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1/16/14 11:30:16 PM#21

I wrote a big long post, but here's the long and short of it; I've deleted most of it now.


The first girl I ever loved died of brain cancer.  Suddenly.  Found out she was basically already gone and had thirteen days.  Still with her at the time.  Quite young.  I was mad.  I was furious and fucking crushed and out of my mind and in fucking agony and I'd spent all my time with her for quite a long while.


It's a huge loss and I reacted to it the way any person would react to a huge loss.


Now, with Vivian, I spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours with her, we had a great time, we fought, we laughed, she taught me how to sing, all sorts of cool things happened in that relationship.


MMOs also involve hundreds of hours of having a great time, with being mad and being glad and laughing and learning to do things.  I don't love them like I did her, but it doesn't mean I don't feel a sense of loss when they are gone forever.


The degrees are obviously different.  But Tabula Rasa is gone just as surely as Vivian is, or Jason's, that little place that had great pub cheese, where I ordered 'tequila, straight-up, and keep it coming' at six years old, goaded on by my uncle.


Loss sucks.  Even when you lose something that's not central to your life (and hey, maybe your MMO is), it still hurts and makes you angry and sad.  We blame people because there is someone to blame.  I have no one to blame for my big loss; what, am I going to be mad at cancer?  I contribute to research, it's what I can do.  But it's really easy to be mad at Smedley or whatever ridiculous gamewrecker lives at NCSoft and just loves throwing fucking 'off' switches.  So we are.  They're there, and we're hurting and sad.


If you don't feel sad and angry after losing something you've spent so much time with and attention on, I have no idea how you came from the same monkeys I did.


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1/17/14 12:44:38 AM#22
Originally posted by RandomDown
Originally posted by whilan


yes it's a company and they need to make money but most people don't care (nor should they need to really) about if they make money, all they know is thats the company that took away something I like to do. This makes it even worse when you take something away for almost no reason or for confusing reasons such as CoX which was making money but closed down anyhow.

Why shouldnt they care? They would be even more irrational if they expected a company to run a game that operated at a loss. Financial solvency is something they should care about. And if it isn't making a substantial profit, and they have talented developers they can move elsewhere for a possibly bigger gain why wouldn't they? The fact is, the players could care less about the people and the companies that create them. It is an extraordinarily selfish view to believe the company owes you something when you can't even be grateful for the fun they did give you.

I hate to break this to you..humans aren't usually rational when they feel wronged by someone, they don't just suddenly say oh thats okay I understand you fell on hard times or that you may not be doing as well. Heck most companies don't even feel this way (which are also run by people) lose your job even for a few months..that rental agent wants their money, that phone better get theirs or your service is gone. That internet? yep it's gone to if you can't pay it. They don't care you have problems they don't concern themselves with that, they concern themselves with the part that matters to them, getting the money they are owed, also to point out the end bit If i suddenly didn't pay my rent do you think my rental agent (who has received theirs every month for the last 4 years) will ever rent to me again? No they will not, they will most likely tell other rental companies that they shouldn't rent to me either because I missed a bill (they will not mention the years of good paying I did) They won't be all happy you paid them and respect you, no they will say you didn't pay well and this is going on your record. This works in reverse, as long as the company is making you happy, you are fine, once they stop making you happy, You stop giving them your service, you won't deal with them again and you'll tell others of your bad experience.

As stated above this gets turned back towards companies as well, the public doesn't care if they are operating at a loss (they are falling on hard time) as long as i'm paying the bill (sub fee or buying things from the shop) you keep that service running, if not, then you failed and i'm going somewhere else. No they don't expect them to operate a game at a loss, they expect them to run the game well so that it doesn't operate at a loss otherwise you aren't doing it responsibly and therefore I go with someone else, and i'll most likely tell my friends as well (or forums in some cases) of my bad exerpience.

Yes I know thats sort of a bleak way of looking at people, but most people (at least in america I can tell) only care that they are being hurt by a company not that they got a lot of fun out of it.(be it physical or emotionally), in conclusion if the person is hurt they will blame the person hurting them forget if it's rational/logical, that doesn't play in here. We'd all like to be calm, rational, and logical and weigh things equally, they will be fair until something bad happens to them then all that good things go out the window to be replaced with the one bad thing you did. It's an emotional response, emotions don't always equate to logic or reasoning.

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1/18/14 3:10:30 PM#23


Originally posted by RandomDown

Originally posted by whilan ... yes it's a company and they need to make money but most people don't care (nor should they need to really) about if they make money, all they know is thats the company that took away something I like to do. This makes it even worse when you take something away for almost no reason or for confusing reasons such as CoX which was making money but closed down anyhow.
Why shouldnt they care? They would be even more irrational if they expected a company to run a game that operated at a loss. Financial solvency is something they should care about. And if it isn't making a substantial profit, and they have talented developers they can move elsewhere for a possibly bigger gain why wouldn't they? The fact is, the players could care less about the people and the companies that create them. It is an extraordinarily selfish view to believe the company owes you something when you can't even be grateful for the fun they did give you.
I care about financial solvency only insofar as I want to protect what I enjoy.  Truthfully, nobody wants their game of choice to fail.  That said, I don't know how an individual subscriber can be responsible for keeping a game open. Even if I pay hundreds upon hundreds of dollars into the game, I can only do so much. It isn't my fault that I game I threw a lot of money into folds...yet I am treated as if it were my fault, because all the good things I paid for are taken away, with nothing in return.


The problem is simply this; what is a "substantial" profit to make our games interesting to the people who publish them, and how do we know when it gets there? Because these things change; what was once a good game with potential becomes today's "yesterday game". What was once a good profit of 5% becomes not profitable enough to the new executive who is jealous of his competitor making 6%. And there are also instances where no amount of profit will make a game worth maintaining, if the publisher convinces itself that they don't like your game, and decides "we're better off investing in something new."


The truth is that more and more of the risk in these games is pushed away from the publishers and onto the players of these things.  The publisher suffers no risk, because the publisher can close at any time.  It's the players that have to be responsible for not only their risk but, also, the publisher's risk.  Because as soon as a publisher gets bored with the revenue, we're screwed as players.

Quite frankly, I find it rather perverse to say we ought to be "grateful" towards those who take away the things we buy and pay for, simply because we enjoyed them at one time. Gratitude implies we are still in an association with these publishers, but when they take the things we pay for away and close down the only thing that's keeping us together, there's no point. It isn't like they are in a position to hear the gratitude and, even if they were, it wouldn't make the lot of the people who were screwed any better.

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1/19/14 6:52:58 PM#24
what I hate is not that they close it down but that they close it down and then lock it up in a vault so that no one else can ever touch it again.. If you're going to dump an IP then set it free and let the community run with it.  Neocron did that and I think it's enabled a lot of people to enjoy that game that wouldn't otherwise have and the hardcore people to continue on their hobby

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