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  jdnewell

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1/13/14 8:11:19 AM#101

To me the game has an Elder Scrolls game feel overall. I guess I am just not sure what people expected. I know what they wanted, Sandbox multiplayer Skyrim, but even after the information about what the game is people are still complaining its not basically MP Skyrim?

Will this game be as successful as Skyrim? I dont think so personally. Will it be successful? I do think so.

I know my personal experiences and feedback from friends is not indicative of much of anything, but overall my crowd likes it. I have 5 people that are buying it and all are Skyrim/Oblivion/Morrowind fans.

I just do not see where all the hate for this is coming from. Overall it is a pretty fun game ( from what i have played) and has the look and feel ( to me ) of an ES game made into an MMO. Pretty much what I expected. I think overall people who just generally want to play a MP ES game will like it. Those that wanted a true sandbox or are die hard ES purists may not.

I may be way off, but I think this game will be successful for the developer, if not in the eyes of PC MMO gamers.

Just my 2cp

  jdnyc

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1/13/14 8:18:40 AM#102
Originally posted by Ikeda

I find it hard to believe that the PS3 (which was virtually unplayable) outsold the highly moddable PC version.

I believe it.  PS4 has sold over 4 million units already and has almost zero game support.

  Ikeda

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1/13/14 8:22:45 AM#103
Originally posted by jdnyc

I believe it.  PS4 has sold over 4 million units already and has almost zero game support.

Perhaps.  I have a PS4 and have been using my Vita almost exclusively (at least that got me to dust it off and charge it :-P).

Console numbers are HUGE (typically) against their PC counter parts, but it's also another reason you need to be careful.  For example, I own a PS4, XB1, WiiU, and PC.   Which title do I buy for what?  Then there's games like Terraria where I own 3-4 different versions.

All I'm asking for is some actual numbers.  Just like, are all those 360 users still playing Skyrim?  Because I can tell you their PC counterparts are still playing according to Steam this morning (25-30K).

  mindw0rk

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1/13/14 8:26:55 AM#104
Too bad TESO is nothing like Skyrim.
  Jean-Luc_Picard

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1/13/14 8:29:41 AM#105
For the people saying "Skyrim had way more console players than PC players"... no matter how right or wrong you are (and I think you're actually right), how many console gamers will be wanting to give $15 a month to play TESO? Because a monthly fee is pretty much anti-console mentality, disregarding the quality of the game.

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  funyahns

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1/13/14 8:35:07 AM#106
 What do you view as successful as Skyrim? Selling a lot of copies?  Sure it will probably sell a couple million.  Will people keep playing and paying?  Well that's the million dollar question.  I have nothing but doubts on that front.  I think people underestimate the fun people have in Elder Scrolls games from just wandering around and randomly doing stupid stuff.  Sure you can argue how great its all going to be.  Cause nothing is a safer bet than an MMO fan who definitely does not buy every single MMO praying for anything to stick regardless of what warning signs say.
  Nadia

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1/13/14 8:36:05 AM#107
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
 how many console gamers will be wanting to give $15 a month to play TESO?

i agree

  User Deleted
 
OP  1/13/14 8:37:52 AM#108
Originally posted by MikePaladin

Heavy moded Skyrim vs  The Elder Scroll online  I bet a lot of mod lovers will be disappointed with TESO.

And now tell me how I would quit on this kind of Skyrim for TESO .   And because of NDA I can't tell more but you worst expectations are real !!

Zenimax could do a much more better game if they hired top modders. ESO is a game with no soul. Morroowind has a soul  and in was great even with those graphics from 2002.

 

I know how you feel, but I think they already thought of that, I'm betting on these types of mods will be allowed, Client side.   We are talking about ES here,   who practically got the MOD community going with the CREATION KIT...   Its hard to believe they wouldn't allow this in their game.   In fact I would bet my whole weeks salary that they already know this, and are working right now to put it in game and have since the start of development. 

 

Like I said, we gotta remember who got the MOD community fired up and even was the MAIN REASON that WORKSHOP is on steam!!    I think this is something that will be IN GAME.   ES started it...    Theres no reason to think they wouldn't continue a huge trend they started.

 

Give it time, lets see what they say about MODs in game yet, I don't think I have seen anything saying they wouldn't allow  graphic or UI mods yet, which might indicate they have that as their SHOW CASE before release!!!   They did the same thing with SKYRIM and it was a HUGE success!!

 

 

  jdnewell

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1/13/14 8:39:23 AM#109
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
For the people saying "Skyrim had way more console players than PC players"... no matter how right or wrong you are (and I think you're actually right), how many console gamers will be wanting to give $15 a month to play TESO? Because a monthly fee is pretty much anti-console mentality, disregarding the quality of the game.

I agree.

Many console players are not going to like the $15 a month to play a game, any game, regardless. In regards to consoles a B2P with micro transactions would go over better overall. The same ones who wont pay $15 a month will spend twice that on the res kinned CoD or BF4 map packs each month.

I personally do not mind the sub fee for an MMO, but with the console release coming soon after the PC release they may have alienated many potential customers by not going with a B2P & MT system.

@ OP.  The only thing I can see them allowing you to MOD in TESO is the UI, and have addons like WoW and a few others. You will not be able to mod graphics client side.

  Sovrath

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1/13/14 8:45:51 AM#110
Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by MikePaladin

 

Heavy moded Skyrim vs  The Elder Scroll online  I bet a lot of mod lovers will be disappointed with TESO.

And now tell me how I would quit on this kind of Skyrim for TESO .   And because of NDA I can't tell more but you worst expectations are real !!

Zenimax could do a much more better game if they hired top modders. ESO is a game with no soul. Morroowind has a soul  and in was great even with those graphics from 2002.

 

I know how you feel, but I think they already thought of that, I'm betting on these types of mods will be allowed, Client side.   We are talking about ES here,   who practically got the MOD community going with the CREATION KIT...   Its hard to believe they wouldn't allow this in their game.   In fact I would bet my whole weeks salary that they already know this, and are working right now to put it in game and have since the start of development. 

 

Like I said, we gotta remember who got the MOD community fired up and even was the MAIN REASON that WORKSHOP is on steam!!    I think this is something that will be IN GAME.   ES started it...    Theres no reason to think they wouldn't continue a huge trend they started.

 

Give it time, lets see what they say about MODs in game yet, I don't think I have seen anything saying they wouldn't allow  graphic or UI mods yet, which might indicate they have that as their SHOW CASE before release!!!   They did the same thing with SKYRIM and it was a HUGE success!!

 

 

They are not going to allow these types of mods.

Knowing full well what types of mods are out there I highly doubt they are going to allow for bikini armor mods, flying "Wrestler Dragons"  and any number of off the wall mods that players can conceive of.

What they could do is add somethng similiar to neverwinter where players can make their own adventures. Or like ryzom ring.

That would definitely give great replayability.

I believe they will do UI mods:

http://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1925/

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OP  1/13/14 8:51:14 AM#111
Originally posted by jdnewell
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
For the people saying "Skyrim had way more console players than PC players"... no matter how right or wrong you are (and I think you're actually right), how many console gamers will be wanting to give $15 a month to play TESO? Because a monthly fee is pretty much anti-console mentality, disregarding the quality of the game.

I agree.

Many console players are not going to like the $15 a month to play a game, any game, regardless. In regards to consoles a B2P with micro transactions would go over better overall. The same ones who wont pay $15 a month will spend twice that on the res kinned CoD or BF4 map packs each month.

I personally do not mind the sub fee for an MMO, but with the console release coming soon after the PC release they may have alienated many potential customers by not going with a B2P & MT system.

@ OP.  The only thing I can see them allowing you to MOD in TESO is the UI, and have addons like WoW and a few others. You will not be able to mod graphics client side.

I have to ask because I haven't had a console now in over 5 years, and mainly because they have not came out with any MMORPG's for the consoles.   FFXIV is the only other online MMORPG that I have seen on the ps4 so far, and that's sub based also.   Does ESO have any other MMORPG's to compete with on the console?    First person shooters don't count as rpgs.

 

Is there is no AAA title MMORPGs to compete with on the consoles?  If the answer is none, then people will pay subs no problems and it will be successful paying model.  Also, since it is the same model as the other MMORPG on the consoles, I don't see how users would have a problem with that unless they just want a game for free, or are a teen whos parents wont give them a bank card to use on the game.

 

  QuasiModron

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1/13/14 8:52:50 AM#112

When Skyrim was released at end of 2011 there were over 150 millions of Xbox360 + PS3 units sold to customers. That means that about 10% of total console userbase purchased Skyrim. ESO is going to be released on next gen consoles. So far Microsoft sold 3 millions of Xbone and Sony sold 4,2 millions of PS4. How many next gen consoles is going to be sold by the time of ESO release in June, I would say 20 millions total is being super optimistic. But lets go with that number, now assuming that same percentage of console userbase that got Skyrim will get ESO, Zenimax can count on 2 millions copies sold on consoles.

 

The point I'm trying to make here is that anyone expecting ESO to sell even remotely as good as Skyrim on consoles is going to be sorely disappointed.

  LeGrosGamer

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1/13/14 8:55:15 AM#113

 Sorry to burst your bubble, though you might be playing TESO, you won't be having a lot of people to play with and here's why : 

1- D3 Xpac will most likely come out before TESO.

2- More and more people who play mmorpg's are heading toward Space Sims which will really boom within 2 years from now,  Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen, Novus Aeterno.   These aren't you're conventional sword and fairy tales we got used to seeing since the early 90's. 

3- Let's face it, the RPG market is saturated to the point that nobody cares about new MMORPG releases.

   Problem with a MMO / Online TESO is that Bethesda have put more time into the "online" aspect of the game rather then in depth game play and storyline we are used to seeing in previous Elder Scrolls titles.  No matter how you look at it or sugar coat it, TESO won't do as good as Skyrim.  3 way PvP?   *sigh*       Elder Scrolls was all about exploration and searching for quests in the most impossible areas.  TESO, all the emphasis seems to be put on the 3 way PvP.  I won't be getting it because I know it will be anything like any previous Elder Scrolls.   First rule of business sequels, if it ain't broken, then don't freaking fix it !

  -aLpHa-

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1/13/14 9:01:12 AM#114


Originally posted by Jimmy562

Originally posted by fistorm

Originally posted by Ikeda

Originally posted by Jimmy562 Most Skyrim players couldn't mod their game. 
What pile of crap did you pull that random response at?   Frankly, since Steam doesn't release their sales numbers... you'd have to postulate (at best) to determine the sales of Skyrim on the PC.  You can take their highest concurrent users (something like 300K according to Steamdb) and go from there but you'll still not be close to an actual representation. Words like Most, Some, Lots, needs quantification in a big-boy argument along with at least SOME form of backing documentation.
Also agreeing with Ikeda here, and 300k was just the amount of players who were IN-GAME at the same time.   Modding community on steam is at least 2 million or less who use and probably over 1 million who have tried/or made mods.
There are a lot of sources out there that state the larger audience for Skyrim was on consoles. 

Here's one.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/

Granted I don't know how legit these guys are however those numbers don't surprise me at all.


Since Bethesda is a not a publicly traded company they don't need to release numbers, just like Steam doesn't need too, i will doubt some of those numbers.

Especially because the 14% on PC comes from retail copy's sold on the *first* day without including the digital sales.

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OP  1/13/14 9:01:17 AM#115
Originally posted by QuasiModron

When Skyrim was released at end of 2011 there were over 150 millions of Xbox360 + PS3 units sold to customers. That means that about 10% of total console userbase purchased Skyrim. ESO is going to be released on next gen consoles. So far Microsoft sold 3 millions of Xbone and Sony sold 4,2 millions of PS4. How many next gen consoles is going to be sold by the time of ESO release in June, I would say 20 millions total is being super optimistic. But lets go with that number, now assuming that same percentage of console userbase that got Skyrim will get ESO, Zenimax can count on 2 millions copies sold on consoles.

 

The point I'm trying to make here is that anyone expecting ESO to sell even remotely as good as Skyrim on consoles is going to be sorely disappointed.

I'm betting anyone whos a console player that loved SKYRIM will buy a next gen system (PS4 & xbox) just to play ESO.

 

The main reason I never bougth a ps3 was because no AAA mmorpgs were on it.   If they put one on it, I would have bought a PS3 in a heartbeat... 

  Betaguy

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1/13/14 9:02:16 AM#116
Originally posted by -aLpHa-

Skyrim and ESO are two completely different gametypes, i won't even dare compare them.

 

 Agree to disagree, I have over 500 hours at the moment into my Skyrim game and I have no qualms with ESO. Not sure what your talking about, they are not that different.

and to the OP above me, I am one of them people. PS4 not only for ESO but for The Division as well. ;)

  Your-Mom

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1/13/14 9:03:48 AM#117
They need to lift the NDA so we can have an open discussion about TESO, i personally got a lot to say, both good and bad, but i can't because of the ridiculous strict NDA the game is still under...with less than 10 weeks to release.
  jdnewell

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1/13/14 9:07:58 AM#118
Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by jdnewell
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
For the people saying "Skyrim had way more console players than PC players"... no matter how right or wrong you are (and I think you're actually right), how many console gamers will be wanting to give $15 a month to play TESO? Because a monthly fee is pretty much anti-console mentality, disregarding the quality of the game.

I agree.

Many console players are not going to like the $15 a month to play a game, any game, regardless. In regards to consoles a B2P with micro transactions would go over better overall. The same ones who wont pay $15 a month will spend twice that on the res kinned CoD or BF4 map packs each month.

I personally do not mind the sub fee for an MMO, but with the console release coming soon after the PC release they may have alienated many potential customers by not going with a B2P & MT system.

@ OP.  The only thing I can see them allowing you to MOD in TESO is the UI, and have addons like WoW and a few others. You will not be able to mod graphics client side.

I have to ask because I haven't had a console now in over 5 years, and mainly because they have not came out with any MMORPG's for the consoles.   FFXIV is the only other online MMORPG that I have seen on the ps4 so far, and that's sub based also.   Does ESO have any other MMORPG's to compete with on the console?    First person shooters don't count as rpgs.

 

Is there is no AAA title MMORPGs to compete with on the consoles?  If the answer is none, then people will pay subs no problems and it will be successful paying model.  Also, since it is the same model as the other MMORPG on the consoles, I don't see how users would have a problem with that unless they just want a game for free, or are a teen whos parents wont give them a bank card to use on the game.

 

I am not sure of the numbers when it comes to FF subs on the consoles so anything is just a guess. I just cant see it being a ton of console players. Many of those are die hard FF fans and / or played the previous game on the PS. Like I said tho thats just a guess and I could be way off base.

The parts in red classify many gamers in general, especially the want a game for free part.  And that will be the problem for ESO in general. Rest assured that if this game was F2P or B2P then half the people complaining would go away. Paying $15 a month is whats sticking in many peoples craw. Not mine or anyone I know, but the vocal minority just flat out hates sub based games it seems like.

Regardless we will see in a few months I suppose.

  Axxar

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1/13/14 9:08:02 AM#119
Would also love to see the NDA raised soon.

Currently playing: FTL, Hearthstone and Reaper of Souls.
Eagerly anticipating: Divinity: Original Sin, Elite: Dangerous, Legend of Grimrock 2 and Star Citizen.

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1/13/14 9:17:07 AM#120


Originally posted by Betaguy

Originally posted by -aLpHa- Skyrim and ESO are two completely different gametypes, i won't even dare compare them.  
 Agree to disagree, I have over 500 hours at the moment into my Skyrim game and I have no qualms with ESO. Not sure what your talking about, they are not that different.

and to the OP above me, I am one of them people. PS4 not only for ESO but for The Division as well. ;)



Since Skyrim is a Singleplayer game the developers have a completely different mindset how they will implement content into their game be it Combat/Encounters/Leveling/Graphical fidelity/Progression.

One of the big features that all the ES games had that i played was the scaling of content to your level, which i really liked. I could kill a big ass Dragon in a manner of minutes if i choose too.

You are welcome to agree to disagree but Skyrim is nothing like ESO in design for me, even their main focus is a completely different one.

I didn't go into the game and think this will be Skyrim online, no i had the mindset that this is Elder Scrolls online.

So i do not compare these 2 games.

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