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  Rylah

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Joined: 2/25/09
Posts: 187

1/09/14 2:20:54 PM#61
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Your PvP is based around a way to not lose your digital item.

Wrong. "My" PvP is based around the desire to have fun. That is my only driver to play games at all. EvE makes it easy to have fun, since you have the risk vs. reward scheme. You can lose a lot, but your loss is usually someone elses gain. And vice versa. All 42 plexes dropped for example and the guy who made the kill managed to secure them and was a happy panda with little tears of joy in his eyes from all I heard.

In other games the PvP is pure ePeen without any consquences whatsoever on your ability to play the game. In EvE (and I so hoped in ArcheAge) it can give you a major boost or make you go back to the start.

 

 

  User Deleted
1/09/14 2:23:42 PM#62
Originally posted by LlexX
Originally posted by Jonas_SG

So fear to you is meaningful PvP? You are so scared to lose some digital item - that it becomes epitome of PvP?

Actually it is.

PvP->risk->fear->loss/gain

Open world PvP with territory control is a "meaningful PvP", while the instanced/battleground PvP is just "trash PvP".

" Fear is the path to the dark side. "

Open world PvP has many faces. In EvE online - besides fear of loosing ships and geting moons to craft Capitals - that is the boundry of  " meaningful PvP " there.

Hundreds of star systems - and no reason to fight other then for the sake of fighting.

It's like imagine a game where it's just you and your friend troublemaker. You fight each other, over and over again, and as you fight you get stronger and stronger - but the question still remains " Why are you fighting? " - meaningless PvP.

 

 

  User Deleted
1/09/14 2:26:57 PM#63
Originally posted by Rylah
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Your PvP is based around a way to not lose your digital item.

Wrong. "My" PvP is based around the desire to have fun. That is my only driver to play games at all. EvE makes it easy to have fun, since you have the risk vs. reward scheme. You can lose a lot, but your loss is usually someone elses gain. And vice versa. All 42 plexes dropped for example and the guy who made the kill managed to secure them and was a happy panda with little tears of joy in his eyes from all I heard.

In other games the PvP is pure ePeen without any consquences whatsoever on your ability to play the game. In EvE (and I so hoped in ArcheAge) it can give you a major boost or make you go back to the start.

 

 

So your idea of fun is watching others suffer.

Now, I am okey with you not playing Archeage.

  mindw0rk

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Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 1366

 
OP  1/09/14 2:31:30 PM#64

First calling Archeage a roleplay heaven. Then saying that EVE doesnt have meaningful PvP.

Jonas, seriously...

  User Deleted
1/09/14 2:36:08 PM#65
Originally posted by mindw0rk

First calling Archeage a roleplay heaven. Then saying that EVE doesnt have meaningful PvP.

Jonas, seriously...

What's wrong with having a different opinion from your own?

  mindw0rk

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Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 1366

 
OP  1/09/14 3:28:49 PM#66
Originally posted by Jonas_SG 

What's wrong with having a different opinion from your own?

You had to ask yourself this question before arguing with me.

  User Deleted
1/09/14 3:31:15 PM#67
Originally posted by mindw0rk
Originally posted by Jonas_SG 

What's wrong with having a different opinion from your own?

You had to ask yourself this question before starting arguing with me.

If you can't tolerate the feedback on your review, you shouldn't make one in the first place.

  LordPerrin2

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Joined: 12/01/11
Posts: 2

1/09/14 11:02:56 PM#68

I to would like to add my $0.02


I have played and beta tested more games than most of you =o) Please raise your hand if you beta tested M59 or UO =o) Hell if you did wave (SrBardGrayHaven/SoulCatcher here) I'm older than dirt =o) some of you may need to Google those (wink) you know who you are.


Archeage IS the next great game. Its not EQN, Wild Star or ESO (I'll be in ESO this weekend to see the changes but I don’t expect much)


ArcheAge is not WoW and if that’s what your looking for WildStar is your game.


If your are interested in a true MMO that is SUBVERSIVE of the current MMO WoW standard then this is your new game.


ArcheAge is hard, Jake is making it where you only get ahead if you work hard, Solo or in a group. You can buy stuff but that stuff is cool but it does not affect game play.


You cant cheat and buy WoW gold from farmers you cant do the many accepted issues(cough bot) game company’s allow.


It is a true old days earn your way game. Its not for the faint at heart; you can work like a dog and loose everything. You can go to prison and be labeled for the rest of your character life, and your peers decide this.


Its the best PvP I have ever played and Yes I have played it on the Japanese servers and I cant read Japanese, but I still played. I expect Trion to make this game there new flagship game very soon. I expect to see lots of press maybe bigger than Rift =o) Scott better not let us down!


It has won every award in the Asian Pacific gaming world. The issues you bring up are some of the positive points that make it different. Its not a WoW clone in any form. Its not even a close cousin to Lineage 1 or 2. It is the first and best 4th generation MMO.


Only HARD CORE gamers welcome.

  mcrippins

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Joined: 7/01/07
Posts: 1006

1/10/14 3:08:58 AM#69
Originally posted by LordPerrin2

I to would like to add my $0.02


I have played and beta tested more games than most of you =o) Please raise your hand if you beta tested M59 or UO =o) Hell if you did wave (SrBardGrayHaven/SoulCatcher here) I'm older than dirt =o) some of you may need to Google those (wink) you know who you are.


Archeage IS the next great game. Its not EQN, Wild Star or ESO (I'll be in ESO this weekend to see the changes but I don’t expect much)


ArcheAge is not WoW and if that’s what your looking for WildStar is your game.


If your are interested in a true MMO that is SUBVERSIVE of the current MMO WoW standard then this is your new game.


ArcheAge is hard, Jake is making it where you only get ahead if you work hard, Solo or in a group. You can buy stuff but that stuff is cool but it does not affect game play.


You cant cheat and buy WoW gold from farmers you cant do the many accepted issues(cough bot) game company’s allow.


It is a true old days earn your way game. Its not for the faint at heart; you can work like a dog and loose everything. You can go to prison and be labeled for the rest of your character life, and your peers decide this.


Its the best PvP I have ever played and Yes I have played it on the Japanese servers and I cant read Japanese, but I still played. I expect Trion to make this game there new flagship game very soon. I expect to see lots of press maybe bigger than Rift =o) Scott better not let us down!


It has won every award in the Asian Pacific gaming world. The issues you bring up are some of the positive points that make it different. Its not a WoW clone in any form. Its not even a close cousin to Lineage 1 or 2. It is the first and best 4th generation MMO.


Only HARD CORE gamers welcome.

This is interesting. I've been looking at this game for a long time, and like you, I am older than dirt. I also was fortunate enough to beta UO and play it for a number of years. 

 

The thing is - if your review is correct, then I am highly interested in this game. If the OP's view is correct, then I will be incredibly sad. It's still hard for me to believe that all characters are either useless or 1 button spammers, but i've seen worse. I really hope this isn't the case. Luckily i've been able to get my sandbox/pvp fix from Rust. 

  KeksX

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Joined: 1/26/10
Posts: 47

1/10/14 7:15:37 AM#70

Hello,

 

if I might add my 2 cents, some time ago I made a review of the Korean Version after playing it for months. I've posted the review here:

http://archeagesource.com/topic/1804-56kphone-warning-personal-review-what-you-should-know-about-archeage/

It might seem old but I think it's still relevant. For the people still undecided: You might want to check the stories section. It's also going to be updated next month with RU info and more detailed/well written/less biased paragraphes about everything! =)

  mindw0rk

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Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 1366

 
OP  1/10/14 7:31:27 AM#71
Originally posted by KeksX

if I might add my 2 cents, some time ago I made a review of the Korean Version after playing it for months. I've posted the review here:

http://archeagesource.com/topic/1804-56kphone-warning-personal-review-what-you-should-know-about-archeage/

 

Wow. Thats a really indepth and useful info. 

  negativf4kk

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Joined: 6/25/12
Posts: 371

1/10/14 8:49:10 AM#72

Most of the staff OP wrote is true, but i dont consider it negative, this kind of a game attracts me.

Skill wise it reminded me of TSW wheel, lots of possibilities, but i reality only couple good builds.

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  maccarthur2004

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1/10/14 4:19:14 PM#73
Originally posted by LlexX
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by Rylah
Originally posted by Jonas_SG

EvE has a meaningful PvP? - You should be a comedian.

Care to explain what meaningful PvP >>in a MMORPG<< is for you, if not EvEs? Synthetic arenas? Battlegrounds which yield welfare epics for more grind than the bloody PvE instances? Some equally synthetic leaderboards?

The meaning in PvP as played out in EvE is in the consequences. You have to properly prepare and plan otherwise you will very probably get ganked. It is much more tactical and strategical than in other games where you just rush in head first, since the worst that can happen to you is to get revived at the next spawn point without any loss whatsoever, not even item damage in PvP.

In EvE on the other hand you can lose 42 plex worth 800$ in a second when you insist on being stupid like the guy who shutteled them around in a noobship. Also PvP and ship loss is the driving factor of the ingame economy. And without loss (and major loss) ingame economies suck. Most games just make your items obsolete by some artificial "soulbinding" mechanism to drive need which is far inferiour ond less fun than having stuff blown up.

So fear to you is meaningful PvP? You are so scared to lose some digital item - that it becomes epitome of PvP?

Actually it is.

PvP->risk->fear->loss/gain

Open world PvP with territory control is a "meaningful PvP", while the instanced/battleground PvP is just "trash PvP".

I call them "minigame pvp" or "score pvp". :)

Meaningful pvp is when do you have a reason to fight beyond the fight itself (what rules out the "score" type). I consider pvp fights motivated by personal wrangles meaningful too.

 

 

 

"What we are aiming in ArcheAge is to let the players feel the true fun of MMORPG by forming a community like real life by interacting with other players, whether it be conflict or cooperation." (Jake Song)

  Rylah

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Joined: 2/25/09
Posts: 187

1/11/14 6:18:15 PM#74
Originally posted by maccarthur2004

Meaningful pvp is when do you have a reason to fight beyond the fight itself (what rules out the "score" type). I consider pvp fights motivated by personal wrangles meaningful too.

Nicely put.

And to Jonas: When you play chess do you do it out of fear or because you want to see others suffer? And when you play Poker for real money? Sometimes common sense brings you farther than some nerdy pseudo-psychology. Risk and Reward are motivational helpers and aso serve to further immersion. There is no other game I know off where simple travelling is so full of suspense as in EvE at times.

About ArcheAge. Assuming the info in the archeage-source thread by KeksX is correct I fail to see the "hardcore" aspect. It sounds even worse than Teras safezone hugging. And what did they make of the original idea of the sieges?

Anyways. I will wait until Trion publishes their ideas and changes.

  User Deleted
1/12/14 11:12:38 AM#75
Originally posted by Rylah
 

Anyways. I will wait until Trion publishes their ideas and changes.

There will be no changes, all clients are the same, some and just further behind then Koreans.

  ReaperJoda

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1/12/14 11:17:13 AM#76
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by Rylah
 

Anyways. I will wait until Trion publishes their ideas and changes.

There will be no changes, all clients are the same, some and just further behind then Koreans.

^ this .....which makes one wonder since XL is doing all that WTF is trion doing at all beside translating the game and lying to us over and over about the progress and info dumps.

 

 

.......sadly once AA is released here all of us (inc me) will  lap trions garbage all  up =(

 

  -aLpHa-

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1/12/14 2:04:12 PM#77


Originally posted by ReaperJoda

Originally posted by Jonas_SG

Originally posted by Rylah

 
Anyways. I will wait until Trion publishes their ideas and changes.
There will be no changes, all clients are the same, some and just further behind then Koreans.
^ this .....which makes one wonder since XL is doing all that WTF is trion doing at all beside translating the game and lying to us over and over about the progress and info dumps.

 

 

.......sadly once AA is released here all of us (inc me) will  lap trions garbage all  up =(

 


I trust Trion as far as i can throw them and i mean the actual Trion HQ building.

  RelGn

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1/12/14 10:00:54 PM#78
Originally posted by steelwind

Wow there is soooo much fail in this review.

Maybe this reviewer should stick to themeparks because it is painfully obvious that is how he is choosing to play AA.

Getting really tired of this kind of reviewer whom feel they need to share their narrow minded view of how they choose to play AA while ignoring 99% of what makes AA unique. Yet another reviewer whom ignored most of the sandbox and played AA like wow, then condemned it.

Honestly everything you decided to review, should have been a footnote to the ACTUAL engaging features AA has but if you can't get out of the themepark mentality, than this is what you get.

 

+1

I think he is still under the wow sickness spell.

For some people it takes aeons to wear off

 

 

  SanguisAstra

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1/13/14 5:50:49 PM#79

@LordPerrin2. . .

 

One post? Seriously? I don't think you're credible enough to really be making reviews but OK.

 

Anyway@ the OP:

 

Thanks for the honest review.  It pretty much just sounds like every other Asian MMO to come out in the last...ten years lol.  That review also answered my question: is it going P2P subscription or F2P.  My guess is that it's going F2P right out the box.  those parts of the game sounds pretty terrible. . .and the currency system is awful as well.  Anyway Thank you for shedding the truth about the game.

It's funny that the fanboys (who'e never played the game as the OP has...or at all) are so quick to bash the guy for being honest.

Amazing how people can get their feelings hurt over someone's negative review over something they like.  Anyway, I'd just ignroe their posts OP and keep alerting us when shitty games are coming out, to help protect consumers from these types of clusterFucks and yeah, this game sounds like the designers have no idea about game design 101 at all.  Just from hearing the features when he's not giving the negative parts of it I can tell "yeah this game is going to suck"

 

OH and LOL to the fanboys getting so desperate they try to Bash EVE /facepalm . . .so bad. . .so bad.

The Article I saw the othe rposter link was good. . .but it seemed to kind of sugar coat what the OP was saying, which is fune, but I can read throuhg the lines. . .

However, what the article said next is somethign that will keep me off this game forever:

The Problem with Free To Play in Korea

As of the 3rd of july, ArcheAg is free to play in korea. This means you can play without having any gametime, but there are some restrictions. If you want to read more details about this, check my post:

 

Generally, this is not much of a problem. If you want to regenerate and participate in the housing you have to pay a monthly fee, otherwise you only get to fight and buy stuff.

Botting will always be an issue, no matter what business model, so I don't dislike the system because of that.

What really bothers me is the high amount of pay to win in this game.

There is an item shop in which you can buy rice cakes for real money. Those rice cakes give you 500 labour points on a cooldown of one hour. So an additional 12k labour points a day. I won't even start to talk about problems like credit card fraud, this is not part of the game.

In this shop, you can buy goods with these rice cakes. Those goods are among other things cars, costumes with stats, mounts and gliders. Some of these, such as the gliders and mounts, can only be obtained through this item shop. The car and the costumes however an also be crafted ingame. And with the ricecakes being tradeable, you could actually try and get all of this without investing real money. But there is also another currency which I honestly don't know much about right now.

My point is: By buying rice cakes in the item shop you can buy everything, including castles if you manage your guild right. This does not even include ItemBay, a big korean site where players legally sell their equipment and ingame gold just like people sell their old couch on eBay.

All in all, the free to play system brought many bots, a pay to win system and a massive deflation of players. I am not the only one liking the system, and if you watched the player numbers in the past, you can see many koreans dislike it too.

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This is an absolute game breaker, and why I hate F2P business models and will never play a game like that.  These models take relatively GOOD games, and ruin them.  WIth F2P games, the Devs for some reason feel that they don't need to provide as much customer service, or fixes or upgrades in content to their game.

Of course the most dammagine abotu F2P P2W games is that these attract Hordes of botters and exploiters.

Which these companies pretty much outright ignore.  It's gotten so bad that people EXPECT botters in mmos saying stuff like "they're in EVERY GAME"

. . .no they're not.  Hell I've even seen PRIVATE servers of certain F2P MMO's run by teenagers in their mothers basements, have the client PATCHED to where any bot running, doesn't even work!  How hard is it to hire ONE guy, to monitor the hacks, and program constant patches to the game everyweek to make sure bots don't work in the first place? If a teenager living at home can do it, a professional company can definately do it.. . .

But of course that actualyl loses the company money, since the extreme sense of scarcity, and inflation is gone. so players don't feel the need to buy more and more gold or poitns or wahtever from the company. . .instead just pay what one normally would for a sub and play the game to progress.

These are the worst kinds of games, and why many people (including me) prefer sub based games, because at least the devs have some PRESSURE to fix exploits and bots, instead of just ignoring it.

 

 

Anyway, @ the OP: keep up the good work, ignore the fanboys. Have a great day!

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1/14/14 2:14:00 AM#80
Originally posted by SanguisAstra

@LordPerrin2. . .

 

One post? Seriously? I don't think you're credible enough to really be making reviews but OK.

 

Anyway@ the OP:

 

Thanks for the honest review.  It pretty much just sounds like every other Asian MMO to come out in the last...ten years lol. 

I stoped reading after this. I realised you undermined your own credibility in that one last sentence, so no matter what came after it would not be an objective review anymore.

 

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