose one or the other. If you attempt to get both I won't be buying.

You sound like an investor, not a gamer. Do you ever play games for frivolous reasons...say, because you like it?

If I was an investor I'd be all for this move, it's bound to make them a lot of money. Financially it's a sound move.

It's exactly because I play game for frivolous reasons that I simply can't support this. Because I don't like it, I don't like this sense of having to have my wallet ready at any moment to pay them more and more whenever they decide to hold more content hostage. I just want to play a game, set up a monthly subscription and just get the whole game for that.

I like Imperials. I don't like feeling forced to buy a more expensive edition to play the game the way I want to play it. So I won't buy it, because I don't like it, as frivolous as it gets.

Oh well. I guess I'm more cynical about corporations than you. You seem to think that their behavior can be changed through our influence... ask Ralph Nader just how easy that is even when you're talking about life and death as opposed to the luxury leisure activities of the affluent...

 

I just simplify it: I enjoy spending time playing it or I don't... I save my activism for more important shit.  

  gobla

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2/01/14 1:03:40 PM#339
Originally posted by Iselin

Oh well. I guess I'm more cynical about corporations than you. You seem to think that their behavior can be changed through our influence... ask Ralph Nader just how easy that is even when you're talking about life and death as opposed to the luxury leisure activities of the affluent...

 

I just simplify it: I enjoy spending time playing it or I don't... I save my activism for more important shit.  

It's not about activism. It's more about my own peace-of-mind.

I'm not looking to change them, I'm just looking to make my own life easier.

I like just playing a game without worries, I just give them a subscription fee each month and they give me content and patches. Seems like a decent and fair deal to me. And it allows me to get excited about the game without worry, if there's a preview about something awesome I know I'll be getting it without additional hassles. I just continue my subscription and I get all the cool content.

I like collector's editions that make me feel excited, that get me behind-the-scenes material, sound-tracks and stuff like that. Things that only dedicated fans would enjoy.

I don't like playing a game where I'm already worrying whether or not I can trust the publisher to just give me all the cool content they're developing for my subscription. A publisher I already know is holding some content, even if it's just  a race, back to get some extra money from me. I'd rather save myself the worry and not get invested in such a game in the first place.

I don't like collector's editions that make me feel pressured, that make me feel like I should spend additional money or I'll be losing out on the game.

So I'm not getting the game because I don't feel like Zenimax is able to provide me the gaming experience I want, one based upon a simple fair deal (subscription for content). Instead I feel like they'll try where they can to make it more complicated to get more money out of me.

I just want to play a game and give them my subscription money each month to get all the cool stuff they're developing with that money, is that too much to ask?

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2/01/14 1:08:59 PM#340
Would be pretty funny to see a Nord dominant Altmeri Dominion claim Cyrodil and crown an Orc as the Altmeri Emperor.

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