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  BillMurphy

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OP  1/30/14 6:45:30 AM#1

It’s crunch time at ZeniMax Online Studios. The developers can see the light at the end of the tunnel and it is a mob of consumers, some with pitchforks and torches, waiting to finally play their game. Due out on 4-4-14 for the PC and Mac version the Elder Scrolls Online is one of the most highly anticipated MMO’s to come out in years. But you all already know that.

Read on for the rest of Rob Lashley's Elder Scrolls Online: Thoughts on the Collector's Edition Controversy.

  JJ82

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1/30/14 11:25:53 AM#2

If anything they have provided a laurel leaf to the Elder Scrolls players that were upset about faction locks. Does this seem counter intuitive to the stance they took on faction locks originally? A little"

No. What it did was prove that everything they said about why they used the base game design was a complete and total lie.

Most TES fans that got upset about the game was WHY ISNT IT OPEN WORLD like TES games? We were told they HAD TO make it this way for realm pride and because MMOs require sacrifices.

It was all BS, like most people said and they PROVED it. Its not a laurel, its a carrot on a stick to lead us away from the real issue, a poor game design that was just shown to be worthless made by people with no intention of making a TES game, just a DaoC remake.

 

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  Wicoa

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1/30/14 11:29:49 AM#3

I don't have a problem with pets and mounts (cosmetic stuff) being sold in the shop. However a playable race thats only available to collectors editions just doesn't sit right with me. I was someone on the fence thinking about trying the game but Im going to pit the market against itself and see what Wildstar/SOE ALL PASS/WOD has to offer.

 

I think ESO is outrageously overpriced but thats okay I dont have to buy it.  If in one or two years time it is pitched at a better price (considering the subscription) I might have a go.  Until then, plenty more fish in the sea.  I fell for it once with swtor, never again.

 

IMHO they have priced themselves out of the market, there is no point in buying unless your a hardcore Scrolls fan.  NDA still in place and not many have seen the end game they have.

 

  rochrist

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1/30/14 11:30:24 AM#4
I actually think an awful lot of people would be pretty ecstatic with a modern DAoC remake. Just sayin
  SlyLoK

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1/30/14 11:31:15 AM#5
Originally posted by JJ82

" If anything they have provided a laurel leaf to the Elder Scrolls players that were upset about faction locks. Does this seem counter intuitive to the stance they took on faction locks originally? A little"

No. What it did was prove that everything they said about why they used the base game design was a complete and total lie.

Most TES fans that got upset about the game was WHY ISNT IT OPEN WORLD like TES games? We were told they HAD TO make it this way for realm pride and because MMOs require sacrifices.

It was all BS, like most people said and they PROVED it. Its not a laurel, its a carrot on a stick to lead us away from the real issue, a poor game design that was just shown to be worthless made by people with no intention of making a TES game, just a DaoC remake.

No. It just means they heard what some people said and their dislike of the faction lock. And with a simple preorder they can now do what they wanted. The faction lock was originally there to keep one faction from being vastly more populated than the others.

The only controversy is coming from the people that have always bashed on TESO no matter what.. Now that they offer the option its " OMGZ what they said before was a LIE!111!!1! ".

 
  jacktors

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1/30/14 11:32:31 AM#6
Originally posted by Wicoa

I don't have a problem with pets and mounts generally cosmetic stuff being sold in the shop. However a playable race thats only available to collectors editions just doesn't sit right with me. I was someone on the fence thinking about trying the game but Im going to pit the market against itself and see what Wildstar/SOE ALL PASS/WOD has to offer.

 

I also think ESO is outrageously overpriced but thats okay I dont have to buy it.  If in one or two years time it is pitched at a better price (considering the subscription) I might have a go, until then plenty more fish in the sea.

 

IMHO they have priced themselves out of the market, theres no point in buying unless your a hardcore Scrolls fan.  NDA still in place and not many have seen the end game they have in place.

 I agree with your statement. I couldn't have said it better myself. So I will not try. 

 

 
  MMOGamer71

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1/30/14 11:37:04 AM#7

Comparing a playable race locked behind a pay gate is not the same as a WoW Sparkle Pony.  You should have compared it to MoP which required the CE to play the new Panda race, oh it wasn't required.

 

We the customer allowed this to happen.

 

The "issue" with MMO development is that there are TOO MANY suits and not enough gamers making games.

  onlinenow25

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1/30/14 11:37:10 AM#8
Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by JJ82

" If anything they have provided a laurel leaf to the Elder Scrolls players that were upset about faction locks. Does this seem counter intuitive to the stance they took on faction locks originally? A little"

No. What it did was prove that everything they said about why they used the base game design was a complete and total lie.

Most TES fans that got upset about the game was WHY ISNT IT OPEN WORLD like TES games? We were told they HAD TO make it this way for realm pride and because MMOs require sacrifices.

It was all BS, like most people said and they PROVED it. Its not a laurel, its a carrot on a stick to lead us away from the real issue, a poor game design that was just shown to be worthless made by people with no intention of making a TES game, just a DaoC remake.

No. It just means they heard what some people said and their dislike of the faction lock. And with a simple preorder they can now do what they wanted. The faction lock was originally there to keep one faction from being vastly more populated than the others.

The only controversy is coming from the people that have always bashed on TESO no matter what.. Now that they offer the option its " OMGZ what they said before was a LIE!111!!1! ".

 

But it was a lie.

 

If they were doing a service to everyone they wouldn't be locking content behind a pay gate or pre-order they would made all races playable by everyone.  I say content because each race is suppose to have their own skill line.  

 

If it turns out that all races don't have their own skill line and its simply cosmetic its no big deal.  Otherwise its paying for extra content.

  lizardbones

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1/30/14 11:38:27 AM#9

It's been 48 hours and I'm still not convinced there's any real controversy that could be described as anything more than a tempest in a tea-cup.

 

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  BeansnBread

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1/30/14 11:40:53 AM#10
Originally posted by lizardbones

It's been 48 hours and I'm still not convinced there's any real controversy that could be described as anything more than a tempest in a tea-cup.

It's technically been closer to 24 hours, but whatever.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  lizardbones

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1/30/14 11:42:36 AM#11
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by lizardbones

It's been 48 hours and I'm still not convinced there's any real controversy that could be described as anything more than a tempest in a tea-cup.

It's technically been closer to 24 hours, but whatever.

 

I was quoting the article.  I have no idea how long it's been.  That's how much of a controversy I don't think this is.

 

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Wicoa

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1/30/14 11:44:25 AM#12
Originally posted by lizardbones

It's been 48 hours and I'm still not convinced there's any real controversy that could be described as anything more than a tempest in a tea-cup.

 

There is no teacup.

I don't think there is any controversy, most people posting here haven't really been up in arms nor do I see many pitch forks. Just simple answers leading to:

"I am happy to buy this game."

or

"I will skip this one and see what else floats my boat."

Good luck to both!

 

 

  BeansnBread

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1/30/14 11:46:32 AM#13
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by lizardbones

It's been 48 hours and I'm still not convinced there's any real controversy that could be described as anything more than a tempest in a tea-cup.

It's technically been closer to 24 hours, but whatever.

I was quoting the article.  I have no idea how long it's been.  That's how much of a controversy I don't think this is.

We'll see. It hasn't been very long. Hopefully after launch they'll release pre-order numbers like most people do. I think it'll have a negative impact, but I also think they're going to probably sell more boxes than SWTOR in the first week. They've got a great IP and a pretty good game. But I think a lot people are uncomfortable with their business practices.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Tierless

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1/30/14 11:49:49 AM#14
Whats to think about? It's a pathetic attempt to suck cash from the FANS that made your IP. I wonder if we will have to purchase the ability to walk too...

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  JJ82

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1/30/14 11:51:23 AM#15
Originally posted by SlyLoK

No. It just means they heard what some people said and their dislike of the faction lock. And with a simple preorder they can now do what they wanted. The faction lock was originally there to keep one faction from being vastly more populated than the others.

The only controversy is coming from the people that have always bashed on TESO no matter what.. 

 

Funny how DaoC had population issues so bad to the point they had player protests over a year after release and Mark Jacobs spoke about the mistakes in several CU interviews.

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/nowhere-is-the-population-imbalance-worse-then-lancelot-server-please-mythic.250443421/

Its also funny how ESOs own support base lists "When we decided to put a heavy PvP system into ESO, where there is a massive faction war, we wanted those factions to mean something." as their reason for racial faction locks.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
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  Kendane

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1/30/14 11:55:12 AM#16

I honestly don't see much of a problem here. I mean you can pre-order a game and after people break NDA or after its lifted you hear something that turns you off from the game, you can always cancel the pre-order. As for having to get the collectors edition to play as an Imperial, doesn't that really just affect those that want to play an Imperial? I mean several people are far more interested in playing Dark Elves, Argonians, or even in the human department you have Red Guard, Nord and Bretons. 

My biggest issue with all of this was I was kind of hoping to have each faction look distinct. But rather than racewise I was hoping more along the lines of DAoC where you have classes that almost mirror each other but each having a distinct difference.

  Caskio

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1/30/14 11:56:51 AM#17

It is like these people haven't bought in an MMO in the last 10 years.  This is nothing new.

The way I see it is whether you like or not, the fact your talking about it means you want it, but don't want to pay for it.  So they are going to leave it as is so that you end up breaking down and buying it anyways.

[mod edit]  I'm just fine shelling out the money for the imperial edition, even if I don't actually create an imperial as my main.

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  CazNeerg

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1/30/14 11:57:13 AM#18
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Comparing a playable race locked behind a pay gate is not the same as a WoW Sparkle Pony.  You should have compared it to MoP which required the CE to play the new Panda race, oh it wasn't required.

 We the customer allowed this to happen. 

In a certain sense, it's exactly the same.  Both are completely optional elements which you only have to pay for if you want to make use of them, with your other choice being to save money if they don't interest you.

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1/30/14 12:01:11 PM#19
Originally posted by Caskio

It is like these people haven't bought in an MMO in the last 10 years.  This is nothing new.

The way I see it is whether you like or not, the fact your talking about it means you want it, but don't want to pay for it.  So they are going to leave it as is so that you end up breaking down and buying it anyways.

[mod edit]  I'm just fine shelling out the money for the imperial edition, even if I don't actually create an imperial as my main.

I am going to get the digital imperial myself. Funny enough, I am not playing an Imperial either. I always get a collector's whenever there is a mount.[mod edit] The game has come a long way since the first time I played at PAX. 

  Miblet

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1/30/14 12:01:54 PM#20
Originally posted by SlyLoK

The only controversy is coming from the people that have always bashed on TESO no matter what.. Now that they offer the option its " OMGZ what they said before was a LIE!111!!1! ".

I actually defended the game in the past and was looking forward to it's release before this.

I am now undecided.

Is it just because of this?  No (though it is a part).

There are other things, but since I am not breaking NDA I am labelled poor, or troll, hater or entitled, and if I was to break NDA my word wouldn't be worth anything to those labeling others now.

 

As people have said it's their money to do with as they wish.  If they want to play and this doesn't concern them more power to them, I hope the find a home in TESO.  However equally I can choose what to spend my money on and equally express my displeasure here at the current situation until MMORPG.com closes my account.

Trust me, Zenimax doesn't need people defending their honor on internet forums.  I think they'll be OK regardless of the opinion of a video game forum one way or another.

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