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  Zapzap

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1/30/14 6:59:56 PM#21

I think your missing the big pros of Wildstar.  At least the pros to many that have followed the game for quite sometime.

 

1.  Difficulty/challenge  Carbine promises to bring back difficulty and challenge to the genre.

2.  Focus on endgame  For the last year Carbine has devoted 50% of their resources to developing endgame content.  They have said their focus is on endgame and they realize that makes or breaks a game.  Unlike most of these modern games that only care about box sales not longterm subs Wildstar is focused on the long term.

3.  40 Man raids  As raiding has gone easy mode the last 10 years Carbine is attempting to bring challenge and real difficulty back to raiding rather than the modern version where everyone wins just for showing up late.

4.  Changing raids  Raids will change weekly to keep guidls on their toes.  Boss X might get his room and enviorment changed next week, or he may get new abilities or new adds.

5.  Layers of content Paths, challenges, combat bonuses for quick kills, adventure, dungeons, group bonuses and so on.

6.  housing system with plugs, for dungeons achievements, utility and so on.  The housing systems looks to be pretty amazing.

7.  Wildstar's focus on appealing to traditional EQ1/Vanguard type veteran older players rather than the younger game hopping audience that many of these modern games reach out for  so they can make quick cash grabs.

In regards to ESO I have nothing bad to say about the game.  I hope it succeeds and I hope Wildstar succeeds as well.  A good game in the Elder Scrolls universe would be amazing.  That being said I have not followed it much.  I read their plans for endgame a year or so ago and it made me think, right or wrong, that endgame was not a focus.  I hope I am wrong about that.

 

 

  keithian

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1/30/14 7:00:02 PM#22

ESO: Designed for adults

Wildstar: Designed for kids or adults whose favorite channel is Nickelodean.

ESO: Exploration focused quest system. No complete hand holding.

Wildstar: Ridiculous pseudo Explorer Path reminiscent of Ratchet and Clank. Uses a leash to pull you to your next objective.

ESO: Artistry and graphics suitable for an Elder Scrolls Universe.

Wildstar: Artistry and graphics suitable for anyone with a Commodore 64 and higher.

ESO: Story, voice and quest tries to immerse you.

Wildstar: Wall of text similar to WOW to ignore.

ESO: More serious, mature tone.

Wildstar: Goofy tone.

ESO: Action based combat.

Wildstar: Action based but telegraphed dodge the red shapes on the ground combat.

There Is Always Hope!

  baphamet

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1/30/14 7:02:46 PM#23


Originally posted by TinglySidewinda

Originally posted by Fenia

Originally posted by TinglySidewinda

Originally posted by reeereee If this were three days ago I would jump in here and talk about how ESO will do so much better than Wildstar because anyone who wants to play a game like Wildstar is already playing WoW and no game has ever successfully put a dent in WoW.  But now with ESO's naked cash grab I have real doubts about ESO as well, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they both flopped.
Soooooooooo True   But atleast I can go watch Wildstar being played... I ve played ESO, I  think the hybrid skill system is cool but its limited by the amount of skills you can equip. 
since u have played ESO can u tell us how many skills can u use in combat and how many in wildstar?
ESO

5 SKills + an ult is on your bar.

Wildstar

21+ bar assignments... +2 PATH Skills (see youtube for explanation on paths)  based on what I can see from twitch.


so you didn't know you can weapon swap in ESO like you can in GW2?

  smokeybha

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Posts: 125

1/30/14 7:05:31 PM#24
Originally posted by keithian

ESO: Designed for adults

Wildstar: Designed for kids or adults whose favorite channel is Nickelodean.

ESO: Exploration focused quest system. No complete hand holding.

Wildstar: Ridiculous pseudo Explorer Path reminiscent of Ratchet and Clank. Uses a leash to pull you to your next objective.

ESO: Artistry and graphics suitable for an Elder Scrolls Universe.

Wildstar: Artistry and graphics suitable for anyone with a Commodore 64 and higher.

ESO: Story, voice and quest tries to immerse you.

Wildstar: Wall of text similar to WOW to ignore.

ESO: More serious, mature tone.

Wildstar: Goofy tone.

ESO: Action based combat.

Wildstar: Action based but telegraphed dodge the red shapes on the ground combat.

I believe there are green shapes for heals too? Frickin simon says... no thanks

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 3039

1/30/14 7:08:56 PM#25
Originally posted by smokeybha
Originally posted by keithian

ESO: Designed for adults

Wildstar: Designed for kids or adults whose favorite channel is Nickelodean.

ESO: Exploration focused quest system. No complete hand holding.

Wildstar: Ridiculous pseudo Explorer Path reminiscent of Ratchet and Clank. Uses a leash to pull you to your next objective.

ESO: Artistry and graphics suitable for an Elder Scrolls Universe.

Wildstar: Artistry and graphics suitable for anyone with a Commodore 64 and higher.

ESO: Story, voice and quest tries to immerse you.

Wildstar: Wall of text similar to WOW to ignore.

ESO: More serious, mature tone.

Wildstar: Goofy tone.

ESO: Action based combat.

Wildstar: Action based but telegraphed dodge the red shapes on the ground combat.

I believe there are green shapes for heals too? Frickin simon says... no thanks

I didn't know that LOL. Now its REALLY complex hehehe

There Is Always Hope!

  JemAs666

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Posts: 124

1/30/14 7:35:22 PM#26
lol
  User Deleted
1/30/14 7:38:28 PM#27
For me the only thing worth comparing is the combat, in which Wildstar wins hands down.
  DamonVile

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1/30/14 7:42:07 PM#28
Originally posted by evilastro
For me the only thing worth comparing is the combat, in which Wildstar wins hands down.

I never found " jump out of the red box" all that fun. They had neat skills..I guess but I spent most of my time just moving out of red boxes on the ground. It was really ..disappointing.

  Lokberg

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Joined: 12/24/05
Posts: 320

1/30/14 7:57:38 PM#29
Originally posted by TinglySidewinda
Originally posted by Fenia
Originally posted by TinglySidewinda
Originally posted by reeereee
If this were three days ago I would jump in here and talk about how ESO will do so much better than Wildstar because anyone who wants to play a game like Wildstar is already playing WoW and no game has ever successfully put a dent in WoW.  But now with ESO's naked cash grab I have real doubts about ESO as well, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they both flopped.

Soooooooooo True

 

But atleast I can go watch Wildstar being played... I ve played ESO, I  think the hybrid skill system is cool but its limited by the amount of skills you can equip. 

since u have played ESO can u tell us how many skills can u use in combat and how many in wildstar?

ESO

5 SKills + an ult is on your bar.

Wildstar

21+ bar assignments... +2 PATH Skills (see youtube for explanation on paths)  based on what I can see from twitch.

Guess you never got to the level when you can freely weaponswap bettwen two weapons giving you 10 skills and 2 ultis

oh well the more you know

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 3039

1/30/14 8:50:56 PM#30
Originally posted by Lokberg
Originally posted by TinglySidewinda
Originally posted by Fenia
Originally posted by TinglySidewinda
Originally posted by reeereee
If this were three days ago I would jump in here and talk about how ESO will do so much better than Wildstar because anyone who wants to play a game like Wildstar is already playing WoW and no game has ever successfully put a dent in WoW.  But now with ESO's naked cash grab I have real doubts about ESO as well, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they both flopped.

Soooooooooo True

 

But atleast I can go watch Wildstar being played... I ve played ESO, I  think the hybrid skill system is cool but its limited by the amount of skills you can equip. 

since u have played ESO can u tell us how many skills can u use in combat and how many in wildstar?

ESO

5 SKills + an ult is on your bar.

Wildstar

21+ bar assignments... +2 PATH Skills (see youtube for explanation on paths)  based on what I can see from twitch.

Guess you never got to the level when you can freely weaponswap bettwen two weapons giving you 10 skills and 2 ultis

oh well the more you know

Exactly, I prefer the swapping rather than the two rows which is the last I saw of the Wildstar UI, maybe it has changed since then. I find it so much easier to map ESO to my mouse buttons without having to look down at either the gaming mouse or keyboard. IMO ESO is better at having you look at the screen.

There Is Always Hope!

  deveilblad

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Joined: 4/25/13
Posts: 163

1/30/14 8:56:44 PM#31
Takes this information as you will (wink....wink...), but you can cross the lag from graphics in massive PvP from the Con list in ESO... And then I get ban for this reply...
  Randallt3mp

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 174

1/30/14 9:08:34 PM#32
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by reeereee
If this were three days ago I would jump in here and talk about how ESO will do so much better than Wildstar because anyone who wants to play a game like Wildstar is already playing WoW and no game has ever successfully put a dent in WoW.  But now with ESO's naked cash grab I have real doubts about ESO as well, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they both flopped.

 

a month after launch nobody is going to give a shit about pre-orders, most people probably don't give a shit now.

meanwhile, wildstar will continue to have cheesy cartoony graphics, no thanks, not my cup of tea.

sucks for you that all you care about is graphics. must be hard for you to find your perfect game.

But I guess thats how it is for some people. they just cant really handle settling down with something, they would just be more satisfied to search endlessly.

MMOs Played: FFXI,Age of Conan, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, GW2

Playing:None

Waiting For: Wildstar, The Repopulation, Archeage, TESO, Warhammer 40K:EC, EQN

  Rusque

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Posts: 1876

1/30/14 9:12:26 PM#33
Originally posted by TinglySidewinda

Elder Scrolls Online


Cons:

Lack of equipable skills

You have clearly not played TESO.

Lack of information / NDA (no streams on twitch)

Both are true, but how can you list these as cons of the game? Cons of marketing, but the game itself has nothing to do with these.

Preorder (whats the point of raced based factions if they can be played as any, with preorder, could lead to balancing issues at launch)

Again, not a con of the game itself. Some people are considering it a bad business decision because of upsetting players, but this won't cause balance issues.

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Wildstar

Pros


More open with its information, beta streaming on twitch daily

Again, marketing has nothing to do with the game itself. Yes, you are more informed and that makes you happy, but has no bearing on the quality of the game itself.

Gameplay looks better

. . . that's totally cool as your opinion, but really bizarre to list as a pro (or a con).

Simple graphics mean more players will be able to play in one area

Yes, but Wildstar doesn't have simple graphics. It has a stylized aesthetic, models are pretty high quality, as are environments and effects. Art style doesn't ruin/improve frames per second.

Server rivals/trash talk (Traditional servers)

No clue what you're talking about. Are you suggesting that rivalries and trash talking are unique to Wildstar?

Cons

Blatant personal preferences.

 

 Ultimately for me its gameplay that trumps, and I havent played Wildstar as of yet, but just watching people play the gameplay looks better.  I had zero interest until I actually got more information on WAR Plots....

I dont buy ESO's Cyrodill working with super limited skills... and high graphics in terms of mmos.  

As far as the games, I feel Wildstar is more open as a company.   Whereas ESO has something to hide. 

 

Gameplay wins for you. Good, it does for most of us. I've played both. No comment on which has superior combat.

ESO has super limited skills? Baskin Robbins has 1 flavor.

Wildstar isn't a company.

  Mackaveli44

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Posts: 130

1/30/14 9:15:26 PM#34
Originally posted by TinglySidewinda

Elder Scrolls Online

Pros:

Story

Cinematics

Graphics

Past Elderscrolls are part of world

Exploration

Voice Actors

Cons:

Lack of equipable skills

Lack of information

NDA (no streams on twitch)

Graphics may interfere with Cyrodill large scale pvp (lag)

Mega Server (Potentially a con, just ignore everyone outside your guild)

Preorder (whats the point of raced based factions if they can be played as any, with preorder, could lead to balancing issues at launch)

Mega Server (limited to building rivals)

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Wildstar

Pros

PVP leveling whole game

War Plots (40 vs 40 castles/raid bosses) (Best endgame pvp gear)

Server open pvp zones while leveling

More open with its information, beta streaming on twitch daily

Gameplay looks better

Simple graphics mean more players will be able to play in one area

Server rivals/trash talk (Traditional servers)

Cons

Story (Seems like a joke, some might like that)

Grave yard pvp

Cartoony

No world siege at launch (maybe later they said, no guarantee)

WOWish

 

 

 

Ultimately for me its gameplay that trumps, and I havent played Wildstar as of yet, but just watching people play the gameplay looks better.  I had zero interest until I actually got more information on WAR Plots....

I dont buy ESO's Cyrodill working with super limited skills... and high graphics in terms of mmos.  

As far as the games, I feel Wildstar is more open as a company.   Whereas ESO has something to hide. 

Wildstar = WoW 2.0, no thanks

ESO = Great graphics, fun combat, unique class building elements, maaaaaaaaaassive daoc style pvp and lots of horizontal character progression.  Call it biased, whatever.  I don't care.  I do know that Wildstar looks like shit to me.

  keithian

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1/30/14 9:36:20 PM#35
Originally posted by Randallt3mp
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by reeereee
If this were three days ago I would jump in here and talk about how ESO will do so much better than Wildstar because anyone who wants to play a game like Wildstar is already playing WoW and no game has ever successfully put a dent in WoW.  But now with ESO's naked cash grab I have real doubts about ESO as well, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they both flopped.

 

a month after launch nobody is going to give a shit about pre-orders, most people probably don't give a shit now.

meanwhile, wildstar will continue to have cheesy cartoony graphics, no thanks, not my cup of tea.

sucks for you that all you care about is graphics. must be hard for you to find your perfect game.

But I guess thats how it is for some people. they just cant really handle settling down with something, they would just be more satisfied to search endlessly.

Its 2014. I want great graphics and great gameplay, not one or the other. If I wanted bad graphics I'd go play an MMO on my Ipad.

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  Randallt3mp

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1/30/14 10:21:04 PM#36
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Randallt3mp
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by reeereee
If this were three days ago I would jump in here and talk about how ESO will do so much better than Wildstar because anyone who wants to play a game like Wildstar is already playing WoW and no game has ever successfully put a dent in WoW.  But now with ESO's naked cash grab I have real doubts about ESO as well, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they both flopped.

 

a month after launch nobody is going to give a shit about pre-orders, most people probably don't give a shit now.

meanwhile, wildstar will continue to have cheesy cartoony graphics, no thanks, not my cup of tea.

sucks for you that all you care about is graphics. must be hard for you to find your perfect game.

But I guess thats how it is for some people. they just cant really handle settling down with something, they would just be more satisfied to search endlessly.

Its 2014. I want great graphics and great gameplay, not one or the other. If I wanted bad graphics I'd go play an MMO on my Ipad.

Ya and i want games feed me and wipe my ass but it doesnt mean its gonna happen.  Theres a concept called balance with which you are obviously not familiar with.  A game can't have BF4++ style graphics and function as an MMO. It just isnt possible with current technology man.  Come back in 2020 maybe?  as for me I am willing to play a game which still has solid graphics it has a fun and engaging world and gameplay.  If you don't compromise you will never be happy.  Stay dissatisfied though...its up to you.

MMOs Played: FFXI,Age of Conan, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, GW2

Playing:None

Waiting For: Wildstar, The Repopulation, Archeage, TESO, Warhammer 40K:EC, EQN

  azzamasin

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1/30/14 10:29:02 PM#37

The only negative of Wildstar is it's graphics.  I can't stand the look of cartoony worlds it just doesn't suit me no matter how good the game is or can be.

 

For all the negatives of ESO, and god knows there are a ton, I would still rather play it because at least it looks nice.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  azzamasin

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1/30/14 10:32:46 PM#38
Originally posted by Randallt3mp
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Randallt3mp
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by reeereee
If this were three days ago I would jump in here and talk about how ESO will do so much better than Wildstar because anyone who wants to play a game like Wildstar is already playing WoW and no game has ever successfully put a dent in WoW.  But now with ESO's naked cash grab I have real doubts about ESO as well, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they both flopped.

 

a month after launch nobody is going to give a shit about pre-orders, most people probably don't give a shit now.

meanwhile, wildstar will continue to have cheesy cartoony graphics, no thanks, not my cup of tea.

sucks for you that all you care about is graphics. must be hard for you to find your perfect game.

But I guess thats how it is for some people. they just cant really handle settling down with something, they would just be more satisfied to search endlessly.

Its 2014. I want great graphics and great gameplay, not one or the other. If I wanted bad graphics I'd go play an MMO on my Ipad.

Ya and i want games feed me and wipe my ass but it doesnt mean its gonna happen.  Theres a concept called balance with which you are obviously not familiar with.  A game can't have BF4++ style graphics and function as an MMO. It just isnt possible with current technology man.  Come back in 2020 maybe?  as for me I am willing to play a game which still has solid graphics it has a fun and engaging world and gameplay.  If you don't compromise you will never be happy.  Stay dissatisfied though...its up to you.

Says my friends who keep trying to get me to play Minecraft, Terraria, Cubeworld, and Starbound.  Sorry looks are a huge part of my preference and I shouldn't have to compromise.  But that's fine if you enjoy looking at shitty graphics then more power to you.  I'll wait for developers to make good games that also look good and continue to play my oldies till then.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Entinerint

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1/30/14 10:33:18 PM#39

It's ESO for me.  I played the Wildstar beta and was not impressed.  Some interesting features but overall the world felt very shallow.

 

Not saying ESO is vastly superior (although ESO's combat IS vastly superior in almost every way to Wildstar's) but my love for TES and the fact that it's not nearly as goofy or cartoony is what does it for me.

  Lugors

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1/30/14 10:36:35 PM#40
So when do they start the open betas on both of these so we can actually make an informed comparison?
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