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  Zzulu

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1/18/14 11:51:30 AM#121

Haven't heard of any of these games except Dust514 and I expected that one to be a failure the moment the devs announced it wasn't coming out for the PC. C'mon CCP, EVE is a 100% PC game and then you follow it up with a console exclusive tie-in? What the hell

 

Also not a shocker that CCP managed to make another game with dull gameplay. They seem to be masters at the art of dullness

  Karahandras

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1/18/14 11:57:14 AM#122
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Asamof
Originally posted by dancingstar
Originally posted by jbombard
Originally posted by karmath

No mention of the swtor? The fastest game to go ftp from a sub model ever and had to have content post launch cut because the engine lagged so horribly? Eh, dem advertising monies I suppose.

Actually I thought the Secret World beat them on fastest.  Granted at the time SWTOR went F2P it may have been fastest by TSW went F2P the following month and they released a few months after SWTOR if I remember correctly.

TSW lasted < 6 months as sub only (start of July 2012 to 12.12.12) but it isn't F2P, you still have to actually buy the base game in order to play it. 

Also TSW was a more earnest effort in making an interesting MMO

TOR was a lazy and greedy cash grab that didn't pay off in the end like EA thought it would

 Tor was by no means a lazy cash grab, remember EA invested 750,000,000 dollars in buying Bioware and then roughly another 200,000,000 dollars producing that garbage known as SWTOR. This game truly shows that more money does not mean a better title.

Also add the $150,000,000 marketing etc budget.

But kind of moot as swtor released 2012 not 2013

(Also i think ea paid more than 800mil for bioware)

 
  Karahandras

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1/18/14 12:01:16 PM#123
Originally posted by Krighton

There are 30 more just as bad if not worse on the virus all the little kids call STEAM! (yo dog, I thought you'd like a launcher to launcher your game, while looking for more games while you're launching your games)

Such garbage. All the greenlight crap is well..crap and if you're a desperate company, you go steam. If you're game is failing after youve spent millions, it goes to steam. For a steep discount.

The top games, won't ever be found on steam. Period.

This list, is on point. all garbage. Reminds me of these horrible knock off movies that people make. Why waste 4 mos of your life making a shit movie that was already done, 100x better and hit the theatre? Why? It's embarrasing.

 

Whilst I agree with the sentiment(don't forget the inbuilt mal/spyware in steamworks)

Steam now has such a large market share(probably not far off an effective monopoly) that companies no longer really have a choice but to try and launch on steam.

  Karahandras

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1/18/14 12:02:38 PM#124
Originally posted by Gruug
Originally posted by Raventree
I'm bummed to see Dust 514 on there.  The concept was so fantastic and revolutionary that I really was hoping for something great from CCP.  I considered buying a PS3 just to play, until the reviews started coming in.  They could save this one with some big changes, but it seems very unlikely they would scale back the buy to win and inject some better graphics and fun into this one.

 

It might have worked better had they decided to put it on PC instead of console.

 

 

+1

  Lam3zor

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1/18/14 12:27:11 PM#125

really disagree with wizardry online being on this list.

sure, it is repeatitive just like many more mmorpgs we have all played(if not most of them), but gameplay and mechanics-wise i had enjoyed it far more than many other games i played in recent years.

 

when i finally stopped playing(about a month ago. and this is the only time i'm not sure ill come back) it was because it seems SOE really cares nothing for it leading to a far too small player base. heck, most if not all publicity for this game is done by the community. in the time after this game was released the only articles i've noticed on any site that dealt with it were biased or "why am i being forced to play this" reviews where the game was smacked for not having "next gen graphics" or "being too hard"(i mean honestly getting gold isnt at all as hard as described once you reach level 8, and even as a solo mage,which is the hardest class to start out with in this game, i could go as far as the 5th dungeon purely on my own). 

its a gem that was stashed away in someone's torn pocket and ended up falling threw a sewage drain.

  Moirae

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1/18/14 12:44:09 PM#126

 


Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally
posted by SBFord

Originally posted by karmath No mention of the swtor? The fastest game to go ftp from a sub model ever and had to have content post launch cut because the engine lagged so horribly? Eh, dem advertising monies I suppose.  
It's not on this list because it wasn't released in 2013. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with advertising dollars. *facepalms*
  Also compared to this list SWTOR is the messiah of online gaming.  I mean really, we get it.  You were disappointed with SWTOR, or it wasn't the game you wanted it to be, but to claim that it comes anywhere near the epic badness of the games listed in this column is laughable and complete trolling. Try to be a little bit objective guys.  Blind hatred just makes you look foolish.  
Well to be fair SWTOR did have some of the shittiest game-play due to so many bugs and glitches within the game. Making some classes nearly worthless. When they finally fixed everything the game went F2P and is now just a cash shop to milk the remaining cash cows.
What bugs and glitches? I've played since the second week of beta and I'm calling bull on this one. Yes, there were some but not that many. There will ALWAYS be some, no matter which game we are talking about. Most games are still fixing bugs and glitches many years after the game is released. 

 

 


Originally posted by Tuchaka

 

I am seriously waiting for the first person that works here to admit this genre is on life support and nothing good has happened in a really long time, yes i have left my house recently i am serious. I honestly feel like mugatu from zoolander when he is screaming about crazy pills because all of derek's looks are exactly like blue steel.

 The worst MMO's and the best MMO's might as well be the same list its a bunch of wow clones that had to go F2P or they would be gone (yunno start with a subscription ) you get a bunch of people that wanna try out the 'new' game you start winning awards even though your population is dwindling, then you offer free mounts and hats or something......

Then you have the indie project's which many of us are getting all hyped up about and are always disappointed because they never live to to the hype etc.

 MMO's cost too much to make hence why nothing innovative is going on...i could freeze myself in time and come back in 5 years and nothing will have changed.


 

That is the single truest post I've seen on this forum in along time. 

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As a separate issue from the above posts.... I really think its time to consider AAA games and games from AAA developers as separate from browser games. They are not remotely the same creature. 

  Theocritus

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1/18/14 1:36:41 PM#127
Seems like they should have crucified some of the bigger names rather than going after the small niche games but it is what it is......Wizardry online was the one I played the most and yeah it was flat out awful......Scarlet Blade we all knew was a total joke so it should be on the list.....THe one I thought should be there too is NEverwinter.....That game should have been alot better.
  Taiyoh

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1/18/14 4:44:51 PM#128
While I agree with most of these on the list, I really am growing tired of World of Warcraft always being used as a way to say games are bad, like it's a bad game itself.
  43%burnt

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1/18/14 4:47:03 PM#129

The list is missing Final Fantasy XIV and Neverwinter.

And while the "best of" list was filled with games that were released years ago, here we get padding via random faceless asia grinders. At least put SOME work into them.

  Nephaerius

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1/18/14 4:53:17 PM#130
Originally posted by jagd1
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
Originally posted by Nephaerius

Also Dust was never promised to be an MMO, only to have connections through gameplay to an existing one, and definitely is a lobby shooter at its core so while the game is crap I don't understand why it's on the list.

 

Because CCP claimed it is massively multiplayer  ?  http://dust514.com/  what do you see there ?

DUST 514® – a massively multiplayer shooter

 

I dont get the logic that these people use to defend CCP  , and this is another while CCP says it massively multiplayer . Blame CCP  .

Idc what the site says it's not an MMO by any stretch of the imagination.  Defiance I'd consider and MMO shooter. Dust 514 doesn't have any persistence whatsoever outside of equipment and levels.  It would be like if this site had Warframe listed as an MMO.

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  Riveran21

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1/18/14 5:30:03 PM#131
"10.) Wizardry Online

On paper, Wizardry Online is a hardcore player’s dream, so it took some time before we settled on it for this list over Dragon’s Prophet. But at the end of the day, Wizardry just doesn’t translate to a fun, well-designed game. It might get there but in 2013, Wizardry proved that good ideas can be soured by poor execution. A weird, unlocked camera made combat unwieldy and sometimes nauseating. Gold was arbitrarily difficult to obtain which made getting started or back on your feet more difficult. Translation issues make the dialogue feel stilted and unnatural. Wizardry is an MMO of false challenges and small niggles which add up to a mundane and ultimately disappointing experience."

 

  1. Unable to learn how to control the camera angles during combat.
  2. Gold wasn't easy enough to come by for newbs or to get back on your feet (even though you couldn't get started with what you had to begin with).
  3. Bad translations
  4. False challenges
Aside from issue #3, what I am hearing is that your primary objection with Wizardry Online was that a self-proclaimed-hardcore mmorpg was... "too difficult"?
 
Kind of a contradiction with your last point that it had "false challenges", considering that your first two complaints was that it was too hard to control your camera angles during fight sequences and that you couldn't accumulate gold fast enough to your liking.
 
WO had its fair share of bumps in the road and SOE / Gamepot did a poor job of ironing these issues out in their two betas.  Guilty as charged.  But to complain that a game is too difficult for a game that is meant to be "hardcore" is simply petty.
 
Translation issues are still a problem and while they have fixed many of those translation issues, I say give credit where credit is due.  With the most recent storyline dungeon released in the US (Sangent Ruins), it is very apparent that a creative writer was leveraged to do a better job in the translation.  Reading the storyline dialogue was so much better compared to prior dungeons.
 
If you're into hand holding and the next flashy graphics game, this game is not for you. But if you want a "challenge" give Wizardry Online a "genuine" try.
  worldalpha

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1/18/14 10:19:05 PM#132
Phew!  Glad we didn't make the list! :)

Thanks,
Mike
Working on Social Strategy MMORTS (now Launched!) http://www.worldalpha.com

  bcbully

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1/18/14 10:21:26 PM#133
Originally posted by worldalpha
Phew!  Glad we didn't make the list! :)

haha ;) 

edit - just signed up to take a look.

  jagd1

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1/19/14 8:46:30 AM#134
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Originally posted by jagd1
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
Originally posted by Nephaerius

Also Dust was never promised to be an MMO, only to have connections through gameplay to an existing one, and definitely is a lobby shooter at its core so while the game is crap I don't understand why it's on the list.

 

Because CCP claimed it is massively multiplayer ?  http://dust514.com/  what do you see there ?DUST 514® – a massively multiplayer shooter

Idc what the site says it's not an MMO by any stretch of the imagination.  Defiance I'd consider and MMO shooter. Dust 514 doesn't have any persistence whatsoever outside of equipment and levels.  It would be like if this site had Warframe listed as an MMO.

It is one of main problems for Dust being a lobby shooter , you are right  about that . But  you said  '' Also Dust was never promised to be an MMO ''  CCP still claim it is massively multiplayer  and it is what CCP promised to deliver  a MMOFPS and did not deliver , this is another problem  .But CCP promised a MMO

  DarkVagabond

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1/20/14 4:36:33 AM#135
Originally posted by jogumby
Given their recent ad on this site, it appears League of Angels aspires to be the Scarlet Blade of 2014!

Theres no room for shame in the ad revenue bucket.

  winter

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1/21/14 3:18:30 AM#136
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet

Sigh... and yet Neverwinter, the game which took Dungeons and Dragons & dumbed it down for the kids who rode the short bus to school, is nowhere near this list. Guess being P2W and designed for the mentally handicapped, on top of having a completely broken & exploited economy is A-OK, so long as you know who to pay off, eh?

I wouldn't mind so much if it weren't going to be held up as the 'standard' for PC D&D games for the next few years. Craptic, and this site, should be ashamed of themselves.

 

seriously you should blame Wizards of the Coast not Cryptic or this site for the 4th edition rules that Neverwinter was designed with that is your complaint is it not that it was "dumbed down" sure cryptic may not be blameless either but Wizards of the coast made the dumbed down forth edition rules and had cryptic use them instead of the 3rd and 3.5 rules most of the previous single player games and DDO used.

 

  Weather Neverwinter is good or bad the foundry was a good step in the right direction I'd say.

  battlewagon

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1/21/14 10:26:25 AM#137

I agree with you.  I haven't heard about most of these.  But considering how saturated the MMO field is with bad games I guess I really shouldn't be surprised.  It is hard to keep up with an industry that seems so hell bent of pumping out a new game every month.

I can remember being on this website and the list of active MMOs barely filled the screen.  Now days the list just seems to go on forever.  And the vast majority of those are free to play with a heavy dose of buy gear if you want a fighting chance.

In otherwords those games are easy to burn out on, are very similar to other FTP games, and are quickly forgotten.

Over the years I have beta tested a number of games.  I have tested so many that I can't even remember them all.  But if you were to ask me to name as many as I could, odds are the list would be of games that had some measure of success.  The games I tested and knew would flop ... I don't remember as well.

But the point is that they are bad for a number of reasons.  Whether it is due to bad camera angles, bad combat, bad economy, bad story, bad graphics, or bad of everything listed above.

  Burntvet

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1/21/14 4:30:35 PM#138
Originally posted by DarkVagabond
Originally posted by jogumby
Given their recent ad on this site, it appears League of Angels aspires to be the Scarlet Blade of 2014!

Theres no room for shame in the ad revenue bucket.

QFT.

Why upset a paid advertiser, when you can pick 10 random games no one has ever heard of....

 

  sdeleon515

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1/22/14 7:03:29 AM#139
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
It serves CCP right, who in their right mind produces a FPS mmo in the first place, they HAVE the World of Darkness IP and basically killed that project a guaranteed box sales cash cow, so they could produce DUST. Thats ok CCP no one would have played Vampire the Masquerade online I am sure you made the right decision. Morons. 

Odd...never saw in any of the material CCP even claiming it was going into the direction of FPS with a fully featured mmo as we play it and know it. If you want to take it a bit further game players of Dust saw it in two versions: (1) if you played EvE it was an expansion of the EvE universe and you didn't like as a FPS or you were a FPS player on the PS3 and saw this as one of the only remaining FPS games on the PS3 in general that had potential after MAG and Resistance 2 but wasn't built around smaller parties like Unchartered.

 

Frankly its inclusion was puzzling as it was expected to generate some additional players from the EvE universe but mostly from the PS3 and, worse case scenario, you killed a few mb's on your hard drive to download a free game. So both its inclusion on this list is a huge mystery and your post as well as tons of others Sleepyfish horribly moronic. I've seen only a few posts to even get to the heart of the matter that Dust514 was never an mmo FPS. 

 

On a side note as its inclusion on the list is a mystery and I feel the story author really doesn't get it from the PS3 and  EvE (yes I've played both) I'd also list another point: the graphics on the players end are usually dumbed down for FPS which is really contrary to an mmo. You really  can live with not having all of this debris, elements and w/e crap from making it harder to see the distance or failing to not notice. And its really quite common that even after they updated the whole graphics and appearance of the game for groves of players to still tweak it to less stunning visuals for that purpose. 

 

MAG on the PS3 had huge similarities with the exception of the aurum which was brought by r/l cash. It didn't so much give you exclusive gear no one else could get but rather increase exp or allow you to wear gear earlier. 

 
Originally posted by jagd1
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Originally posted by jagd1
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
Originally posted by Nephaerius

Also Dust was never promised to be an MMO, only to have connections through gameplay to an existing one, and definitely is a lobby shooter at its core so while the game is crap I don't understand why it's on the list.

 

Because CCP claimed it is massively multiplayer ?  http://dust514.com/  what do you see there ?DUST 514® – a massively multiplayer shooter

Idc what the site says it's not an MMO by any stretch of the imagination.  Defiance I'd consider and MMO shooter. Dust 514 doesn't have any persistence whatsoever outside of equipment and levels.  It would be like if this site had Warframe listed as an MMO.

It is one of main problems for Dust being a lobby shooter , you are right  about that . But  you said  '' Also Dust was never promised to be an MMO ''  CCP still claim it is massively multiplayer  and it is what CCP promised to deliver  a MMOFPS and did not deliver , this is another problem  .But CCP promised a MMO

 

And for the record MAG was closer to being an "mmo-fps"..oh wait the fact that you can play with a large pool of players that constantly change on a singular server also means that any FPS shooter to date is also an MMO. I think we need to put a wedge between the fact that playing in a single universe when you get 24vs24 i still child's play when you got 128 vs 128 on MAG and even 32 vs 32 on Resistance 2. It's technically a massively multiplayer shooter but it isn't an MMOFPSRPG and isn't the biggest MMOFPS game on the PS3. If we're really going to nitpick here then how about we call Zynga's Farmville an MMO because by that standard its massive, multiplayer to a degree and online.
 
If we really want to keep it realistic terms, then how about we stick with the MMORPG's and not stick anything that can be simply massive because its online and that's it as an MMO because that just opens up the whole facebook universe of games as well we should be putting here. 
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