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  JJ82

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1/13/14 3:15:22 PM#181
Originally posted by Adokas
Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by Torgrim

I'm not planing on playing ESO but your comment about 15 bucks a month are full of lolz.

If I chose to pay those 15 bucks a month I get a full month worth of entertainment while paying the same amount of money on the movies gives me lets say Hobbit, 3 hours of entertainment.

 The fact that you think quantity is more important than quality isn't even worth a chuckle. However it does mean TESO could be the game for you.....

The fact that you seem to believe that your perception of value and quality is greater than others, is sad.

 The fact that you are taking me saying "I wont pay $15 unless I get my $15 worth out of it" as "it isn't worth it for everyone" isn't even worthy of being called sad.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  PsychoPigeon

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1/13/14 3:21:54 PM#182
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by karmath

Skyrim is a sandbox, albeit a lesser one compared to others in the ES series.

ES:O Is a themepark clone with the ES IP.

If you cannot grasp these two very simple facts you really should throw your PC out a window.

Skyrim, heck all ES games are not sandbox games. They are non-linear themepark games. All the rides are there for me to ride, I can just ride them in any order I want to.

 

 

Just stop, you have no clue what you're talking about

  Adokas

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1/13/14 3:23:42 PM#183
Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by Adokas
Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by Torgrim

I'm not planing on playing ESO but your comment about 15 bucks a month are full of lolz.

If I chose to pay those 15 bucks a month I get a full month worth of entertainment while paying the same amount of money on the movies gives me lets say Hobbit, 3 hours of entertainment.

 The fact that you think quantity is more important than quality isn't even worth a chuckle. However it does mean TESO could be the game for you.....

The fact that you seem to believe that your perception of value and quality is greater than others, is sad.

 The fact that you are taking me saying "I wont pay $15 unless I get my $15 worth out of it" as "it isn't worth it for everyone" isn't even worthy of being called sad.

I pretty much just say it as I see it. These last few pages and your posts, seem to have been nothing but statements about what's valuable and how people are dummies for doing this and that. It's all fine that you think it's not valuable. Others might. No need to force it down others throats.

  immodium

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Joined: 11/03/07
Posts: 1358

1/13/14 3:23:46 PM#184
Originally posted by PsychoPigeon
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by karmath

Skyrim is a sandbox, albeit a lesser one compared to others in the ES series.

ES:O Is a themepark clone with the ES IP.

If you cannot grasp these two very simple facts you really should throw your PC out a window.

Skyrim, heck all ES games are not sandbox games. They are non-linear themepark games. All the rides are there for me to ride, I can just ride them in any order I want to.

 

 

Just stop, you have no clue what you're talking about

People who think ES games are sandbox games have no clue what they are talking about.

  spizz

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Joined: 7/11/04
Posts: 2585

1/13/14 3:30:39 PM#185
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by PsychoPigeon
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by karmath

Skyrim is a sandbox, albeit a lesser one compared to others in the ES series.

ES:O Is a themepark clone with the ES IP.

If you cannot grasp these two very simple facts you really should throw your PC out a window.

Skyrim, heck all ES games are not sandbox games. They are non-linear themepark games. All the rides are there for me to ride, I can just ride them in any order I want to.

 

 

Just stop, you have no clue what you're talking about

People who think ES games are sandbox games have no clue what they are talking about.

Which single player rpg games do you describe as a sandbox games ?

 

By the way on youtube recently some players did upload videos about the gameplay, wonder how long they will be visible until bethesda will delete them.

  coretex666

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Joined: 1/03/12
Posts: 1831

"I shall take your position into consideration"

1/13/14 3:39:20 PM#186
Disappointment incoming. I do agree that Skyrim is amazing though.

Currently playing: L2 Chronicle 4

  fistorm

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Joined: 12/05/08
Posts: 792

 
OP  1/13/14 3:39:43 PM#187

I think as far as skyrim goes,  You do the first part of the game and kinda choose you faction.  They then have the rebellion path, or the empire path you can take.   Or you can choose NOT to be EITHER.   You can run around the game and do every single thing in the game and it WILL NOT affect the TIMELINE of the MAIN STORY.    I personally would call that sandbox, because you can do anything you want, indefinatly with no timeline consequences.   Others may have a different opinion on what a sandbox is, but for the most part I think doing what ever you want and not be forced to progress through Only one way would be Sandbox in my eyes.   What do you think?

 

I had bought the Prima Guide on Steam for Skyrim and it says in there also that you can do basicly anything you want after the town, but its advised to progress a few quests down till you get the Dragon Voice.  About a few hours worth of work to get the ability.   So read into that how you will.  I think there will always be a few mandatory goals in every game, including sandbox's, but for the most part I think this is a true sandbox from a lot of peoples point of view.  Which is another reason I think so many found SKYRIM to be amazingly great, and a key feature of the game one I truly think will be carried over to ESO because of how foundational it is and was to SKYRIM, after all the key features have to be in a game any dev would call SKYRIM ONLINE.

 

  immodium

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Joined: 11/03/07
Posts: 1358

1/13/14 3:45:03 PM#188
Originally posted by spizz
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by PsychoPigeon
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by karmath

Skyrim is a sandbox, albeit a lesser one compared to others in the ES series.

ES:O Is a themepark clone with the ES IP.

If you cannot grasp these two very simple facts you really should throw your PC out a window.

Skyrim, heck all ES games are not sandbox games. They are non-linear themepark games. All the rides are there for me to ride, I can just ride them in any order I want to.

 

 

Just stop, you have no clue what you're talking about

People who think ES games are sandbox games have no clue what they are talking about.

Which single player rpg games do you describe as a sandbox games ?

To my knowledge none.

Sandbox games are something along the lines of Simcity/Theme Park/Hospital/Roller Coaster Tycoon and the king right now, Minecraft to name a few.

 

If the game does not allow me to terraform, build/destroy all element of the game world it is not a sandbox.

If I could destroy/rebuild/re-design Riften in Skyrim, or even changehow the surrounding landscape looks it would then be a sandbox.

If I could manipulate water flow to power a mill I constructed to grind wheat to make bread to sell it would be a sandbox.

 

If ES is a sandbox then so is GTA, Farcry and any other open world game. Open World =/= Sandbox.

 

When an RPG let's me create/destroy the game world then it's a sandbox. The only real sandbox element to Skyrim was the Hearthstone expansion that allowed me to build a house. Even then it was very restrictive with where you could actually build.

  JJ82

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Joined: 12/02/13
Posts: 1057

1/13/14 3:48:57 PM#189
Originally posted by Adokas
Originally posted by JJ82

 The fact that you are taking me saying "I wont pay $15 unless I get my $15 worth out of it" as "it isn't worth it for everyone" isn't even worthy of being called sad.

I pretty much just say it as I see it in the way I want it to fit my opinion. These last few pages and your posts, seem to have been nothing but statements about what's valuable and how people are dummies for doing this and that. It's all fine that you think it's not valuable. Others might. No need to force it down others throats.

 Fixed, cause the irony is rich enough to fund a nation.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  ViperDragon

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Joined: 1/04/14
Posts: 102

1/13/14 3:51:06 PM#190
Despite some of the negativity, I'm optimistic.  Anyone who can make Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim are a safe bet.

A great list of free games (mostly MMORPGs): http://www.mytop10games.com/

  Hatefull

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Joined: 6/09/04
Posts: 764

Your tears make my gun work better.

1/13/14 3:51:19 PM#191


Originally posted by -aLpHa-

Originally posted by fistorm
No I am dead serious, and I will stand by these words well after release, years into playing ESO when it comes out.

 

I want you to read this post after release and then remember my name, I speculate on every game that comes out with high accuracy.  So in the future when you want to know solid speculations, just look for my name.  

 

Many games I have posted on, and have all been right so far.  I trust myself pretty well.  I hope you can trust me too someday.  if you cant trust me, trust in this guy....

 

Matt Firor is a vetern of game design he's been around mmo desiging as long as I been playing,  I think he knows 100% what people want and has learned from failure when he first started, I think what he can do more then most game designers can do is make what people want, which is a SKYRIM ONLINE, which is the reason I think they picked him in the first place.   That's why I trust this game isn't some fluff or rip off and I believe it when the devs say this is SKYRIM ONLINE.  We look to the top of whos running things and this one has a long time old school designer who's A+ in my book.  Its like looking at a star quarterback really, and knowing whos going to win the game.

If anyone can make a single player quality game ONLINE, it is this guy!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Firor


I already TRUST you explicitly, please show me the light MASTER! Please let me bath in your shadow so i can absorb all that EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE and maybe some of that CLAIRVOYANCE will rub off on me!



I..I have to agree with -aLpHa- here. You like the game, good for you. A lot won't, a lot will. However, Your narcissism does not make your opinions fact.

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  JJ82

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Posts: 1057

1/13/14 3:52:10 PM#192
Originally posted by immodium

To my knowledge none.

Sandbox games are something along the lines of Simcity/Theme Park/Hospital/Roller Coaster Tycoon and the king right now, Minecraft to name a few.

 

If the game does not allow me to terraform, build/destroy all element of the game world it is not a sandbox.

If I could destroy/rebuild/re-design Riften in Skyrim, or even changehow the surrounding landscape looks it would then be a sandbox.

If I could manipulate water flow to power a mill I constructed to grind wheat to make bread to sell it would be a sandbox.

 

If ES is a sandbox then so is GTA, Farcry and any other open world game. Open World =/= Sandbox.

 

When an RPG let's me create/destroy the game world then it's a sandbox. The only real sandbox element to Skyrim was the Hearthstone expansion that allowed me to build a house. Even then it was very restrictive with where you could actually build.

 Allow me to point you in the direction of either Nexus or Steams Workshop.

Wow, cant believe someone actually posted that as if people don't know about TESs massive sized modding community, one so large that Bethesda worked with the community and steam while making Skyrim to make sure there was a shop setup and tools out in players hands before the game was even released.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  Hellidol

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Posts: 384

1/13/14 3:53:06 PM#193
Originally posted by -aLpHa-

Skyrim and ESO are two completely different gametypes, i won't even dare compare them.

 

have you played the beta? The games are comparable, ESO does a lot of things right while leveling, beyond that none of us know. 

If they continue down this path I would foresee ESO doing very very well, good as skyrim not so much but time will tell if they have good end game beyond pvp.

 

This will be my go to game for sure tho, right now I am playing SWTOR and that game is pretty much crap compared. 

  killion81

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1/13/14 3:57:50 PM#194
It should be pretty interesting to see how it all pans out.  I won't be there for launch, but I think the odds are on the side of something similar to a train wreck.  You know you shouldn't care or look, but for some reason you have the urge to witness the mayhem.
  immodium

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Posts: 1358

1/13/14 3:59:19 PM#195
Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by immodium

To my knowledge none.

Sandbox games are something along the lines of Simcity/Theme Park/Hospital/Roller Coaster Tycoon and the king right now, Minecraft to name a few.

 

If the game does not allow me to terraform, build/destroy all element of the game world it is not a sandbox.

If I could destroy/rebuild/re-design Riften in Skyrim, or even changehow the surrounding landscape looks it would then be a sandbox.

If I could manipulate water flow to power a mill I constructed to grind wheat to make bread to sell it would be a sandbox.

 

If ES is a sandbox then so is GTA, Farcry and any other open world game. Open World =/= Sandbox.

 

When an RPG let's me create/destroy the game world then it's a sandbox. The only real sandbox element to Skyrim was the Hearthstone expansion that allowed me to build a house. Even then it was very restrictive with where you could actually build.

 Allow me to point you in the direction of either Nexus or Steams Workshop.

Wow, cant believe someone actually posted that as if people don't know about TESs massive sized modding community, one so large that Bethesda worked with the community and steam while making Skyrim to make sure there was a shop setup and tools out in players hands before the game was even released.

I know about mods. I play a heavily modded version of Skyrim.

I haven't played the game for months but if you could point me in the direction of a mod that turns Skyrim, a non-linear themepark game into a fully destructible world that also have the tools to rebuild structures.

A mod that turns Skyrim into Minecraft I would most certainly check out.

Hopefully that's what EQN is going for.

  fistorm

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OP  1/13/14 3:59:46 PM#196

Dev video Minute 5:36  Proves that ESO WILL BE a SANDBOX, being able to do what you when you want and feel like it... isn't that the true definition of SANDBOX?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411

  Nephaerius

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1/13/14 4:00:42 PM#197
Originally posted by fistorm 

"Anyone whos ever played SKYRIM,  will atleast BUY or TRY ESO. "

Sorry but I stopped reading here because that's just a ludicrous claim.  For example I have every ES game released to date however I will not bother with ESO at all.

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  Nephaerius

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1/13/14 4:01:53 PM#198
Originally posted by fistorm

Dev video Minute 5:36  Proves that ESO WILL BE a SANDBOX, being able to do what you when you want and feel like it... isn't that the true definition of SANDBOX?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411

 Really?  You're going to start claiming that ESO is a sandbox now?  It's a themepark through and through. 

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  immodium

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1/13/14 4:04:55 PM#199
Originally posted by fistorm

Dev video Minute 5:36  Proves that ESO WILL BE a SANDBOX, being able to do what you when you want and feel like it... isn't that the true definition of SANDBOX?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411

The thing is, no one on these forums can agree on what a sandbox is. I've had this debate a number of times. :)

  hammarus

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1/13/14 4:07:15 PM#200

Ok I will admit it.  I am one of those guys on steam with several THOUSAND hours of game time into Skyrim.  Should I get a job? Sure, but while I look I can have fun too. 

 

Now, as to ESO being a success.  I'm not saying Im in beta or anything...  BUT ESO is NOT Skyrim!!! Not by a hair not by a mile. As the game stands now it is highly unlikely I will play it.  As its concentrating too much on pvp which is EXACTLY like Guild Wars pvp.  And not enough on the ES IP pve.  Which sadly includes exploration.  Not that there isn't some, its just incredibly limited and the pve plays like a generic mmo.

Its not likely that the game will change between now and launch so. I doubt I will play it.

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