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General Discussion  » The fact that this game is under NDA says more about the state of the game than anyone breaking the NDA

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  nilden

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OP  1/10/14 4:33:49 PM#1
Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

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  DamonVile

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1/10/14 4:35:49 PM#2
Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?
  Phry

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1/10/14 4:38:33 PM#3
Oddly enough i am not aware of any game that was in anything other than Open Beta, that didnt have an NDA, and even some that were. If a game is in closed Beta, then it will always have an NDA in force. Have to be a bit new to the scene not to know this tbh.
  Nadia

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1/10/14 4:40:37 PM#4

release is still 4 months away

probably will be at least some sort of press open beta before launch

  Doogiehowser

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1/10/14 4:41:50 PM#5
Originally posted by nilden
Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

What a weird post. All MMOS are under NDA during closed beta phase before release.

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  Itsabouteconomics

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1/10/14 4:42:17 PM#6

I cant comment on the state of the game but Im looking forward to Beta testing.

 

Why are you so concerned about the NDA?  IF you wanted info on the game, it was so easy to get into the Beta your complaining about.

 

I think all of us in Beta have an opinion about the Beta.  Im not concerned about anyone else and their opinion about the game to say anything about it.

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1/10/14 4:46:10 PM#7
Originally posted by Itsabouteconomics

I cant comment on the state of the game but Im looking forward to Beta testing.

 

Why are you so concerned about the NDA?  IF you wanted info on the game, it was so easy to get into the Beta your complaining about.

 

I think all of us in Beta have an opinion about the Beta.  Im not concerned about anyone else and their opinion about the game to say anything about it.

It was? I don't recall anyone coming to my front door and asking me to please join the beta.

Hey, they should want me in their beta, I'm just that good! 

Enjoy your weekend guys, give it a good shakedown.

 

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  nilden

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OP  1/10/14 4:46:30 PM#8
Originally posted by DamonVile
Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

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  JJ82

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1/10/14 4:47:36 PM#9

it IS starting to get close to the point where most of the major older MMOs enter open beta with a lifting of the NDA.

AC1, EQ1, DaoC, SWG, WoW....all had their NDA lifted at around the 4 month mark with a few at 3.

If TESO doesn't go into open beta in the next month, it will leave little time to hammer out the bugs you get from various systems and the game will have a poor launch like AO, AoC and a few others that had little open testing.

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  MikePaladin

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1/10/14 4:53:42 PM#10

I guess they are polishing the content and don't want to spoil every thing plus to all GAMERS today are such DRAMA QUEENS and will start anti ESO campaign because they played Closed beta.

Also why to worries people will buy the game anyway in near future nothing better than ESO so every one will give a shot. And again your speculation a non sens! Did you play the CBT ? No ? Well don't judge then

  Itsabouteconomics

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1/10/14 4:57:37 PM#11
Originally posted by JJ82

it IS starting to get close to the point where most of the major older MMOs enter open beta with a lifting of the NDA.

AC1, EQ1, DaoC, SWG, WoW....all had their NDA lifted at around the 4 month mark with a few at 3.

If TESO doesn't go into open beta in the next month, it will leave little time to hammer out the bugs you get from various systems and the game will have a poor launch like AO, AoC and a few others that had little open testing.

Ahh,  the Holy Pentagon of Mmo's  have been brought into the equation. 

 

Perhaps Teso will fail ,   if:then. 

  DocBrody

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1/10/14 5:02:13 PM#12

I´ve agreed to some NDAs and at the end most of the MMOs were really good.

Secret World for example. Ok that was not so polished at NDA beta but around 1.2 it started to seriously kick ass.

  Doogiehowser

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1/10/14 5:06:18 PM#13
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by DamonVile
Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

GW2 had its closed beta phase too. You are assuming that alll MMOS follow same patterns when it comes to NDA.

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  Torvaldr

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1/10/14 5:07:15 PM#14
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Itsabouteconomics

I cant comment on the state of the game but Im looking forward to Beta testing.

Why are you so concerned about the NDA?  IF you wanted info on the game, it was so easy to get into the Beta your complaining about.

I think all of us in Beta have an opinion about the Beta.  Im not concerned about anyone else and their opinion about the game to say anything about it.

It was? I don't recall anyone coming to my front door and asking me to please join the beta.

Hey, they should want me in their beta, I'm just that good! 

Enjoy your weekend guys, give it a good shakedown.

I even asked to join so easy must be relative. It's okay, the game doesn't sound like it's for me. I don't like daoc style pvp and there are a few other details that sound iffy to me.

Curse you AquaScum!

  nilden

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OP  1/10/14 5:08:31 PM#15
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by DamonVile
Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

GW2 had its closed beta phase too. You are assuming that alll MMOS follow same patterns when it comes to NDA.

No I'm not. I'm comparing a specific example with dates and the same weekend events process.

One lifted the NDA one did not.

Guild Wars 2 Beta wiki

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  PsychoPigeon

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1/10/14 6:05:47 PM#16
Just to point out - ArcheAge in Korea had no NDA, we were free to write reviews of our experience, post pictures and video. They had nothing to hid and it was great PR.
  squalleonaha

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1/10/14 6:10:00 PM#17

in my life time experience. all game game that have NDA usu8ally trying to scam player, they scare to lets people know clearly about their games that why they using NDA

FF14 was an example.

they only allow nice thing like screenshot,wallpaper and some movie-making video clip.

  User Deleted
1/10/14 6:14:52 PM#18
Originally posted by nilden
Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

I know, it's crazy that they're actually using the Beta process for things like bug fixes and feedback, rather than publicity and marketing.

  furbans

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1/10/14 6:15:31 PM#19
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by DamonVile
Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

So you are making judgements based on one isolated incident that was completely against the norm?

Betas are 99.999 repeating % of the time do not allow players to discuss publically their experience since much of the stuff is an in process status.

  Latronus

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1/10/14 6:17:32 PM#20
Originally posted by JJ82

it IS starting to get close to the point where most of the major older MMOs enter open beta with a lifting of the NDA.

AC1, EQ1, DaoC, SWG, WoW....all had their NDA lifted at around the 4 month mark with a few at 3.

If TESO doesn't go into open beta in the next month, it will leave little time to hammer out the bugs you get from various systems and the game will have a poor launch like AO, AoC and a few others that had little open testing.

While you may think you have a point, open betas are usually more for stress testing servers and hardware not for ironing out bugs.  That doesn't mean that bugs aren't found and fixed, but that's not the major point of an open beta.

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