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  mmoguy43

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1/13/14 4:19:42 PM#21

hmm

Vanguard 2: Group Edition and extension of McQuaid's beloved Pantheon of the Ancients

 

Not sure if they will meet their goal but I'll keep an eye on it.

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

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  OG_Zorvan

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1/13/14 4:21:29 PM#22
Originally posted by Ikonis
Nothing that excites me was said. Just generic lip service to get the hardcore gamers to throw their money at the screen.

Same thing he did when he started hawking Vanguard development. The guy is about as original as toilet paper.

EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  Torcip

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1/13/14 4:35:26 PM#23
2017 release date? Wow, that's quite a wait.
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1/13/14 4:38:58 PM#24
After Vanguard, how can anyone still get excited about projects of his?
  drakolas

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1/13/14 4:42:28 PM#25
All of the information on their kickstarter is so vague, it sounds like they just have these ideas that they haven't even begun to design. They just make the same claims of every MMO ever without anything to really show how they will implement the ideas.
  epoq

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1/13/14 4:45:25 PM#26

2017.  Yikes, I'll be old by then.  Not sure I can donate now not knowing whether or not I'll still play these games come 2017, lol.

 

Maybe Curt Schilling will donate a big portion to the fund,  he's a big EQ fan and he has a lot of mo....oh shit, wait, nm.

  Daranar

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1/13/14 4:47:58 PM#27
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Originally posted by Daranar

[mod edit] 

I've never participated in crowd funding before, but this may get me to.   Brad McQuaid is an MMO god.   Him mixed with the other impressive staff making a group oriented PvE game....count me in!   I feel like now I know how all you PvPers feel about Camelot Unchained.   Even if this is half as good as Vanguard:SOH but actually optimized correctly at launch, it will be one hell of a game.

 Did you read the Kickstarter page?  Unless all you like is PvE combat with forced grouping the game has absolutely nothing else to offer.  How do they build in what they called forced downtime to enhance social interaction when the game currently has no plans for CRAFTING, PVP, HOUSING, or any other activity outside of pve combat unless it meets ridiculous stretch goals 4-5x it's base funding amount?

Also Brad McQuaid doesn't have a good reputation in the MMO community at all.  He's the king of blowing gigantic budgets on cocaine and prostitutes while releasing buggy piles of crap backed up with clever wordplay that tries to suggest he has no blame for the end result of the project.

I don't know if you ever actually PLAYED Vanguard, but that game was by far one of the top 3 MMOs ever created.   It had optimization and stability issues at launch that ruined any chance at success --because if we know one thing about MMO gamers, it's that we are impatient and often never willing to give a game a fair chance and base our opinions on the small but vocal negative groups-- but the game design, play, and everything was far beyond amazing.  [mod edit]

If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!

  Daranar

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1/13/14 4:48:53 PM#28
Originally posted by epoq

2017.  Yikes, I'll be old by then.  Not sure I can donate now not knowing whether or not I'll still play these games come 2017, lol.

 

Maybe Curt Schilling will donate a big portion to the fund,  he's a big EQ fan and he has a lot of mo....oh shit, wait, nm.

that made me lol

If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!

  bcbully

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1/13/14 4:50:08 PM#29
So what about PvP? FFA, with punishment system? Territory control? All items player made?
  iridescence

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1/13/14 4:50:41 PM#30

um...One of the "tenets":

 

  • An expectation that the path of least resistance should also be the most entertaining

 

Typo I assume  unless he really is wanting to make anther easy mode game but geez, read over your pitch page if you expect people to give you this much money. First impressions count and mine is bad now....

 

Game concept otherwise is pretty good but Pathfinder already took all my speculative MMO money.

 

 

  Necroneus

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1/13/14 4:51:34 PM#31
When I saw their stretch goals I thought: What a piece of crap...
  Anthur

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1/13/14 4:51:58 PM#32

Looks like software developers in the USA don't earn a lot of money. 10 people on his team, 4 years development time, 800K $, that's the huge amount of 20k per developer and year.

If you guys over the ocean really earn that little money I recommend that you come over to europe.And he even mentions himself that he needed 100 developers and five years to develop Vanguard.

Sorry, I can't take MMO kickstarters with such low budgets serious at all. Idealism is a great thing but there is such a thing as realism. And so far I haven't seen one released kickstarter MMO.

  UOlover

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1/13/14 4:53:09 PM#33
The testing that you are paying for will be going on way before 2017. Brad is going to make sure this one has a year+ testing just like EQ1 had
  Nadia

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1/13/14 4:57:03 PM#34
Originally posted by bcbully
So what about PvP?

$3.8 million Stretch goal!

  ste2000

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1/13/14 4:57:20 PM#35
Originally posted by drakolas
All of the information on their kickstarter is so vague, it sounds like they just have these ideas that they haven't even begun to design. They just make the same claims of every MMO ever without anything to really show how they will implement the ideas.

I actually agree with this.

I am the target audience of this game, but I have to say that the information on Kickstarter are pretty generic.

Yeah, it's a group oriented MMO (nice), it is challenging (great) and it doesn't want to appeal to everyone (cool).

But how they are going to deliver all the above?

Before I open my wallet I want to see more and hear more.

The video didn't show much, I mean they are 10 experienced developers and they can't even put together an in-game Demo of 3 minutes.

I know it is pre-alpha but I think they got nothing done yet, and everything is pretty much still on paper.

The campaign will run for 2 months, I am waiting to see more before I pledge my money.

 

By the way if any of the Devs is reading this, why you guys don't add a "name reservation" opyion to one of your packages?

I am willing to spend $100 to reserve my name (you will see lots of people upgrading from $45 to $100)

  Nephaerius

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1/13/14 4:57:53 PM#36
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by bcbully
So what about PvP?

$3.8 million Stretch goal!

 Along with crafting and pretty much every other aspect of the game lulz

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  rmk70

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1/13/14 5:08:26 PM#37

I donno... I loved EQ1 and Vanguard, but something feels totally off about this. Feels like a very lite MMO for a lot of money (3.8mill for PVP...?), when other indie teams are developing much heavier games with much less.

 

Getting powers off mobs you fight? I swear I played a F2P Asian game that did that and it really wasn't anything special... 

 

Anyways, I don't have much substance behind my initial reaction, but my gut says it's a cash grab. 

  Ozmodan

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1/13/14 5:14:04 PM#38
Originally posted by ITPalg
Originally posted by Ozmodan

I have to wonder how anyone can think anything is going to come of this.   You can't really crowd fund a MMO, hence the big content word up there is meaningless because they won't have the funding for it.

 

I guess Star Citizen isn't an MMO, or Camelot Unchained isn't an MMO, or Elite: Dangerous isn't an MMO, or ...

The only game you mention that is a MMO is Camelot Unchained and that is being self funded by the developers for the most part.  Anything they get from crowd funding is a small part of the pie.

Also the people involved in Star Citizen and Elite:Dangerous have far better reputations than Brad.  He won't pull in anything close what those other designers do.

  ozmono

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1/13/14 5:15:16 PM#39
After watching the video I doubt I'd even be willing to take the time to try it, if it were ready today, let alone help kickstart it.
  bcbully

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1/13/14 5:18:49 PM#40
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by bcbully
So what about PvP?

$3.8 million Stretch goal!

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