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General Discussion  » There Should Be A Petition For A True Open World Experience And Non-Restricted Open World PVP

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  darkraigne

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1/09/14 12:39:09 PM#121
Oh and I don't particularly want full loot open world pvp just open world pvp also open world pvp doesn't break the lore one but just gives you the option to kill who you want whenever you want not that you should or you won't be penalised if you do just simply you can if you choose to just like you can in real life you have a choice to kill or not kill. If your in the army and carry a weapon you have the option to use that weapon on who ever you like. I really don't see how that would break the lore it just makes it more realistic.
  JJ82

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Posts: 918

1/09/14 12:46:35 PM#122
Originally posted by Macrinus101

I don't know what is wrong with these mindless developers.

 Don't lump all developers into where these guys are. DaoC produced some of the worst developers in the genre, they are the only ones I can think of that has not learned anything new in terms of MMO design.

Compare them to anyone else, anyone, and you see growth and new ideas. TESO however isn't bringing a single innovation, not even gaming sites that kiss up to them have articles talking about a single thing that is in TESO that is new to the genre. That says all that needs to be said about them.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  darkraigne

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1/09/14 12:49:43 PM#123
How can you mention the war z as a game that failed due to open world pvp that's simply not true it fail cuz it's quite possibly the worse game ever. And the guy named to mmo's that have lived on strong with open world pvp one of which is arguable the best mmo ever made also to make a point of mmo's that have failed to justify why it's a bad idea to implement open world pvp is pointless as most mmo's fail due to bad development, lack of content, and boring game play and this is true for open pvp mmo's and carebear hold your hand mmo's the truth is both work and fail in the own capacity the argument is weather owPvP should be implemented in this particular mmo. And my point on why it should be still stand. I like the level of realism owPvP brings to a game not that in this area your weapons only work on npc's I mean really can't we all agree that's lame?! Why don't you state the reasons why you don't like open pvp that way we as a community can work around these areas feed it back to the devs and come with a solution to make open pvp work for all of us
  darkraigne

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1/09/14 12:52:21 PM#124
Sorry for the bad grammar and spelling errors I'm tired as hell and on my iPhone but I'm sure you get my points.
  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7203

1/09/14 12:53:23 PM#125
I agree with this so much. It is a potential down fall. If cryodill isn't amazing, I can't see it lasting longer than 3 months for me. . Swtor made this mistake, TSW, as did  GW2. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Grimfargo

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Joined: 6/30/10
Posts: 44

1/09/14 1:00:44 PM#126
Well if you dont like it, go get Darkfall, Mortal Online and many other "True open world pvp" games.
  darkraigne

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Posts: 17

1/09/14 1:07:45 PM#127
Oh @gruug do you know what open world means?? You say if you want open world pvp play cod or bf?? There instanced maps that you select to enter nowhere near open world!

Open world pvp games are like eve online or the age of wushu.

People can we start by listing what we hold against open world PvP instead of just bashing it.

Is it griefers?

Answer to that level up and kill them or team up and kill them.

Is it the challenge??

Try mysims

Is it the fear of trying something new?

The only cure for this would be plugging in your Atari and going back to basics.
  Lyrian

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Joined: 4/23/07
Posts: 246

1/09/14 1:11:46 PM#128

I'd go the opposite direction and sign a petition to have zero pvp in ESO. Don't want it, don't need it.

Locked Faction pvp is a thing of the past. All PvP should stem from player controlled alliances in competition for in-game resources like EVE does. That is the surest and purest form of PvP that can possibly be invented. At no point should PvP be the focus of your game. You create a hyper niche market in a game like that, pvp should be the glue that holds a game together and makes it better, much like spices in a tasty dish.

  Nanfoodle

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1/09/14 1:13:01 PM#129
Originally posted by flguy147
Cyrodiil is suppose to be huge.  People act like its a little batteground or Scenerio.  I think its suppose the be the size of the whole entire Skyrim game.  Just one zone is like an entire game itself.  So to me that is pretty open as in PVP eventhough you cant go quite everywhere in the game.  

Its really a open world MMO in the middle of the game. It has towns you can quest in and take over. Dungeons, instanced and persistent world. I think open world fans will be shocked how much they will love this map.

  darkraigne

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Posts: 17

1/09/14 1:18:35 PM#130
@grimfargo dark fall is like graphics from 6 years ago. Mortal online is not that bad but just mweeh. Eve online is exultant but only so long you can play one game lol and age of wushu although really good the p2w skills just started to take the piss.

I mean it's about time we had a new high budget owPvP mmo and not the typical WoW click move clone but an actually skill based mmo where things like aiming movement and positioning actually matter.
Planetside 2 would be my answer to fill the void if it only had some more rpg elements and story. But looking at all the previous games in the series I would of just assumed an elder scrolls mmo would mean open PvP but yeah I guess I'll just be playing this until something ticks more boxes as opposed to sticking around and supporting long term.
  Psion33

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Joined: 8/06/13
Posts: 257

1/09/14 1:23:37 PM#131

I would, as long as there's no ill reprocussions from it. I can already see the 'stay at home' gamers sitting there all day. I'd engage the PVP for about 5 minutes daily then probably move on.

  darkraigne

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Posts: 17

1/09/14 1:23:57 PM#132
@nanfoodle I hope your right and you really could be but I still can help wishing the while game was open world pvp.

@Lyrian I really don't get what point your making it was like your comments was from two different view points one was saying you don't want PvP and the other was you don't want locked faction PvP but it should be from player controlled alliances?? Sorry just didn't see your point or what you was getting at.
  JJ82

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Posts: 918

1/09/14 1:24:28 PM#133
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Its really a open world MMO in the middle of the game.

 A game cannot be open world in part of it. Its either open world or its not.

It would be like saying a game is a free for all open world PvP game in part of it.

Which brings up another point. There are a lot of people in this thread that does not know the difference between open world PvP and free for all.

Asking for open world PvP is asking for the ABILITY to flag for PvP and fight ANYWHERE. It is not asking for a 100% everyone is flagged for PvP all the time type game which is a free for all PvP game. A TES MMO should be an open world with open world PvP.

"People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  Rusque

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Posts: 1689

1/09/14 1:28:29 PM#134

So . . . go start a petition, why bother telling us a petition should be made?

 

Here you go: http://www.change.org/petition

Go make your petition. Best of luck.

  Psion33

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Posts: 257

1/09/14 1:31:45 PM#135
Originally posted by Rusque

So . . . go start a petition, why bother telling us a petition should be made?

 

Here you go: http://www.change.org/petition

Go make your petition. Best of luck.

 

Lol them change.org people. I wonder how much money they make off the backs of "wishing" people. :D

  darkraigne

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Posts: 17

1/09/14 1:31:54 PM#136
Just to clarify I think it would work as open world free for all pvp with consequences like eve online. Yes you can start a fight in a starter area but before you win some lvl 1000+ mob will kill you and as you go further from the starter zones the penalties become less until you reach Cyrodiil where all restrictions are lifted on the outer edges of the city maybe have a bounty system in other areas npc's mob support to help stop ganking and other ideas like this would make a free for all owPvP experience for everyone.
  Psion33

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1/09/14 1:33:10 PM#137
Originally posted by darkraigne
Just to clarify I think it would work as open world free for all pvp with consequences like eve online. Yes you can start a fight in a starter area but before you win some lvl 1000+ mob will kill you and as you go further from the starter zones the penalties become less until you reach Cyrodiil where all restrictions are lifted on the outer edges of the city maybe have a bounty system in other areas npc's mob support to help stop ganking and other ideas like this would make a free for all owPvP experience for everyone.

 

Sounds like a coding nightmare. Imagine all the heartbeat scripts needing to be checked.

  ElRenmazuo

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1/09/14 1:40:31 PM#138
Originally posted by Sleepyfish

Really, what do you call this:

And this:

Or, how about this:

 

 

Trash mobs.  

He was responding to this comment, not pvp.

"sadly, these fantasy MMO's will probably not have a first person view that you can actually play in and see your sword/shield"

  Lyrian

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Joined: 4/23/07
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1/09/14 1:46:22 PM#139
Originally posted by darkraigne
@Lyrian I really don't get what point your making it was like your comments was from two different view points one was saying you don't want PvP and the other was you don't want locked faction PvP but it should be from player controlled alliances?? Sorry just didn't see your point or what you was getting at.

Yeah I changed my mind half way through what I was thinking and didn't quite erase everything. Shift work FTW.

I think player controlled alliances are the way to go with the game instead of locking players to a set faction. That way players can make and shape the world exactly how they want it to be.

That and on a completely unrelated note with regards to ESO I am slightly bitter that I can't play a Khajit along with the human races, because I simply cannot stand elves on that faction.

  DocBrody

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1/09/14 1:47:18 PM#140

what do you want, we already have the massive number of triple A produced non-carebear MMOs

EvE, Darkfall. 

Oh wait

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