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  TheCrow2k

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1/30/14 10:31:46 PM#221
Of course its greedy. An offering like a special more powerful is the sort of thing you find in the cash shops of 2bit pay to win F2P games. Worse still is that TESO requires box + sub & you still won't have access to everything unless you pay extra for the box, its pure greed.

I bet the moment TESO converts to F2P (& it inevitably will) they will probably sell an imperial race unlock & a faction unlock from day one.
  Rusque

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1/30/14 10:40:29 PM#222
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Of course its greedy. An offering like a special more powerful is the sort of thing you find in the cash shops of 2bit pay to win F2P games. Worse still is that TESO requires box + sub & you still won't have access to everything unless you pay extra for the box, its pure greed.

I bet the moment TESO converts to F2P (& it inevitably will) they will probably sell an imperial race unlock & a faction unlock from day one.

How is the Imperial Race more powerful?

People have some weird misconceptions. It's just another humanoid race, it's not like Zenimax is giving them an iwin button.

  Entinerint

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1/30/14 10:55:08 PM#223
Originally posted by Ghern
Originally posted by Entinerint

I pre-ordered the Imperial boxed edition.

It is an AWESOME value actually, I had set aside $250 for the CE and I ended up with $150 left over, so that's pretty cool.

ZOS have given the TES fans FIRST-PERSON COMBAT and REMOVED RACE LOCKS.

They are finally doing it RIGHT, catering to the TES fan-base over all others.  Screw MMO nomads (2-3mil) and screw DAOC players (250k).  Their numbers don't even come close to TES fans (15mil+) and they wouldn't be loyal to a TES game anyway.  TES fanbase was the only hope this game ever had of having a large, stable community for more than a few months.

GOOD JOB ZOS!

 

You sound exactly like a lot of SWTOR fanboi's prior to that launch.

I would temper that excitement a bit until we all actually see what that game is like. Many letdowns over the past several years.

Oh, no, I'm fully aware this thing is going F2P after a year at the most, but as a massive self-admitted TES fanboi, it is gonna be HELLA fun in the mean time.

 

Also...I've played 3 betas of ESO and am well aware of what I'm getting.

 
  JJ82

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1/30/14 10:56:57 PM#224
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by JJ82

1. WoW is an abomination. Congrats?

2. Warhammer was also made by another DaoC designer who built War around DaoC style gameplay. Sound familiar at all?

3. And I HATE YOU FOR DOING THIS, making it sound like I am defending SWTOR in any way, Making up lore where there is a gap, a little of it at that, is not CHANGING LORE. There was actually nothing in the timeframe of SWTOR lore wise and what they added did not conflict with lore after that timeframe.

So, 1 point of yours is wrong, and the other two points prove that TESO doing it is a BAD IDEA since the are following in Warhammers footsteps in far too many ways, as well as the thing that caused MMOs to become stagnant, WoW. Thanks for the help in proving me right. 

3. They pulled completely out of ass lore with Star Wars skin on it for gameplay purposes, but I guess it's that much different just so you can bash TESO. 

So, you have a mission, congrats?

Look at my post history, I cant STAND SWTOR.

Now tell me some of the things they changed with lore to make SWTOR.

And yes, my mission is to point out the lies, flaws and all around crappiness of any game I see attempting to lie to hide it, by misleading players or abusing IPs. Hell I loved SWG but I can say a lot that was bad about it, the entire Jedi idea was a massive mistake just as an example because the game was during a time when there were only a few Jedi that escaped the slaughter and most of them gave up their Jedi ways.

And as I pointed out, WoW was an abomination and War was made into the mess it was thanks to Former DaoC designers trying to recapture what they thought was glory, and now history is repeating itself with TESO.

You just don't like the fact that not everyone kisses up to developers every idiotic idea.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  JJ82

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1/30/14 11:04:29 PM#225
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by someforumguy

This. The free faction choice for a price makes their lore for this particilar game a joke. Just so they can sell a few extra pre orders?

Not to mention that this is day 1 DLC for a SUBBASED game. That is one step beyond day 1 DLC for a boxpriced game.  

You do realize that all sub games add extra races in expansion packs that cost money ON TOP OF the sub?

So Expansions are now the same as pre-orders. As I have pointed out before, people will excuse anything no matter what with the craziest excuses imaginable.

Wut? I dont even know how you managed to mix pre-orders to expansions with what I said. Ease on the hate a bit so you dont see things that are not there pal.

Right, you replied to someone pointing out that the CE is allowing faction choice as a pre-order with "sub games add extra races"  and after being pointed out that you are flat out wrong in your comparison you want to pretend you didn't do it. The quotes are right there^

Extra races in expansions have nothing to do with an extra race in a pre-order. One is an exclusive, the other comes with every purchase because its what the game is based off of, the expansion race, area and quests. Not even apples to oranges, more like apples to pizza.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  CazNeerg

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1/30/14 11:51:32 PM#226
Originally posted by Sovrath

quite frankly I think game companies should just keep quiet until they have their game set in stone. less complaining and crying.

Couldn't agree more.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
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  Lunarpac

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1/31/14 12:40:37 AM#227
What's with the whole "WoW does it, so it's okay then"-attitude?
  DAS1337

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1/31/14 12:52:37 AM#228

I can only assume that with the massive amount of reply's that this article has received, you are getting a ton of hate.  You deserve it too.

 

I should have stopped reading when you miss-used the word 'their'.  You shouldn't be a writer if you can't use there, they're and their correctly, hands down.  

 

I did stop reading however, when you outright lied about the Imperial race being just a vanity race.  You are flat out wrong.  You are lying.  Why?  Because the race has a UNIQUE SKILL LINE attached to it.  Note the word, unique.  Note that the race in question is a STAPLE to all TES games and it is being used as 'PRE-LAUNCH DLC'.  This isn't a pet that doesn't attack.  It's not some experience gaining item.  It's not a horse with just a skin.  It's a race that has unique skills attached to it, and you are paying for it.

 

I don't care if you like it or not.  But trying to pass yourself off as a writer by not knowing the English language and lying to everyone is nearly as unacceptable as the topic of your damn article.

 

I can only assume that rest of the article would have infuriated me even more.  I'm glad I stopped reading, and I'm making a note to ignore any other article that you write.  For my own sanity at least.

  Skeeter50

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1/31/14 1:05:13 AM#229
Originally posted by DAS1337

I can only assume that with the massive amount of reply's that this article has received, you are getting a ton of hate.  You deserve it too.

 

I should have stopped reading when you miss-used the word 'their'.  You shouldn't be a writer if you can't use there, they're and their correctly, hands down.  

 

I did stop reading however, when you outright lied about the Imperial race being just a vanity race.  You are flat out wrong.  You are lying.  Why?  Because the race has a UNIQUE SKILL LINE attached to it.  Note the word, unique.  Note that the race in question is a STAPLE to all TES games and it is being used as 'PRE-LAUNCH DLC'.  This isn't a pet that doesn't attack.  It's not some experience gaining item.  It's not a horse with just a skin.  It's a race that has unique skills attached to it, and you are paying for it.

 

I don't care if you like it or not.  But trying to pass yourself off as a writer by not knowing the English language and lying to everyone is nearly as unacceptable as the topic of your damn article.

 

I can only assume that rest of the article would have infuriated me even more.  I'm glad I stopped reading, and I'm making a note to ignore any other article that you write.  For my own sanity at least.

Races have a passive skill line and I hear may or may not have a ultimate.

Are you mad cause the Imperial is OP?(I have yet to see the passives of the Imperial)

Are you mad cause  you have a choice to make?

Do you hate choice in character building?

Are you banned from buying the CE?


 

  StarI

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1/31/14 1:21:11 AM#230

I read a forum thread about it at first and got slightly mad too. Than I went over on their site and read the description and said "hey this is not that bad. I don't care that much about imperials, there's planty of other choices and a part of people will level quicker than me anyway, exp bonus or not." So I bought a standard edition as I wouldn't mind starting 5 days earlier. It's TES, good or bad, I like IP enaugh to give it a go and even if I get only a month of fun out of it so be it, I've spent more for less fun. Besides a couple of friends of mine gave me good vibes after playing beta.

 

And I skipped BF4 and DayZ SA so I had some spare money anyway ...

  jbombard

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1/31/14 1:21:49 AM#231
Well the last thing I want to do is pay a subscription and then have to pay for microtransactions on top of it.  Especially for something as major as a race.  Bah bye ESO.  Just because WoW gets away with it doesn't mean anyone else can.  Look at SWTOR they thought they could sit on their asses taking their sweet time to get out new content(like WoW used to do) and that bit them in the ass so hard they had to turn F2P.   The rules aren't the same, WoW is an exception.  WoW could hit players in the head with a brick every time they log in and their fans would love it and call it the most innovative feature yet.  When you have a large base of addicts to buy your product you can get away with a lot more.
  Wolfshead

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1/31/14 1:26:36 AM#232
Originally posted by Wicoa

I don't have a problem with pets and mounts (cosmetic stuff) being sold in the shop. However a playable race thats only available to collectors editions just doesn't sit right with me. I was someone on the fence thinking about trying the game but Im going to pit the market against itself and see what Wildstar/SOE ALL PASS/WOD has to offer.

 

I think ESO is outrageously overpriced but thats okay I dont have to buy it.  If in one or two years time it is pitched at a better price (considering the subscription) I might have a go.  Until then, plenty more fish in the sea.  I fell for it once with swtor, never again.

 

IMHO they have priced themselves out of the market, there is no point in buying unless your a hardcore Scrolls fan.  NDA still in place and not many have seen the end game they have.

 

Sorry what is that make game overprice honest????

 

If i go to Elder scroll online homepage and order collector's edition is will cost me €75,30 and if buy on my country biggest game web sit it will cost me €139,51 and i wont get 5 early access & explorer's pack + monthly fee will cost me €11,74 in subscribe fee each month andl WoW cost me €12.99 in subscribe fee each month.

 

So yeah you can play race thats only available to collectors editions is this the only reason then you serious need to get over yourself and when come Wildstar we dont even know release date on it yet and WoD well it wont come until end of this year as early but with blizzard a 3rd cash shop button and sell free lvl 90 char boost soon in cash shop i dont see why anyone in there right mind will 1st pay €12.99 in subscribe fee each month and then extra to get lvl 90 char boost but i guess if you like to Pay to Skip game content go a head to play WoW where you dont need work get epic blizzard gave away epic like candy so yeah if you only problem is prize on a collectors editions and you use special race for you pay extra money then you more problem then most people have.

 

Beside no one is hold a gun to head and force you to pay €75,30 collectors editions you can always buy normal version of game too.

 

 
  User Deleted
1/31/14 1:28:51 AM#233
Gonna love the look on people's faces when, within a year, maybe a year and a half, they announce the game is going F2P or shutting down.
  Skeeter50

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1/31/14 1:32:54 AM#234
Originally posted by Dihoru
Gonna love the look on people's faces when, within a year, maybe a year and a half, they announce the game is going F2P or shutting down.

You love to see failing AAA games?

You should be banned from the community for that statement. Go buy a console and play some shitty $60 solo game with 2 days of content.

  Skeeter50

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1/31/14 1:34:18 AM#235
Originally posted by Dihoru
Gonna love the look on people's faces when, within a year, maybe a year and a half, they announce the game is going F2P or shutting down.

The truth of a hater.

  User Deleted
1/31/14 1:34:48 AM#236
Originally posted by Dihoru
Gonna love the look on people's faces when, within a year, maybe a year and a half, they announce the game is going F2P or shutting down.

Most of them wouldn't care anymore because they have moved on to the next big MMO.

  CazNeerg

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1/31/14 1:37:57 AM#237
Originally posted by Dihoru
Gonna love the look on people's faces when, within a year, maybe a year and a half, they announce the game is going F2P or shutting down.

You mean the look of a complete lack of surprise, because adding a free option is normal after a game is a few months old, and if done properly leads to massive amounts of revenue?

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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  primetheus

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1/31/14 1:50:04 AM#238

what i see so far by reading several forums is pretty mich a 50/50 slit on opinions ..now take into account alot of the negative posts are from people who have a phycological disorder that makes them burn any game that isnt the one they want to play .

and from reading this thread not too many people that were already gonna play ESO are that bothered either way

I feel this is just another bash for the sake of it and next week we will all be looking at new posts of non affection aimed elsewere

I also think you will find these CE things available some time after launch as a payed service feature i could be wrong but if they see alot of people upset why wouldnt they make it available and make some cash from it ..as many other mmo's have done and still do

  jbombard

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1/31/14 1:50:04 AM#239
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by Dihoru
Gonna love the look on people's faces when, within a year, maybe a year and a half, they announce the game is going F2P or shutting down.

You mean the look of a complete lack of surprise, because adding a free option is normal after a game is a few months old, and if done properly leads to massive amounts of revenue?

You mean like SWTOR?  They had record breaking sales, and if they could have maintained that growth rate by releasing content at a reasonable rate they could have reached subs and revenue that rivaled WoW.  Instead they screwed the pooch went F2P and now are making much less money than they could have.  

 

The reality is most F2P players never make a single purchase.  The vast majority of the ones that do are not reoccurring on a regular basis.  You need a whole lot more F2P players to get the same amount of revenue and even then it isn't nearly as stable.  On top of that you have to support a hell of a lot more players and that comes with all the additional overhead and costs cutting deeply into profit.  

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1/31/14 1:53:22 AM#240
Originally posted by primetheus

what i see so far by reading several forums is pretty mich a 50/50 slit on opinions ..now take into account alot of the negative posts are from people who have a phycological disorder that makes them burn any game that isnt the one they want to play .

and from reading this thread not too many people that were already gonna play ESO are that bothered either way

I feel this is just another bash for the sake of it and next week we will all be looking at new posts of non affection aimed elsewere

I also think you will find these CE things available some time after launch as a payed service feature i could be wrong but if they see alot of people upset why wouldnt they make it available and make some cash from it ..as many other mmo's have done and still do

Not sure.  I was at least on the fence and taking a wait and see attitude with the game.  But ?'d rather not support companies that don't respect their players.  So they would have to come up with some really impressive stuff to get me back on the fence with this double dip nonsense.  Obviously there were fans that were going to buy it no matter what, the people on the fence are the ones that may have issues with this kind of behavior by the devs.

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