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  Warjin

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Joined: 10/25/09
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OP  1/31/14 6:55:05 AM#1

You guys do know that games that drop this NDA crap is nothing more then a marketing ploy, NDA helps create the mind set of  "My Little secret Club" it helps bolster the games hype and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker lol, If a game did not want there crap leaked they would not have public Alpha/Beta testing.

Here is the thing folks, the majority of game leaks are done by the games developers to help hype the game and to see the publics opinion and gather feed back, don't be fooled and don't be a tool, understand when you are being played, do not let the NDA scam insult your intelligence.

Now I'm not saying post NDA stuff on this site but at least understand you are being played for a fool, so remember the next time someone or some game DEV. talks all this NDA crap give yourelf a giant facepalm.

People act like NDA is some type of Top Secret Government Area 51 program coving up the existence of Aliens or something lol.

 

  laokoko

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1/31/14 6:59:36 AM#2
NDA is like you can't say bad thing about the game.  Else you'l get sued.
  Azoth

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1/31/14 7:04:29 AM#3

Not to burst your bubble but anytime someone tries to sell you something you are being played.

If I sign an NDA I respect it plain and simple.

  Warjin

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OP  1/31/14 7:05:47 AM#4
Originally posted by laokoko
NDA is like you can't say bad thing about the game.  Else you'l get sued.

Bull crap, they can't sue you, it's not like you're working for NORAD, they can try but they will be laughed out of the court room, if it's a government NDA that's different but to give a NDA to anyone on the internet that sumits there email not knowing that persons backround is there own dam fault and because of that no court in there right mind will waste there time, game NDA's are to hype the game nothing more, it's simple martketing 101, and it works, that's why they do it.

  Betaguy

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1/31/14 7:07:40 AM#5
Originally posted by Warjin
Originally posted by laokoko
NDA is like you can't say bad thing about the game.  Else you'l get sued.

Bull crap, they can't sue you, it's not like you're working for NORAD, they can try but they will be laughed out of the court room, if it's a government NDA that's different but to give a NDA to anyone on the internet that sumits there email not knowing that persons backround is there own dam fault and because of that no court in there right mind will waste there time, game NDA's are to hype the game nothing more, it's simple martketing 101, and it works, that's why they do it.

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  Gilllean

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Joined: 1/04/14
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1/31/14 7:09:38 AM#6

You will get account instantly blocked youtube twitch and so on . If you have a you tube portal witch has lot of view and has decent income it's not worth risk with NDA. Still in mother Russia no body give's a fuck we had streams and video on youtube  just hidden from OLOLO  I mentioned a lot of times if you want to see beta test PM me I will give you link to our club xD no body was asking.

 

ALSO very soon I will get warning of ban from MMORPG

  Dibdabs

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1/31/14 7:16:48 AM#7
Originally posted by Warjin

You guys do know that games that drop this NDA crap is nothing more then a marketing ploy

We do, yes. You only just realised?  :D

  Warjin

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Joined: 10/25/09
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OP  1/31/14 7:17:46 AM#8
Originally posted by Azoth

Not to burst your bubble but anytime someone tries to sell you something you are being played.

If I sign an NDA I respect it plain and simple.

I respect that, but you are still being played, this video game NDA crap reminds of those people that tip those female Twitch streamers $300, as if they got a chance in hell to hook up with that chic lol, those chics are playing men as the horny fools that they are, acting all cute for cash.

That being said being the perfect NDA agent isn't going to get you any perks with the games DEV unless you run a site like this one (maybe a free game copy of the game),  but that's only because sites like this one promotes there product, but any average Joe isn't going to get crap, you are not going to get on the Dev teams mailing list nore will you get your name in the credits, you are there for feed back and they know you will bolster the game to other people in one way or another making good use of word of mouth marketing, it's free labor and marketing, it's genius if you ask me.

 

  sanshi44

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Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1040

1/31/14 7:25:15 AM#9
Originally posted by Azoth

Not to burst your bubble but anytime someone tries to sell you something you are being played.

If I sign an NDA I respect it plain and simple.

This, people should respect the Devs want, if they want a NDA well then there be an NDA its there game there choice people shoudl respect that.

  greenreen

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Joined: 11/19/12
Posts: 1429

1/31/14 7:25:57 AM#10

People still leak info both good and bad.

I watched at least 5 Twitch channels get 24 hr. bans casting the last beta. People would come to their channel and tell them it was under NDA and some would say - No, it's not, then check and turn off their cast that were speaking English. Oddly enough I saw people not from the US react differently. A french guy was like - who cares. A german guy gave away his friends beta key for followers. Everyone else who continued casting wasn't speaking English. I search for videos on YT and have found beta videos leaked there from Russia. There's something about some non US people that they don't seem to give a diddle about the rules on sharing for this.

Maybe they don't get sued as much where they are. I don't think it would be laughed out of court but I think it would be rare to catch everyone doing it and that's what they are hoping for, being part of a crowd large enough that it would cost too much to chase them. It's like a bill that gets sold to a collection company - they have considered it too low to pay off chasing people so they sell it to a sucker for less money. I had one of those erroneous charges from a company get sold to a bill collector and they contacted me for over 6 years trying to talk me into paying money I didn't owe because they had bought the amount out. Needless to say, each time they called I explained why I didn't owe the money and that I tried to talk to the company that said I did and they ignored it so those people just got sold a false lead. They finally gave up calling once I told them, I have all the information documented, you take me to court over 60 bucks if you think you can win, just look at how much time you've spent already in man hours chasing something that is not real. It's only costing you money, not me. I'm not paying that company anything more than what we agreed upon and when I got an erroneous bill I canceled the service and sent what it should have cost.

An NDA is your word. If you like breaking your word, it does say something about your character. That's the heart of it for me. I wouldn't befriend someone I knew broke an NDA. I left a guild once because the guild leader admitted to buying gold. We have a choice about the company we keep and once someone does something out of line there's no reason to give them a second chance and be the one they burn next.

  Scalpless

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Joined: 3/22/07
Posts: 1272

1/31/14 7:28:35 AM#11
Originally posted by Warjin
Originally posted by Azoth

Not to burst your bubble but anytime someone tries to sell you something you are being played.

If I sign an NDA I respect it plain and simple.

I respect that, but you are still being played, this video game NDA crap reminds of those people that tip those female Twitch streamers $300, as if they got a chance in hell to hook up with that chic lol, those chics are playing men as the horny fools that they are, acting all cute for cash.

That being said being the perfect NDA agent isn't going to get you any perks with the games DEV unless you run a site like this one (maybe a free game copy of the game),  but that's only because sites like this one promotes there product, but any average Joe isn't going to get crap, you are not going to get on the Dev teams mailing list nore will you get your name in the credits, you are there for feed back and they know you will bolster the game to other people in one way or another making good use of word of mouth marketing, it's free labor and marketing, it's genius if you ask me.

Unless you're a paid beta tester, you're not supposed to get any special favors for participating in a beta. Anyone who thinks they will is not being played, but being an idiot. The same thing with streamers. Do they promise special favors for tips? No? Well, then the ones expecting some are stupid.

  Incomparable

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1/31/14 7:31:23 AM#12

I think the assumption that the NDA is a gimmick due a possible preconception that beta testers are not useful. 

If however beta testers are useful to the development of a game, then isn't beta testing more than just a gimmick, and the NDA is there to at least have more quality control than none at all?

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  Gorilla

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1/31/14 7:38:16 AM#13
Originally posted by Warjin

You guys do know that games that drop this NDA crap is nothing more then a marketing ploy, NDA helps create the mind set of  "My Little secret Club" it helps bolster the games hype and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker lol, If a game did not want there crap leaked they would not have public Alpha/Beta testing.

Here is the thing folks, the majority of game leaks are done by the games developers to help hype the game and to see the publics opinion and gather feed back, don't be fooled and don't be a tool, understand when you are being played, do not let the NDA scam insult your intelligence.

Now I'm not saying post NDA stuff on this site but at least understand you are being played for a fool, so remember the next time someone or some game DEV. talks all this NDA crap give yourelf a giant facepalm.

People act like NDA is some type of Top Secret Government Area 51 program coving up the existence of Aliens or something lol.

 

 

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  CrazKanuk

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1/31/14 7:54:37 AM#14

Meh, NDAs are all over. If you work anywhere that you have access to any sort of proprietary information, they'll make you sign an NDA. 

 

I think that they probably started using it as a means of keeping that information private, because if there's something there like, say, housing and it gets cut, then people are all of a sudden unruly. 

 

As far as the exclusivity goes, you don't need an NDA for that, if you run a very tight beta program you've already got that. ESO and Wildstar are prime examples. Both games have people foaming at the mouths trying to get in. Once you're in, there's no further hurdles, you've made it. I'm sure that the NDA provide some level of hype because anytime that anyone leaks anything, it's almost always a big deal and people clamor to see it. However, it's not the primary purpose of the NDA. It's always about covering their asses. I think that the marketing hype you're talking about would be there anyway. 

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  Tjed

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1/31/14 8:25:29 AM#15
I don't get it.  To me, if someone is being played, they're being hustled or taken for a ride or whatever vernacular you want to use, then they're  losing something in the deal.  If a company offered some incentives for not breaking the NDA while testing, like free copy of the game or some free sub time or whatever, then came up with a very flimsy reason that most people broke the NDA and backed out of the reward, I suppose that would fit.  Still though, what does the company get out of it?  Free testing?  I just don't get it.  I've tested a lot of games most of them under an NDA.  I know those games have leaked info in order to get more exposure.  I lost nothing in the deal and never felt like I was being played.  I just reported bugs and enjoyed the experience.   Maybe being played means something different to you. 
  Kuinn

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1/31/14 8:29:14 AM#16
I hope the NDA stays until launch day, I decided to go into this game without looking any information on it other than the scarce general information, and with very low expectations (as with always when it comes to MMO's these days) :) should provide an exciting and fresh "on your face" experience for good and worse.
  Nadia

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1/31/14 8:33:06 AM#17
Originally posted by Kuinn
very low expectations (as with always when it comes to MMO's these days) :) should provide an exciting and fresh "on your face" experience for good and worse.

good advice

  Joejc7135

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1/31/14 8:39:54 AM#18
They have to institute an NDA otherwise everyone would find out there is no endgame content and the pvp is broken. Then nobody would by their overpriced CE's. Simple.
  killion81

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1/31/14 8:40:17 AM#19
Originally posted by Kuinn
I hope the NDA stays until launch day, I decided to go into this game without looking any information on it other than the scarce general information, and with very low expectations (as with always when it comes to MMO's these days) :) should provide an exciting and fresh "on your face" experience for good and worse.

 

I'm sure you'll get a fresh "on your face" experience.  I hope you have a great time with that. :)

  lizardbones

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1/31/14 8:43:29 AM#20

I'm all for consumers making informed decisions, but lifting NDAs in the past doesn't seem to have any real impact on initial sales.  Those people who are "getting played" are going to "get played" with their eyes open or their eyes shut. 

 

I think the NDA being in place is much more constrictive for those people who want to campaign against the game than it is for the people who want to buy and play the game.

 

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