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  Sunnymash

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Joined: 1/16/14
Posts: 14

1/16/14 7:57:57 PM#41
Originally posted by Denambren

I find the breast reduction decision to be out of place with the art style of the characters.

 

So much of the character art is hugely exaggerated, from the massive muscular granite Granok , to the super skinny and nimble bunny-eared Aurin, that the breast reduction fiasco just leaves us with a visibly awkward attempt at being politically correct in a very single, very specific portion of the artwork. Why not tone down the broadness of the shoulders or muscles of some of the men? Why not prevent characters from picking a skinny body type, in case that also is looked upon negatively by a vocal minority? Some of the female characters walk too gracefully or too provocatively. Should the animations be redone? Voice acting?

 

I can easily see a lot of people wanting to boycott the game for this decision - not because the boobs are smaller, but because Carbine Studios tore out a piece of their original artistic vision to please a vocal minority, and after having done it once, can continue to do so again. Will we see characters with more weight? Men with less muscles? When does it stop after you've made the first "nerf" to your fictional world to bring it closer in line with reality?

 

They could have delivered a few different body options for each sex and race that were fitting the the overall art style and felt right.

The new models are not polished, gear does not look well and they don't look right in motion because they didn't change  everything about them, they just reduced the breasts. So that threw them out of balance.

Body options is what they had promised before but now it is unclear if the game would ever really get them.  They compromised and delivered  rushed unpolished results.

It's just so disappointing to see this from Carbine. It was a rushed overreaction and not a well done move.

Now they are being mean to the fans, locking up threads and banning anyone that didn't like the new models in the official forums. They are not letting people express their desire for options either. I swear I'm having Starwars flashbacks from this.

There's still time to set this right if they are honest and put some effort into it.

  Bruhza

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Posts: 282

1/16/14 9:00:04 PM#42
Originally posted by Andraxx
Originally posted by Bruhza
Originally posted by Sunnymash
Originally posted by Bruhza
Originally posted by Sunnymash
Well I'm glad my post was funny and at least it made some people laugh, I'm sorry though,  because it was not a joke.

I am honestly disappointed by the way things turned out.

I was eagerly waiting for some sort of options like http://oi41.tinypic.com/1t6mjd.jpg
And I liked the old models better, there I said it. And that is what I wanted to play for years.
No shamming can change  that.

I'm disappointed at how Carbine acted, suddenly removing them without a warning. Not telling the fans if and when we can expect  some sort of customization, or if that customization will give us access to the original designs.

And I've also been reading reports that CM's in the official forums are being quite aggressive with the posters that have voiced  similar opinions in favor of options or the older models.
That's quite sad to hear and it offends me as a fan  that has been loyal and skipped other MMO's  waiting for WildStar because Carbine always said that Devs are listening and now it does not seem like they are listening to us at all.

I don't want to play an MMO if the developers are going to treat the players that way.

NO NEED TO BE ALARMED CITIZEN! I ASSURE YOU THAT THE BREASTS ARE STILL OF GLORIOUS SIZE AND ALL IS WELL IN THE UNIVERSE!

 

With that said. If this is your reason, allow me to introduce you to something called Google. There you will find what you are looking for.

That's not enough.

I want the old ones. I feel cheated otherwise.

If google isn't enough. I've got nothing.

 

I would recommend only to play with a microwave. They are loads of fun. I however wouldn't recommend climbing inside.

It's not a microwave, it's a Science Oven.

....This...This changes everything for me. I know how I'm spending this weekend though.

 

--

 

On another note. As a new "Active" poster to MMORPG I am honestly suprised by what people are "Offended" by and what they feel is a "Game Breaker". I am all for logical conversations and reasoning ( The post by Denambren uses some reasoning anyways and I can agree with certain parts), but this is almost joke worthy.

 

The only thing I can come up with to this is that they have already been looking for reasons for a game to "fail" and that it wasn't high on their list to begin with, thus taking the opportunity to take their "shot" at the mmo. Gaming takes up most of my free time and it pains me to say this, but if breast size is your biggest concern. You REALLY need to go outside.

 

This is an mmo and more than likely it was already in the developers minds to change this. I find it very difficult to believe that it was only a very small minority. As for armor sizes not "Fitting" the breasts. It can be changed and probably will be if they decide to keep this.

 

TL:DR - It's beta, they can change things to see how they work out without guaranteeing the change to be in the release. Be happy they are this open with information before the NDA is even up.

  Sunnymash

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/16/14
Posts: 14

1/16/14 10:07:08 PM#43
Originally posted by Bruhza
Originally posted by Andraxx
Originally posted by Bruhza
Originally posted by Sunnymash
Originally posted by Bruhza
Originally posted by Sunnymash
Well I'm glad my post was funny and at least it made some people laugh, I'm sorry though,  because it was not a joke.

I am honestly disappointed by the way things turned out.

I was eagerly waiting for some sort of options like http://oi41.tinypic.com/1t6mjd.jpg
And I liked the old models better, there I said it. And that is what I wanted to play for years.
No shamming can change  that.

I'm disappointed at how Carbine acted, suddenly removing them without a warning. Not telling the fans if and when we can expect  some sort of customization, or if that customization will give us access to the original designs.

And I've also been reading reports that CM's in the official forums are being quite aggressive with the posters that have voiced  similar opinions in favor of options or the older models.
That's quite sad to hear and it offends me as a fan  that has been loyal and skipped other MMO's  waiting for WildStar because Carbine always said that Devs are listening and now it does not seem like they are listening to us at all.

I don't want to play an MMO if the developers are going to treat the players that way.

NO NEED TO BE ALARMED CITIZEN! I ASSURE YOU THAT THE BREASTS ARE STILL OF GLORIOUS SIZE AND ALL IS WELL IN THE UNIVERSE!

 

With that said. If this is your reason, allow me to introduce you to something called Google. There you will find what you are looking for.

That's not enough.

I want the old ones. I feel cheated otherwise.

If google isn't enough. I've got nothing.

 

I would recommend only to play with a microwave. They are loads of fun. I however wouldn't recommend climbing inside.

It's not a microwave, it's a Science Oven.

....This...This changes everything for me. I know how I'm spending this weekend though.

 

--

 

On another note. As a new "Active" poster to MMORPG I am honestly suprised by what people are "Offended" by and what they feel is a "Game Breaker". I am all for logical conversations and reasoning ( The post by Denambren uses some reasoning anyways and I can agree with certain parts), but this is almost joke worthy.

 

The only thing I can come up with to this is that they have already been looking for reasons for a game to "fail" and that it wasn't high on their list to begin with, thus taking the opportunity to take their "shot" at the mmo. Gaming takes up most of my free time and it pains me to say this, but if breast size is your biggest concern. You REALLY need to go outside.

 

This is an mmo and more than likely it was already in the developers minds to change this. I find it very difficult to believe that it was only a very small minority. As for armor sizes not "Fitting" the breasts. It can be changed and probably will be if they decide to keep this.

 

TL:DR - It's beta, they can change things to see how they work out without guaranteeing the change to be in the release. Be happy they are this open with information before the NDA is even up.





I've heard this happened 3 days after an article online mocked the female models in the game.

They barely touched up the models, just changed the breasts, and it only affected 3 very similar races body wise, it hasn't even affected NPC's yet and gear and models were not changed with the new design. The size  values of something like the 3D breast models are something easy to change in code.


This is something  that looks like it was made in 3 days on a rush, they had never mentioned it before, it's like a reaction to the negative press but not something they had intended to do or something that the fans really wanted.


People wanted some choices for the most part.
And Carbine is being very quiet on the matter.
In the official forums they are now closing threads and threatening people with bans for even mentioning the issue, and they have completely changed their attitude towards community feedback very suddenly, I'm talking of civil focused feedback about the last patch.

People are just showing them how much they wanted some options and disagree with how everything was handled and they are being treated like trash. They were letting people give feedback on this matter for months before the patch and now that they got a lot of active feedback on the patch instead of engaging with it they are trying to get rid of it, and hide it all away.

The sliders had been talked about before and were also very unceremoniously dropped from the plans. The last interview says they were hard to implement but "we'll see". It doesn't go into any more details, it's just a no that tries hard to avoid sounding like a no but we can only assume that sliders won't be a thing at launch or the inmediate future.

That disregard of some opinions, the obfuscation of truth and their unwillingness the way they removed something just like that and won't give people any choice is just awful and very disappointing.
I'm losing all faith and respect in Carbine if this is how they handle  the community when it disagrees with them or asks for something.
Managing an MMO is harder than this and the game isn't out yet, and they are already lashing against their loyal fans.
 

  SunwolfNC

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/02/06
Posts: 145

1/16/14 10:46:17 PM#44

yay less choices...

If this is the crap they're focusing on - I'll keep my attention focused elsehwere

  User Deleted
1/16/14 11:09:28 PM#45
Its a slight reduction guys, lets not get carried away, they aren't flat chested.
  jbombard

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/06/08
Posts: 462

1/16/14 11:14:04 PM#46
Originally posted by Denambren

I find the breast reduction decision to be out of place with the art style of the characters.

 

So much of the character art is hugely exaggerated, from the massive muscular granite Granok , to the super skinny and nimble bunny-eared Aurin, that the breast reduction fiasco just leaves us with a visibly awkward attempt at being politically correct in a very single, very specific portion of the artwork. Why not tone down the broadness of the shoulders or muscles of some of the men? Why not prevent characters from picking a skinny body type, in case that also is looked upon negatively by a vocal minority? Some of the female characters walk too gracefully or too provocatively. Should the animations be redone? Voice acting?

 

I can easily see a lot of people wanting to boycott the game for this decision - not because the boobs are smaller, but because Carbine Studios tore out a piece of their original artistic vision to please a vocal minority, and after having done it once, can continue to do so again. Will we see characters with more weight? Men with less muscles? When does it stop after you've made the first "nerf" to your fictional world to bring it closer in line with reality?

I agree.  The style is exaggerated.  If anything they already seemed somewhat small in game, but even smaller seems out of place.  What brought this on?  Why the sudden change?  Clipping or animation issues?  Feminazi nerd rage?  I am curious.

  Gravarg

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Joined: 8/24/06
Posts: 3100

1/16/14 11:14:47 PM#47
They had to nerf that passive, since it gave way too much addition to a roll when you are raiding.  You /roll 1-100, and they give a bonus of 200 to that roll...Males don't stand a chance :P
  Sunnymash

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/16/14
Posts: 14

1/16/14 11:22:13 PM#48
Originally posted by jbombard
Originally posted by Denambren

I find the breast reduction decision to be out of place with the art style of the characters.

 

So much of the character art is hugely exaggerated, from the massive muscular granite Granok , to the super skinny and nimble bunny-eared Aurin, that the breast reduction fiasco just leaves us with a visibly awkward attempt at being politically correct in a very single, very specific portion of the artwork. Why not tone down the broadness of the shoulders or muscles of some of the men? Why not prevent characters from picking a skinny body type, in case that also is looked upon negatively by a vocal minority? Some of the female characters walk too gracefully or too provocatively. Should the animations be redone? Voice acting?

 

I can easily see a lot of people wanting to boycott the game for this decision - not because the boobs are smaller, but because Carbine Studios tore out a piece of their original artistic vision to please a vocal minority, and after having done it once, can continue to do so again. Will we see characters with more weight? Men with less muscles? When does it stop after you've made the first "nerf" to your fictional world to bring it closer in line with reality?

I agree.  The style is exaggerated.  If anything they already seemed somewhat small in game, but even smaller seems out of place.  What brought this on?  Why the sudden change?  Clipping or animation issues?  Feminazi nerd rage?  I am curious.

Nobody knows for sure.

Their official version is that they wanted to do it on their own.
But this suspiciously happened just a few days after an  opinion article gave them bad press.
And they look very unpolished, they don't look right and gear doesn't look right  on them, they look weird compared to the male characters or the characters of other races.
And they were closing threads and banning  people asking about it for a while in the official forums.
There was a long thread that stoop in the forums for months asking for more size options too, but that is obviously not what they have delivered. And shortly after people began to come in floods to complain about it the thread was suddenly closed.

It's odd because people wanted options, not to have the breasts suddenly reduced. And the result isn't small, it's not an option, and it does not look good.

See for yourself, if Carbine tells us with a straight face that this is  considered a good design  that should make everyone happy they will be blatant lies.

They looked fitting with the art style before,  exaggerated but somehow they didn't stand out.
Now they look laughable.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/o3jbb
 

  Jeauseoff

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Joined: 4/24/06
Posts: 35

1/17/14 12:20:35 AM#49

Let's make more of a mountain of this mole hill...

I'm more convinced than ever that people will justify ANYTHING to be able to complain zealously about something...

So, everything else about the game was PERFECT - but now; with this news - you may as well burn the building down and start over right?

Get some perspective people.  This is NOT an issue.

  Valentina

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Joined: 5/28/06
Posts: 1661

1/17/14 12:25:28 AM#50
Sigh...I liked the way they looked before -_- freaking whiners have to go and get things changed for everybody.
  Shana77

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Joined: 5/24/07
Posts: 183

1/17/14 12:27:11 AM#51
As a large breasted woman I feel offended. 
  Daessar

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Joined: 4/20/13
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1/17/14 12:30:17 AM#52
Originally posted by Jeauseoff

Let's make more of a mountain of this mole hill...

I'm more convinced than ever that people will justify ANYTHING to be able to complain zealously about something...

So, everything else about the game was PERFECT - but now; with this news - you may as well burn the building down and start over right?

Get some perspective people.  This is NOT an issue.

Exactly this, and I would imagine that they are closing threads because they have 1 thread open on the subject and want people to post in that, blizzard does this all the time on their forums.

Since it's beta, who knows if this was just thrown in as a test to see animation or clipping issues, but no......lets not give them that benefit, lets complain some more and play the "I won't buy the game unless you obey me" card, cause that's so mature...I'm glad they are closing threads and threatening to ban.

A huge wall of text for patch notes, a great article here that highlights everything, and the only thing people can focus on for 50 posts, is something like this, unbelievable.

 
  Valentina

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1/17/14 12:30:58 AM#53
There are literally feminazi's running around going ape over the "unrealistic" proportions....And Carbine caved. I really, really, REALLY hate when a vocal minority have to go and get changes made to video games. And as a woman, I hate feminazi's. Mind your business and don't try to force your extreme views on me and change the things I enjoy. This also has me frustrated with Carbine...I mean, really?
  ElRenmazuo

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Posts: 4110

1/17/14 12:43:30 AM#54
The devs small breasted girl friends and wives from friends and family beta feedback
  Prenho3

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1/17/14 12:46:21 AM#55
Game is cartonish, breasts won't make females prettier, very different from Asia style MMO where they make females very attractive, to a point where I only play female characters.
  ElRenmazuo

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1/17/14 12:48:23 AM#56
Originally posted by Valentina
There are literally feminazi's running around going ape over the "unrealistic" proportions....And Carbine caved. I really, really, REALLY hate when a vocal minority have to go and get changes made to video games. And as a woman, I hate feminazi's. Mind your business and don't try to force your extreme views on me and change the things I enjoy. This also has me frustrated with Carbine...I mean, really?

Them feminazis be hating

  Incomparable

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1/17/14 1:09:03 AM#57

If the breast reduction is significant then for some reason the small breasts will only encourages people and their anime fantasy.

While large breasts satisfy one hypnotic state of euphoria... the other is more for a just learning to walk, jumping off the walls eye ball popping gawking at anything remotely sexual with drool coming off their bib.

You cant win with large or small... so I guess they went medium... most likely trying to see this as a compromise.

Imo, large serves a purpose that promotes happiness as I have read in scholarly articles... so its more for science and the benefit of mankind.

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  Daessar

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1/17/14 1:59:04 AM#58
You mean the removal of choices and the flat out banning and censuring of anyone that simply states they like the old designs better then the new sizes on their official forums?
 

If they are making those statements in a brand new thread, then yes good for them for censoring and banning. People can make their statements in the open thread, they don't need to be special snowflakes and make new attention seeking threads.

Follow the forum rules and maybe they wont be censored or banned.

  Sunnymash

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1/17/14 2:08:55 AM#59
Originally posted by Daessar
You mean the removal of choices and the flat out banning and censuring of anyone that simply states they like the old designs better then the new sizes on their official forums?
 

If they are making those statements in a brand new thread, then yes good for them for censoring and banning. People can make their statements in the open thread, they don't need to be special snowflakes and make new attention seeking threads.

Follow the forum rules and maybe they wont be censored or banned.

They closed the thread that was about it, people tried to make another thread to give their feedback.

The CM's are there to help the community, they should have directed them to the right thread and condensed the discussion there instead of deleting threads and threatening people with bans for merely mentioning anything about breasts or sliders.

  KirinRahl

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1/17/14 2:25:30 AM#60

Are you in the beta?

 

'Cuz if you are, it's pretty shitty of you to break the NDA and tell folks about all the things that you don't like.

 

Point of fact, they have NDAs specifically so that people like you don't come out and say 'Man, their quests suck' or 'Man, their game works like ass on my giant gaming rig' or 'man, their abilities aren't balanced in every situation I can think of'.

 

They don't want you to do that mainly because doing that harms the image of their game when it is in an extremely vulnerable place.  No one has paid for their game yet.  If you're a beta player, you got in for free, agreed to give your feedback to them (and not to share your feelings with the outside world), and you got to have a voice about what's cool and what's not in their game that actually gets listened to, because you're one of the few people who has actually experienced it in its rough, unfinished state.

 

There isn't even a fucking release date yet, man.  Do you think betas aren't intended to fix exactly the kinds of problems you listed here?  For some reason, are you convinced that the game is going to come out looking exactly like it does now, and not in an improved form with increased functionality and wider support?

 

Do you realize that the modeling team basically can only do modeling, and that they're probably listening to feedback from places you haven't been arsed to read?  Do you think they made this change specifically because they decided it would be funny to stick it to all the fanboys who love big tits?  It really sounds like they attacked you in some way, rather than just made a change to the game you agreed to help them test.

 

What if this change was made because some busybody at the ratings board has a stick up their ass about how big tits are allowed to be in video games, and threatened to make Wildstar an M-rated game?  Which, by the way, is ridiculously bad for your sales and would be a serious blow to the developer.  What if that's what happened, and you're fucking with them while they're over a barrel and trying to make a product that will actually keep food on their tables?

 

I don't know if you are a halfwit or if you just have a total lack of respect for the hard work and dedication of others, but on reflection, I'm not going to rule out a combination of the pair.  Let me end on this: even if you are in the beta, and you know more than the rest of us combined as a result, you have demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that you are a colossal waste of a key that could have gone to somebody who gives a rat's ass.

 

Edit: just to be absolutely clear, this rant is pointed squarely at Sunnymash.

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