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  MikeB

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OP  1/31/14 6:48:50 PM#1

In a new update published to the official Camelot Unchained website, City State Entertainment has announced that the game has entered internal testing.

Internal Testers are not bound by NDA with only one caveat: they can only discuss aspects of the test on the official Camelot Unchained forums. There will be some aspects of the test that CSE may ask testers not to discuss publicly, however.

CSE has also added a new full-time designer (with RvR experience) to the team that they plan to introduce to backers next week.

Michael "MikeB" Bitton
Community Manager
Twitter: @eMikeB

  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

1/31/14 9:06:23 PM#2
Wait... isn't that basically an NDA still then if its on their forums? I mean that is what most testers do, they can only discuss stuff on that games specific forums. Its pretty much an NDA if you can't talk about it just anywhere.
  Lokberg

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1/31/14 9:13:37 PM#3
Not really since all the backers aint internal testers, so its good they get to know whats going on to
  Slapshot1188

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1/31/14 9:25:21 PM#4

But... the backers didn't sign an NDA so can't they just relay the information?

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  FlyinDutchman87

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1/31/14 9:32:53 PM#5
Their is a Terms of Service to access the forums. So all the non-IT backers are bound under a blanket NDA.
  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

1/31/14 9:41:36 PM#6
Originally posted by Lokberg
Not really since all the backers aint internal testers, so its good they get to know whats going on to

Still its pretty much an NDA, they can't actually tell anyone what others tell them. Its not like "Oh well now I won't pay money for the game" either, since as backers they already thrown their money into the pot.

 

Don't get me wrong, its nice that they at least can hear what internal testing results might be (which will likely be very bias btw, its likely to be very selective) but the gesture of it having no "NDA" is kind of bullocks. In a way, those who payed to support the game have the right to know how its going, and in the end no one outside is 'suppose' to know how testing is going on at all.

So for those purposes, it is clearly an NDA. Its fine to have one being in early testing, but its just wrong to throw out a claim like that to spark 'good faith' in them when its not really true.

  Tierless

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joie de vivre

1/31/14 10:18:34 PM#7

One more check box closer to a full game! From an idea to a forum to testing. Nice work CSE!

The way CSE has handled the KS, and the way they are STILL SOO involved with the backers in incredible. I don't recall ever seeing another game company pull it off like this. You've give yourself an ideal to strive towards. The backers will race behind you, we will stumble, we will fall. But in time, we will join you on the launch. In time, you will help us accomplish RVR MMO wonders.

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  ste2000

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2/01/14 3:28:29 AM#8

Nevermind the NDA.

This game hasn't got a single video or screenshot to show after all this time and $2.5 Million funding, that's unusual practice.

  Xthos

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2/01/14 3:38:10 AM#9
Originally posted by ste2000

Nevermind the NDA.

This game hasn't got a single video or screenshot to show after all this time and $2.5 Million funding, that's unusual practice.

I didn't back it, may give it a try, but it is a little too focused for me maybe, as it doesn't really have a pve part to it.  I know why it doesn't, but it would at best become a side game for me probably....That being said, they had internal testing tiers if I am correct on the kickstarter, so if it was vaporware or something, I think those people would be loud and out them (if that was what you were hinting at).

 

I don't think it has been that long myself, and they do seem to keep in touch with people, posting stories and lore.

  Ingvar

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2/01/14 4:15:03 AM#10
Well games almost never release pictures of any pre-alpha stuff so its not that unusual
  ste2000

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2/01/14 6:59:39 AM#11
Originally posted by Ingvar
Well games almost never release pictures of any pre-alpha stuff so its not that unusual

Well, games that ask money in advance usually do.

Pathfinder did, The Repopulation did, SotA did, Star Citizens showed the ship models and some dogfight, even Pantheon that hasn't even started the development attempted to show something (and they did a mistake IMO).

CU is the only crowd founded MMO that didn't show anything at all, and it is already 1 year into development.

So it is unusual.

  Travy1

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2/01/14 9:16:53 AM#12
Originally posted by ste2000
CU is the only crowd founded MMO that didn't show anything at all, and it is already 1 year into development. So it is unusual.

I agree that it would be usual if CU "didn't show anything at all" after it had been "1 year into development".

Fortunately neither of these things are factually true. Their youtube page and the CU website has videos and screens (linked below). The game has been "into development" for about 8 months, not 12. At around 12 months, we will be playing alpha. Moreover, the founders have seen much more than non-founders, which is why nearly everyone that funded the game is very happy.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CityStateGames/videos

http://camelotunchained.com/en/

  Tierless

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joie de vivre

2/01/14 9:55:13 AM#13
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Ingvar
Well games almost never release pictures of any pre-alpha stuff so its not that unusual

Well, games that ask money in advance usually do.

Pathfinder did, The Repopulation did, SotA did, Star Citizens showed the ship models and some dogfight, even Pantheon that hasn't even started the development attempted to show something (and they did a mistake IMO).

CU is the only crowd founded MMO that didn't show anything at all, and it is already 1 year into development.

So it is unusual.

They do that for the same reason companies do CG trailers before they have any gameplay, pretty stuff sells and gains attention. It's marketing and it works far too well. You would think by now more gamers have figured out that it's just hype. A game with bad graphics but great gameplay can still be fun, a game with great graphics and terrible gameplay is simply not playable. 

 

CSE have said they put their time into making the core game tech work right first (especially since they built the engine). Basically they want to lay a very solid foundation before they try to paint the house a pretty color, which I think makes the most sense, especially when your game's selling point relies on being able to pull off large scale battles. Not to mention if you spend all your time on the pretty stuff you risk ending up like so many other MMOs in the last few years that cram the gameplay into the last 8 months of development!

 

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  DMKano

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2/01/14 10:06:11 AM#14
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Ingvar
Well games almost never release pictures of any pre-alpha stuff so its not that unusual

Well, games that ask money in advance usually do.

Pathfinder did, The Repopulation did, SotA did, Star Citizens showed the ship models and some dogfight, even Pantheon that hasn't even started the development attempted to show something (and they did a mistake IMO).

CU is the only crowd founded MMO that didn't show anything at all, and it is already 1 year into development.

So it is unusual.

It is unusual - Trove alpha had zero NDA even at version 0.0.1 back in November of last year.

And Trove didn't even ask for money in advance, I got in for free, most early testers simply got invites.

 

  MrBoots

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2/01/14 11:32:03 AM#15

I'm set to begin internal testing of my latest MMO creation. All 5 lines of code are going to be put to the test internally. I could share information on the tests with you, but I'm bound to an NDA unless you can provide a large sum of money via credit card payment.

 

Doesn't this stuff remind of you of the old hotline scams from the 80s and 90s?

  Mithrundir

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2/01/14 12:50:13 PM#16
The amount of updates that come from City State and Mark Jacobs is quite impressive. Their open-door policy towards all their backers is something I've never seen to such extent from an mmo's development, on Kickstarter or not. I look forward to my updates each week (many times they are more often than that).

Dozens of MMO's, RTS's, FPS's, etc.

  rguilbert

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2/01/14 1:11:41 PM#17

The amount of updates is encouraging. 

I usually would feel nervous about pledging in advance, but I think this situation is different.  We are talking about well known people here who aren't likely to totally destroy their reputations by running a scam.  It would be different if it was being run by some random guy in Eastern Europe that no one ever heard of.

The vision statements seem great, and the lack of a large company forcing them to make decisions that run counter to their direction for the game is a plus too.

I'm sure that Matt Firor over at ESO wishes he had the same level of freedom.  He just got forced to go against his vision in order to boost pre-order sales for his game.

  Nirrtix

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2/01/14 9:33:28 PM#18
I am very exicted about this game. As other current MMO's are losing their way and getting bland Dark Age of Camelot always stood out. If you did not get a chance to kickstarter they are taking donations now on their website for beta access and digital copies etc.

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  kosac

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2/02/14 6:31:08 AM#19
NDA in game from Kickstarter is the biggest irony on world.. after american corn etc :D
  lilwins

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2/03/14 11:17:00 AM#20
It's cute how people bash a game without knowing anything about it. If you were actual founders you would know that we get 1-2 updates a week, sometimes even more. They have shown us a lot already. We have seen in-game character models, concept art, hell we have even tested some of their early server tech with smackhammer. Stop spitting out BS without knowing facts first, this is not like all those big name publishers that actually do run a bait and switch marketing campaign, so far CSE hasn't done any of that nonsense. Not going to discuss anything else because it's part of the NDA, but we as founders have seen a lot more than the outside world thinks.
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