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  Butch808

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Joined: 9/16/09
Posts: 323

1/21/14 12:51:59 PM#41
While gw2 has it's issues I'm not sure sure where all the hate for gw2 comes from, it's not a bad mmo by any means.
  clumsytoes44

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Joined: 4/25/12
Posts: 390

1/21/14 12:56:28 PM#42
It's not bad, but not as great as they(arenanet) try and make you believe it is. But again this is my opinion.
  Sandvich

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 40

1/21/14 12:59:29 PM#43
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

 

In this era of DVRs and VOD sure, you can watch reruns but that dodges the point (albeit cleverly, I'll give you that). Think of it this way... ever see Elvis or the Beatles in concert? Would you like to? The problem is no one can anymore... that content was temporary and the best we can do is see old recordings, we can't go back and relive the experience. My kids have picked up the Living Story well after Elvis and the Beatles were around, but pick it up they have and they go forward from there. 

  Sandvich

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 40

1/21/14 1:01:25 PM#44
Originally posted by FarmWars2

Colin seems a little delusional about his game. I primarily hear negative comments about the Living Story and direction of the game. The new Wurm and giant Clockwork feel recycled and there's fear the new Wurm will end up like Teq; only run by dedicated guilds.

In addition, they seem to do cash grabs in the gem shop with subpar items (the ability to turn gold into gems is no longer a selling point as the rate is so poor you have to grind a lot to get anything out of it). What seemed to have such potential seems to have changed into something most people didn't expect. Keep your eyes peeled for new MMOs being released this year.

 

 

In these forums ANet could put out the greatest story since stories were first told and the usual bunch would come in and say it sucks. Not everyone likes every aspect of every part of the story so far, but many like a lot of it as well. When given nothing but extremes, the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.

  Soki123

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Joined: 8/10/08
Posts: 1310

1/21/14 1:05:43 PM#45
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

 

In this era of DVRs and VOD sure, you can watch reruns but that dodges the point (albeit cleverly, I'll give you that). Think of it this way... ever see Elvis or the Beatles in concert? Would you like to? The problem is no one can anymore... that content was temporary and the best we can do is see old recordings, we can't go back and relive the experience. My kids have picked up the Living Story well after Elvis and the Beatles were around, but pick it up they have and they go forward from there. 

This shouldn t be in a game, ever. Comparing this to TV is trivial IMO. Why should I not have access to everything, It was a dumb design decision IMO, as many people I know that played GW2, will not return because of that. I guess they know whats best though.

  Reizlanzer

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Joined: 6/04/04
Posts: 449

"Pain is only a pulse if you just stop feeling it."

1/21/14 1:10:54 PM#46

I might participate in this event, and use it to gauge whether or not I uninstall. My reasoning is because I haven't liked the story to date. I see so much potential though for this amazing episodic week after week (bi-weekly anyways) content injection that could be a major sticking point for not just GW2 or MMO gaming but a standard for how "it's done".

What we get, is this sub-par set of small events and time wasters. There are a few notables though, mainly the Clocktower and Liadri. For casual and not "epic win" encounters, there was the city with the sails for a month (forgive me for not remembering the name) which was simply breathtaking. Every other "major" story event, especially the ones involving Scarlet even in the most remote way (Flame and Frost) have been yawn inducing.

If what they are saying here, is that this story is their crowning achievement to date and they are literally excited to be a part of what is to come...

I'll give it a shot man, but not this first part... I don't care about their version of boss fights anymore - I just don't.

People think it's fun to pretend your a monster. Me I spend my life pretending I'm not. - Dexter Morgan

  User Deleted
1/21/14 1:11:40 PM#47

Cool idea. Bad writing. (IMHO)

  Sandvich

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 40

1/21/14 1:29:44 PM#48
Originally posted by Soki123
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

 

In this era of DVRs and VOD sure, you can watch reruns but that dodges the point (albeit cleverly, I'll give you that). Think of it this way... ever see Elvis or the Beatles in concert? Would you like to? The problem is no one can anymore... that content was temporary and the best we can do is see old recordings, we can't go back and relive the experience. My kids have picked up the Living Story well after Elvis and the Beatles were around, but pick it up they have and they go forward from there. 

This shouldn t be in a game, ever. Comparing this to TV is trivial IMO. Why should I not have access to everything, It was a dumb design decision IMO, as many people I know that played GW2, will not return because of that. I guess they know whats best though.

 

 

What happens in games like WoW, where you have access to, for example, Burning Crusade raids forever? The old content stagnates, dies and is never revisited again. I can imagine that some people think that's better... having all that wasted real estate simply available even though no one goes there ever again, but I for one don't. 

  Sandvich

Novice Member

Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 40

1/21/14 1:32:47 PM#49
Originally posted by Reizlanzer

I might participate in this event, and use it to gauge whether or not I uninstall. My reasoning is because I haven't liked the story to date. I see so much potential though for this amazing episodic week after week (bi-weekly anyways) content injection that could be a major sticking point for not just GW2 or MMO gaming but a standard for how "it's done".

What we get, is this sub-par set of small events and time wasters. There are a few notables though, mainly the Clocktower and Liadri. For casual and not "epic win" encounters, there was the city with the sails for a month (forgive me for not remembering the name) which was simply breathtaking. Every other "major" story event, especially the ones involving Scarlet even in the most remote way (Flame and Frost) have been yawn inducing.

If what they are saying here, is that this story is their crowning achievement to date and they are literally excited to be a part of what is to come...

I'll give it a shot man, but not this first part... I don't care about their version of boss fights anymore - I just don't.

 

 

Ah yes, the Zephyr Sanctum! That was gorgeous indeed. It'll be back again in the future though. When it does come back I'll bet people flock to it like they did last time. 

 

However, I suspect that if it was still there and never left it would be scarcely populated and mostly forgotten in lieu of newer content.

  dontadow

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Joined: 12/29/03
Posts: 1048

1/21/14 1:45:51 PM#50
Originally posted by Soki123
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

 

In this era of DVRs and VOD sure, you can watch reruns but that dodges the point (albeit cleverly, I'll give you that). Think of it this way... ever see Elvis or the Beatles in concert? Would you like to? The problem is no one can anymore... that content was temporary and the best we can do is see old recordings, we can't go back and relive the experience. My kids have picked up the Living Story well after Elvis and the Beatles were around, but pick it up they have and they go forward from there. 

This shouldn t be in a game, ever. Comparing this to TV is trivial IMO. Why should I not have access to everything, It was a dumb design decision IMO, as many people I know that played GW2, will not return because of that. I guess they know whats best though.

Why can't we compare entertainment to enterainment. Okay, lets compare it to a Call of Duty Game.  I had an epic battle 2 weeks ago. No matter what I do, even if i go to the same maps, there is no way we're going to get those players, on that map, in that condition with those obstacles again.  IN a living world, like GW2 (and other MMOs ) are suppose to be, the world is suppose to change and things of the past should be of the past.

If anything GW2 needs to do more of it, more of what they said from the beginnig.I want different enemies and dynamic events routinely in new areas. I want it to Feel like MTG where every 3 months its a new environment, the game changes and we have to adapt to the world. 

  dontadow

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Joined: 12/29/03
Posts: 1048

1/21/14 1:50:21 PM#51
Originally posted by Reizlanzer

I might participate in this event, and use it to gauge whether or not I uninstall. My reasoning is because I haven't liked the story to date. I see so much potential though for this amazing episodic week after week (bi-weekly anyways) content injection that could be a major sticking point for not just GW2 or MMO gaming but a standard for how "it's done".

What we get, is this sub-par set of small events and time wasters. There are a few notables though, mainly the Clocktower and Liadri. For casual and not "epic win" encounters, there was the city with the sails for a month (forgive me for not remembering the name) which was simply breathtaking. Every other "major" story event, especially the ones involving Scarlet even in the most remote way (Flame and Frost) have been yawn inducing.

If what they are saying here, is that this story is their crowning achievement to date and they are literally excited to be a part of what is to come...

I'll give it a shot man, but not this first part... I don't care about their version of boss fights anymore - I just don't.

They strongly need to redo the personal story before they come out with another "edition".  Update it to the point where the current living story is. Better cut scenes, better "end" battle and skew the dialogue and missions to represent more of "me" and less of the Sylvan guy. 

Ironically, this is the major problem stale content, it dates the game and becomes negative marketing. I first  personal story sucks (and this isn't even until after level 40 or 50).  But it's always there in the game, even as the living story has made a more dynamic story telling exprience. Of course, this is for those of us who cares. As noted there are people whose sole thing seemed to be (in any game) to grind, grind, grind.

  zasten

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Joined: 5/01/13
Posts: 287

1/21/14 2:08:29 PM#52
I gave up on living story when Scarlet made it her mission to target me even though I was nowhere near the actual event. I consider it rather pathetic when you are not participating in an event for the actual boss to appear out of nowhere and attack a play just because they happen to be on the same map.
  Soki123

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Joined: 8/10/08
Posts: 1310

1/21/14 2:43:08 PM#53
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Soki123
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

 

In this era of DVRs and VOD sure, you can watch reruns but that dodges the point (albeit cleverly, I'll give you that). Think of it this way... ever see Elvis or the Beatles in concert? Would you like to? The problem is no one can anymore... that content was temporary and the best we can do is see old recordings, we can't go back and relive the experience. My kids have picked up the Living Story well after Elvis and the Beatles were around, but pick it up they have and they go forward from there. 

This shouldn t be in a game, ever. Comparing this to TV is trivial IMO. Why should I not have access to everything, It was a dumb design decision IMO, as many people I know that played GW2, will not return because of that. I guess they know whats best though.

 

 

What happens in games like WoW, where you have access to, for example, Burning Crusade raids forever? The old content stagnates, dies and is never revisited again. I can imagine that some people think that's better... having all that wasted real estate simply available even though no one goes there ever again, but I for one don't. 

Simple, do what games like FFXI do, Give reasons to go back to them, not just take them away. I still think, and always will think is a dumb decision. Obviously, a lot of people do, or we wouldn t even be having this conversation.

  User Deleted
1/21/14 2:45:48 PM#54

Living story?

Um... no! And no. What universe? When? How? No! Just no.

  Tibernicuspa

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1/21/14 2:57:46 PM#55

This would be all interesting and well and good (and the way all MMOs should be moving forward) if there was any actual consequence or challenge to this game.

 

But with no death penalty, everything scaling, everything being super casual...the story has little to no meaning. AC1 did a similar thing, except they weren't scared to wipe out the major player hub city as an event, after the players failed to stop the villain.

  Arthasm

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1/21/14 3:51:03 PM#56
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Soki123
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

 

In this era of DVRs and VOD sure, you can watch reruns but that dodges the point (albeit cleverly, I'll give you that). Think of it this way... ever see Elvis or the Beatles in concert? Would you like to? The problem is no one can anymore... that content was temporary and the best we can do is see old recordings, we can't go back and relive the experience. My kids have picked up the Living Story well after Elvis and the Beatles were around, but pick it up they have and they go forward from there. 

This shouldn t be in a game, ever. Comparing this to TV is trivial IMO. Why should I not have access to everything, It was a dumb design decision IMO, as many people I know that played GW2, will not return because of that. I guess they know whats best though.

 

 

What happens in games like WoW, where you have access to, for example, Burning Crusade raids forever? The old content stagnates, dies and is never revisited again. I can imagine that some people think that's better... having all that wasted real estate simply available even though no one goes there ever again, but I for one don't. 

Wrong. They are alive much more than CoF path 1 in GW2. People farm it for transmog gear, legendary, mounts. Oh, and they added some unique pets available only in old raids. Plus, people doing it for personal or guild achievement and there are twinks guild doing old content. Far from dead and stagnate, I'm afraid.

  TiamatRoar

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1/21/14 4:22:26 PM#57

Hmm... comparing a VIdeogame like GW to a TV (which stands for teleVIsion) series, or comparing it to a live Elvis concert.  I wonder which comparison is likely more valid.

 

(Hint: It's the first one)

 
Seriously, why the hell would the vast majority of new people (or old people who missed it) think having content that they can never ever try be a good thing?
 
Even that Call of Duty comparison falls flat on its face. Yes, you can never have that exact same match up again (which is false. You actually could find those players, invite them for another game on that same map, and do it again) but at least you'll have the memory of that match up.  There's no memory for you if you've missed that content in GW.
 
(...again though, that's false. It is quite possible to replay good times in Call of Duty.  Unlike GW2's living story)
  Lokberg

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1/21/14 4:35:53 PM#58
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Soki123
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

 

In this era of DVRs and VOD sure, you can watch reruns but that dodges the point (albeit cleverly, I'll give you that). Think of it this way... ever see Elvis or the Beatles in concert? Would you like to? The problem is no one can anymore... that content was temporary and the best we can do is see old recordings, we can't go back and relive the experience. My kids have picked up the Living Story well after Elvis and the Beatles were around, but pick it up they have and they go forward from there. 

This shouldn t be in a game, ever. Comparing this to TV is trivial IMO. Why should I not have access to everything, It was a dumb design decision IMO, as many people I know that played GW2, will not return because of that. I guess they know whats best though.

 

 

What happens in games like WoW, where you have access to, for example, Burning Crusade raids forever? The old content stagnates, dies and is never revisited again. I can imagine that some people think that's better... having all that wasted real estate simply available even though no one goes there ever again, but I for one don't. 

Wrong. They are alive much more than CoF path 1 in GW2. People farm it for transmog gear, legendary, mounts. Oh, and they added some unique pets available only in old raids. Plus, people doing it for personal or guild achievement and there are twinks guild doing old content. Far from dead and stagnate, I'm afraid.

How long ago did you play gw2 mate,  was quite afew months since people only ran cof p1.

They changed the reward system so that you  gain a daily gold each path for most dungeons more for arah the reworked twilight arbor path and 50% more for all three ascalonian catacombs path ( i guess since its reworked too and get people to run first dungeon with new blood )

  Vutar

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1/21/14 5:16:04 PM#59
I for one am excited about this info. It clearly lets me know that re-installing the game anytime soon would be an absolute waste of space on my hard drive. I am glad Anet let me know early on to look elsewhere for mmorpg entertainment. That was quite thoughtful of them.
  Banquetto

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1/21/14 5:22:05 PM#60
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Sandvich
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Question:  If you "jump in" now for the final parts, but didn't see the previous parts, can you still go back and do the story from the beginning?  Isn't the Living Story content temporary?

You can't go back to the beginning, no, much of that content has come and gone (like a TV series for example). Some elements remain behind, but in it's entirety, no. However, you can jump in now and ride the story from this point on... this one is supposed to begin giving insight into what makes Scarlett click. 

 

They did put together a recap of the Story to date, however...

But i can re watch TV series when ever i like. Bad comparison.

They should release the old chapters of living story as DL content for people like me who were busy with real life and couldn't attend the story every month as well as new players who would join now and have no idea what is going on in GW2 world.

Am I the only one that finds this infinitely depressing?

You honestly don't want an MMORPG to change over time? You want it to remain a fixed static experience that you can jump into now, last year, next year, and get exactly the same content?

Please, just go and play single-player games.

I don't want to say that GW2 is doing a perfect job of their "Living Story", but I really, really want all future MMORPG developers to be thinking "how can we make our world constantly changing?", not "oh shit, we better never make any permanent changes because people will whine."

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