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  blackburn11

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OP  1/12/14 7:49:23 PM#1

First, I know that this post will be hated and waste peoples time.  I apologize for that.  But this has bothered me for some time and felt it may be therapeutic for me to put my words into a forum.

I am bothered by people throwing the phrase wow clone at every new mmo like its a terrible thing.  Why do mmo's have to deal with that nonsense when fps games don't.  You could argue that every fps and even fps hybrid type games could be criticized for being doom clones.  And they come out in droves every year.  Yet they don't mock every game as a doom clone.

Wildstar has a different combat system (similar to tera) and seems to be doing a few things to differentiate itself.  But even if it wasn't.  Who cares if it is following the footsteps of previous games.  

People throw hate at WoW because it no longer holds their interest.  Well, I don't really think one game should hold your interest for multiple years.  And when you lose interest in it... let it go.  Try new games, even if similar and see if you can get a few months or year out of it (maybe it will be enjoyable for a year or two, what a nice win that is).

I have temporarily liked different MMO's but ultimately been disappointed and lost interest over time (SWToR, Rift, Tera, NW, GW2, even tried dragon prophet and so many others).  Although ultimately I was disappointed, my disappointment came more from my inability to maintain passion for the game, like I did with wow for so many years (long ago).  I certainly don't hate the games or think the games are a failure.  I appreciate the dev's product for keeping me entertained for the month or couple months I played it.

I hope Wildstar is the game that can renew my passion and keep me occupied for multiple years.  Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but that is better than giving up on it before I even try it.  Certainly better than bashing it and arguing about its failure before I have even played it.

Guess I just think that (some) vet MMO players are a bit of a grumpy lot and not sure why they can't look upon future games with some optimism.

For the record, I haven't enjoyed any fps like I enjoyed Unreal and I haven't enjoyed any mmo like i enjoyed Warcraft.  However I dont enjoy either of those anymore and fear I will never enjoy a new game like I did with my first go around with those classic titles.

Penny for your thoughts.

  remsleep

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1/12/14 7:55:10 PM#2

How about just giving it a shot without any expectations when open beta comes around?

I mean at worst you won't like it, but maybe you will.

 

  Margulis

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1/12/14 7:58:45 PM#3
Everything gets called a wow-clone these days, seems to be the cool thing to say to dismiss a game.  Final Fantasy XIV - WOW CLONE!!!  Even though about the only things similar in that game to wow are the generic-to-every-mmo mechanics of questing, dungeons, getting loot, etc.  But once ARR released with exclamation mark quest markers above npc's heads it was wow clone city!  The Secret World some quests you have to kill x amount of a mob = WOW CLONE!!!!!!  I really think most of it is just bandwagon followers - someone sees someone else call a game a wow-clone, then they just spit out the same nonsense without knowing two shits about the game in reality.  Usually any time someone starts spitting out "wow clone!" I pretty much dismiss anything they have to say from that point.
  Mavolence

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1/12/14 8:00:38 PM#4
FPS games actually have in fact been harshly criticized  for a looong time and back then about being doom clones and quake clones. But i agree with your post
  Vlhad77

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1/12/14 8:11:38 PM#5
i love how people call this game a wow clone, the only thing that this game has the same with wow is its graphics.
  blackburn11

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Joined: 3/12/13
Posts: 46

 
OP  1/12/14 8:13:30 PM#6

I am doing much more than giving it a shot.  I have very high hopes for Wildstar.  Hope it is a game I can put 100 days of game time in!

I love everything I see about it.  The trinity, the graphics and attitude, the control and combat style.  But, the real test comes a few months into the game after launch.  But I have my fingers crossed.

  Vlhad77

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1/12/14 8:14:11 PM#7
Originally posted by blackburn11
I am doing much more than giving it a shot.  I have very high hopes for Wildstar.  Hope it is a game I can put 100 days of game time in!

same here, i sooo cant wait

  MiserySignal

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Joined: 11/21/05
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The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy - Friedrich Nietzsche

1/13/14 11:57:11 AM#8

This ain't a Doom clone. There are no demons and it's not even a FPS. 

  Adokas

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1/13/14 12:05:24 PM#9
Originally posted by BradD77
i love how people call this game a wow clone, the only thing that this game has the same with wow is its graphics.

Yeah. The graphics. And the style of questing, battlegrounds, and so on. It's basically the same game with a new setting, and housing. Note that I am not saying this is a bad thing. I'm not. I quite like WoW myself :-) But claiming they have nothing in common except graphics is just blatantly false.

  asrlohz

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Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

1/13/14 12:12:01 PM#10

Every FPS is hardly a DOOM clone. DOOM was a maze-like, castlevanian-esque "horror" shoot'em up where you really had to scavenge for health, secrets, armour and ammo.

The closest thing to that I've seen in modern gaming is the new Shadow Warrior game which had some key differences from DOOM even in its original game from the 90's.

 

I wish that's what FPS games were cloning. I wouldn't get sick of hilarious one liners and silly secrets and cool over the top guns nearly as quickly as I'd get sick of playing "Battlefield: Planetside 2 Edition" or "Call of Duty: Now with Aliens!"

Bloody hell, the last alright shooter other than Shadow Warrior that I've played was Soldiers of Fortune, and that was some amazing stuff.

  MiserySignal

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The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy - Friedrich Nietzsche

1/13/14 12:13:30 PM#11
I'm glad my stupid comment deviated this thread.
  Po_gg

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1/13/14 12:22:21 PM#12
Originally posted by asrlohz

Every FPS is hardy a DOOM clone.

Even moreso, if OP wants an analogy, why doom clone, why not Hovertank 3d clone? That was the first... :)

  asrlohz

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Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

1/13/14 5:02:46 PM#13
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by asrlohz

Every FPS is hardly a DOOM clone.

Even moreso, if OP wants an analogy, why doom clone, why not Hovertank 3d clone? That was the first... :)

Speaking of which, maybe he should add that Wii Tennis and any other sport game simulating tennis or similar sports are just a clone of Pong. And that EVE online and the upcoming Starcitizen are just clones of whatever that game was called where you shot meteors in space? Hah!

  Muke

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1/13/14 5:06:06 PM#14
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by asrlohz

Every FPS is hardly a DOOM clone.

Even moreso, if OP wants an analogy, why doom clone, why not Hovertank 3d clone? That was the first... :)

Speaking of which, maybe he should add that Wii Tennis and any other sport game simulating tennis or similar sports are just a clone of Pong. And that EVE online and the upcoming Starcitizen are just clones of whatever that game was called where you shot meteors in space? Hah!

Everyone knows that Space Invaders was the granddaddy of all sci fi games.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  Talgen

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This is just my opinion and should be viewed as just that, an opinion

1/13/14 5:10:38 PM#15
Everything is a clone of Pong.
  WhiteLantern

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1/13/14 5:15:12 PM#16
Where was the OP in the 90's when every FPS was considered a Doom clone?

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Po_gg

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1/13/14 5:24:27 PM#17

Yep, poor ol' System Shock flopped because of that trend... "what a lame doom-clone" they said "you have to change up and down manually, and crouch"

One of the best games of that era - and it ment something, the competition was tough back then, not like last year's FF XIV goty among the handful of released games :)

  waynejr2

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RIP City of Heroes!

1/13/14 5:32:03 PM#18
Originally posted by Talgen
Everything is a clone of Pong.

I don't think so.  Spacewar!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_video_game

  Siphaed

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1/13/14 11:46:11 PM#19
Originally posted by blackburn11

First, I know that this post will be hated and waste peoples time.  I apologize for that.  But this has bothered me for some time and felt it may be therapeutic for me to put my words into a forum.

*snipped*

Penny for your thoughts.

 

My thoughts:  Don't share your post-WoW MMO life story in a topic thread that's completely unrelated.  "Hoping Wildstar is WoW 2.0" seems to be a title more suitable for your thread piece.     You basically said that you don't like how people label this game as a "WoW clone" as a negative yet said that all the other games that have come post WoW are not good enough to hold up to your particular standards.   Your thread further goes into grasping thoughts of hope that this game is in fact a WoW 2.0 so that you're able to grasp a lengthened relation to the game.    

 

The whole basis of this thread is hypocritical and far too label-ready (not an attack on the OP at all, but instead a focus on the incorrect context of the title and it's clash with the meat within).

 

If there's anything that I'm hoping that Wildstar becomes, is an evolution in MMORPG's that has learned adaptation of the [best] features of MMO's that have come before it:   WoW,  Tabula Rasa,  Guild Wars 2, The Secret World,  Rift, and others.      Not to become just a clone of a singular game or any single aspect focused on, instead taking piece of this and piece of that to put it all together into a very polished, very original [IP] game.

  User Deleted
1/13/14 11:52:46 PM#20
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Where was the OP in the 90's when every FPS was considered a Doom clone?

 

Or a Wolf3D clone if you want to go back to the raycasters with sprites.  I don't know where it started, but Wolf was the first I remember playing.  I think I played on a 386 back then.

 

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