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  ElRenmazuo

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1/09/14 3:06:12 AM#161
Originally posted by Ganksinatra

This is absolutely a non issue. The people acting like this is rampant are cherry picking their data to prove a point. You want to know why there aren't more minorities in videogames? Because people don't want to hear "Why is the Asian guy always the smartest guy?!?!" or "Why is the black guy always the bad guy?!?!".....we would rather have these asinine conversations about a silly, trumped up race card tossing then hear people complain after they get their way when their particular race isn't shown in the most positive light or in a stereotypical way. Stereotypes, as you all know (but refuse to accept), are often steeped in reality. Some are ridiculous, of course, but a good deal of them are based, at least partially, on truth. Then, people get butthurt when that particular personality quirk or behavior is actually observed.

 

I, too, can cherry pick my data to prove the exact opposite hypothesis:

 

Raubahn, in FF14, is clearly a black man.

Erudites in Everquest lore are black people.

Drakken in Everquest, are clearly Asian.

Perfect World greatly represents all races.

Secret World does the same.

Dark Age of Camelot was also all inclusive.

I could go on, but you get the point......

Raubahn is persian, Uldah its self is very persian.  Im persian/indian my self.

  Maquiame

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1/09/14 3:27:30 AM#162
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Originally posted by Ganksinatra

This is absolutely a non issue. The people acting like this is rampant are cherry picking their data to prove a point. You want to know why there aren't more minorities in videogames? Because people don't want to hear "Why is the Asian guy always the smartest guy?!?!" or "Why is the black guy always the bad guy?!?!".....we would rather have these asinine conversations about a silly, trumped up race card tossing then hear people complain after they get their way when their particular race isn't shown in the most positive light or in a stereotypical way. Stereotypes, as you all know (but refuse to accept), are often steeped in reality. Some are ridiculous, of course, but a good deal of them are based, at least partially, on truth. Then, people get butthurt when that particular personality quirk or behavior is actually observed.

 

I, too, can cherry pick my data to prove the exact opposite hypothesis:

 

Raubahn, in FF14, is clearly a black man.

Erudites in Everquest lore are black people.

Drakken in Everquest, are clearly Asian.

Perfect World greatly represents all races.

Secret World does the same.

Dark Age of Camelot was also all inclusive.

I could go on, but you get the point......

Raubahn is persian, Uldah its self is very persian.  Im persian/indian my self.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Raubahn_Aldynn

Raubahn is a male Highlander Hyur with brown dreadlocks and a beard. On his back he wears his two large swords and a shield.

Raubahn has dreads and is not originally from Ul'dah. Trust me the japanese don't just put in details like this just because. 

He's black, otherwise they would not have given him dreads. There are also alot of "black jokes and expressions" in Ul'dah on many of the quests.

"Once you go black...." is one of them that you will hear when  you are seeking fashion advice in the huge red carpet area walkway with the steps.

 

Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!

  Elikal

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1/09/14 3:47:51 AM#163
Originally posted by Viare

Im black as fuck, and im also a mmo fanatic. hehehe im so proud of our community for bringing this up, the lack of black people or a black avatar choice has always DESTROYED immersion for me..  Its nothing personal my caucasion friends :)   But think of it like this, you get to the entire end of Lord of the rings extended edition, all three DVD's DONE!... then you realize... Hey... where duh fuq are the black people... then you get to... The only black people were evil... LOL! i remember this destroyed LOTR for me.  THEN!!! I download the game like fuck ya here i come online world.   And I cant even make a black character... I then LOL hard to myself hahahaa.  Times are getting better though, i remember when you could only be a caucasion male in most games.   Im so used to it though I find it more commical.  Like in the desolation of smaug the only scene with black people is when the dwarfs are talking to the king of that floating city. Feels like they just peppered them in there, like they all of a sudden had the same wtf moment I did years ago lool. I think tolkien just didnt have black people in his fantasy world.  It is what it is ;) 

 

Thanks for sharing. :)

I will be even more mindful.

 

Yeah I noticed the black woman in the Lake Town scene too! :)

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  ElRenmazuo

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Joined: 10/28/06
Posts: 4346

1/09/14 4:27:17 AM#164
Originally posted by Maquiame
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Originally posted by Ganksinatra

This is absolutely a non issue. The people acting like this is rampant are cherry picking their data to prove a point. You want to know why there aren't more minorities in videogames? Because people don't want to hear "Why is the Asian guy always the smartest guy?!?!" or "Why is the black guy always the bad guy?!?!".....we would rather have these asinine conversations about a silly, trumped up race card tossing then hear people complain after they get their way when their particular race isn't shown in the most positive light or in a stereotypical way. Stereotypes, as you all know (but refuse to accept), are often steeped in reality. Some are ridiculous, of course, but a good deal of them are based, at least partially, on truth. Then, people get butthurt when that particular personality quirk or behavior is actually observed.

 

I, too, can cherry pick my data to prove the exact opposite hypothesis:

 

Raubahn, in FF14, is clearly a black man.

Erudites in Everquest lore are black people.

Drakken in Everquest, are clearly Asian.

Perfect World greatly represents all races.

Secret World does the same.

Dark Age of Camelot was also all inclusive.

I could go on, but you get the point......

Raubahn is persian, Uldah its self is very persian.  Im persian/indian my self.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Raubahn_Aldynn

Raubahn is a male Highlander Hyur with brown dreadlocks and a beard. On his back he wears his two large swords and a shield.

Raubahn has dreads and is not originally from Ul'dah. Trust me the japanese don't just put in details like this just because. 

He's black, otherwise they would not have given him dreads. There are also alot of "black jokes and expressions" in Ul'dah on many of the quests.

"Once you go black...." is one of them that you will hear when  you are seeking fashion advice in the huge red carpet area walkway with the steps.

 

Whatever race you wanna think he is, I know one thing and those are braids, not dreads.  Can you not see the twists?  And you do know that square doesnt write those entries in the wiki other than the words in the quotes.  Also in Final Fantasy 11s version of him he was a blue mage which was a persian themed class too.  Plus his name is very persian or indian too like the Arabic name Subhan.  And black people arent the only ones who can have dreadlocks

  crack_fox

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1/09/14 4:33:26 AM#165
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo

I think Tolkien was just a tad bit racist lol.  I mean if black and indian colored people were with sauron in his books thats kind of like saying black and indian people are with satan...

That has never been my understanding. I have always taken it to mean that their leaders have fallen under Sauron's influence, not that those peoples are themselves evil. For me, what stands out in Tolkien's writing is the emphasis on social class rather than race. The only evil race are the orcs, and when they speak Common their vocabulary is that of the English working class. The heroes by contrast are largely of 'better stock' with the notable exception of loyal Sam, the subservient commoner who clearly 'knows his place'. 

I have not seen the second Hobbit movie, but it makes perfect sense for me to have more ethnic-looking actors in a trading center like Lake Town; Easterling merchants or traders making their way along the Anduin from the south. I do suspect that there was some pressure to have more ethnic actors present in the film after that fuss over the Indian lady who wanted to play a hobbit. There was certainly no mention of skin colour at the casting calls, and my own brown skin did not prevent me being offered the chance to play an Elven extra.

As for MMOs, I don't recall the last MMO that did not allow me to play a human with dark skin. I don't think that there is a real problem in that regard. Where I think fantasy as a genre does fail is in its unwillingness to draw influences from more non-European sources. When I was creating worlds for pnp campaigns, I would try to mix and match elements from various cultures. Fantasy often seems to be curiously unimaginative. 

 

  Scot

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1/09/14 5:06:21 AM#166

Start with the basics, why are they doing this? Why take lore, a story or history and foster on it peoples who were never there? Because they feel there are justified in doing so regardless of accuracy to the source. You do a all male version of Swan Lake because you want to make a statement, not because you think it will add anything to the art of ballet.

Be it political correctness, social justice, call it what you will, you have a reason to distort the source material to what you think it should be. This is all about making a political statement and has nothing to do with whether it is possible that someone from another part of Middle earth could live in Lake Town. If we had a small community of Martians on this planet of ours I would not have been surprised if one of them had turned up in Lake Town.

That's what being 'representative' is all about, you put people into a story, history, or whatever regardless of the accuracy. I wonder though if we had a TV series on the ancient kingdom of Merina in Africa that they would feel the need to stick a token white guy in there? I think not, fortunately we would be spared this silliness there. 

More modern fantasy sources tend to put more non whites into their stories, which is as it should be. The case can certainly be made that they are under represented there. But taking sources from the past and editing them to suit your political preferences makes me think of the Ministry of Truth, because that's where a crusading ideological zeal leads you.

  Grimula

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1/09/14 5:15:01 AM#167

Erudites from Everquest 1 was a race of Very Intelligent Black People....they even Lived on a Separate Island  it was Awsome

 

Erudites were one of the coolest Races back in Everquest 1 when it was new

  jesad

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1/09/14 5:16:00 AM#168
Originally posted by Scot

Start with the basics, why are they doing this? Why take lore, a story or history and foster on it peoples who were never there? Because they feel there are justified in doing so regardless of accuracy to the source. You do a all male version of Swan Lake because you want to make a statement, not because you think it will add anything to the art of ballet.

Be is political correctness, social justice, call it what you will, you have a reason to distort the source material to what you think it should be. This is all about making a political statement and has nothing to do with whether It is possible that a someone from another part of Middle earth could live in Lake Town. If we had a small community of Martians on this planet of ours I would not have been surprised if one of them had turned up in Lake Town.

That's what being 'representative' is all about, you put people into a story, history, or whatever regardless of the accuracy. I wonder though if we had a TV series on the ancient kingdom of Merina in Africa that they would feel the need to stick a token white guy in there? I think not, fortunately we would be spared this silliness there. 

More modern fantasy sources tend to put more non whites into their stories, which is as it should be. The case can certainly be made that they are under represented there. But taking sources from the past and editing them to suit your political preferences makes me think of the Ministry of Truth, because that's where a crusading ideological zeal leads you.

Haha!! Ever heard of Tarzan?  Just saying. We are spared no silliness from a guy trying to make a buck.

  Scot

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1/09/14 5:40:17 AM#169
Originally posted by jesad

Haha!! Ever heard of Tarzan?  Just saying. We are spared no silliness from a guy trying to make a buck.

Well I can excuse the author because of the time he lived in. But yes its absurd to need to have a white guy in Africa as a hero.

 

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1/09/14 5:57:04 AM#170
Some posts in here by non-minorities that just make me shake my head. Hopeless.
  jesad

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1/09/14 6:45:00 AM#171

This is for that one guy that made that statement about Africans having nothing to add.

    Shaka Zulu

 

  Lionedas

Funny how similar these two are even in story.  No matter though because there is .....

    (Mayan Warrior) no.....

  (Roman Soldier) difference......

  (Inca Warrior) between......

(Native American) any

(Celtic Warrior) of us.

 

Everyone has something to offer, it's just a matter of whether you choose to acknowledge it or ignore it.

 

  SirPKsAlot

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1/09/14 7:02:42 AM#172

Not really an MMO (yet) but can't forget the Redguards in EoS series.

 

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  Kuinn

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1/09/14 8:20:42 AM#173
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Kuinn
Too many pages to read the replies, but @OP, I'd believe it's because the fantasy in question is written by white people, and as far as I know these dev teams are pretty much white too (untill recently?).

 

 

What personally annoys me is when people are bugged if black people is added to the lore later somehow, or if a fantasy movie for example does not follow exactly the holy sribes of the original sacred writings. These nerds act like someone made a history movie but took some liberties and tries to spread false propaganda among the viewers that is historically not correct. It's a fantasy movie, it's fine, as long as it follows the general direction of the story and fits into movie boundaries, it's fine.

 

Well, TESO should be released in few months, I guess it's shielded pretty well against this sillyness by the whole region of Red Guard? Red Guards, damn. Might roll one my self if I'm getting TESO.




Idris Elba as Heimdall comes to mind reading this. Heimdall is kind of a bad@ss, and Idris Elba plays a pretty good bad@ss. Heimdall being black is really weird, if you go with the idea that Asgardians are real. Given that they are an alien, fantasy race with super powers, it doesn't seem all that weird that one of them might have a different skin tone with slight different facial features from e.g., Thor. Of course, that's nothing compared to Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four being black in the upcoming FF movie. Apparently the Marvel Universe is going to collapse into some kind of black hole or something because his sister is being played by a white actress.

I can't decide if stuff like this is actual racism, since the arguments against things like this tend to get racist as hell, or if it's just the normal nerd behavior that can't deal with changes to continuity and retcons. Even though retcons and continuity changes have been happening since the beginning of entertainment. Just read a history of Egyptian gods or the gods of the Aztecs and Incas to see how they retcon entire histories of the universe as one city comes into power and their patron god gets carried along for the ride.

I guess my point is that people are pretty stupid. Are there black Vikings or were there ever black Vikings? No, probably not. Not very many, anyway. Does that mean there shouldn't be black, Viking inspired fantasy characters? No. That's stupid. There should be black, Viking inspired fantasy characters. Same argument for Asian, Viking inspired fantasy characters.

If people want NPCs that aren't just one dimensional, cardboard cutouts, including different real world racial characteristics is one way to do it. Instead of pulling from one culture, pull from several. Hell, make up a completely new culture and just mix people of different races in there at random. It's fantasy, where continuity and reality rarely, if ever consistently have any impact.

 

 

Well it is a bit weird to be honest when they change some key players from white to black, I'm not going to lose my sleep over it but it sure can be a bit weird. Black elves in Lotr would slide over to the comedy side of things to be honest :)

 

What is not weird however, is when some guy writes fantasy before the television was invented, did not include black man in it, and today someone makes a movie of the setting and there's black people. Lets take Tolkien, he never explained the whole world of Lotr, and there could be god knows what we dont know out in that world, not to mention it's just fantasy.

 

Look at Game of Thrones, there's that continent to the south that no one knows practically anything about. I guess there's nothing else than trees because it's not specified what that place contains? At least if we follow the Tolkien fan logic. So yeah, changing Aragorn the heir to the throne of Gondor into a black guy might be a weird thing, but adding black people to the world that we know only half of, not a big deal, not even close.

 

Almost forgot, Idris Elba is awesome, not Samuel L. Jackson awesome, but awesome. I'd like to see him in some yet to be revealed upcoming scifi TV series as no less than "The sarge", Tali would go all perfect! on this topic.

  Scot

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1/09/14 10:33:29 AM#174

"I am honestly willing to bet that there will be more black people interested in playing EQN than talking rats. We may be a minority but our playerbase is higher. So what is the deal?"

I have to say you made me smile there, very true. But EQN (I think) is based on new lore so no reason they could fit a black culture in there if they had wanted to. It comes down to this, many people play toons to get away from themselves, so the talking rats are going to win over more humans. I don't think of that as a justification, just the way it is.

Samuel L. Jackson was mentioned by the last poster and provides an illustration that this is not just about race but about political correctness. When he played Nick Fury it was not just an issue of placing a black guy in the Avengers all white line up. He does not smoke cigars anymore. Back in the day he once smoked a cigar inside a space suit! Jackson might as well have had "This has been a public health message brought to you by Marvel Studios" tattooed on his arm.

  TheLizardbones

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1/09/14 11:21:15 AM#175


Originally posted by Kuinn

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by Kuinn Too many pages to read the replies, but @OP, I'd believe it's because the fantasy in question is written by white people, and as far as I know these dev teams are pretty much white too (untill recently?).     What personally annoys me is when people are bugged if black people is added to the lore later somehow, or if a fantasy movie for example does not follow exactly the holy sribes of the original sacred writings. These nerds act like someone made a history movie but took some liberties and tries to spread false propaganda among the viewers that is historically not correct. It's a fantasy movie, it's fine, as long as it follows the general direction of the story and fits into movie boundaries, it's fine.   Well, TESO should be released in few months, I guess it's shielded pretty well against this sillyness by the whole region of Red Guard? Red Guards, damn. Might roll one my self if I'm getting TESO.
Idris Elba as Heimdall comes to mind reading this. Heimdall is kind of a bad@ss, and Idris Elba plays a pretty good bad@ss. Heimdall being black is really weird, if you go with the idea that Asgardians are real. Given that they are an alien, fantasy race with super powers, it doesn't seem all that weird that one of them might have a different skin tone with slight different facial features from e.g., Thor. Of course, that's nothing compared to Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four being black in the upcoming FF movie. Apparently the Marvel Universe is going to collapse into some kind of black hole or something because his sister is being played by a white actress. I can't decide if stuff like this is actual racism, since the arguments against things like this tend to get racist as hell, or if it's just the normal nerd behavior that can't deal with changes to continuity and retcons. Even though retcons and continuity changes have been happening since the beginning of entertainment. Just read a history of Egyptian gods or the gods of the Aztecs and Incas to see how they retcon entire histories of the universe as one city comes into power and their patron god gets carried along for the ride. I guess my point is that people are pretty stupid. Are there black Vikings or were there ever black Vikings? No, probably not. Not very many, anyway. Does that mean there shouldn't be black, Viking inspired fantasy characters? No. That's stupid. There should be black, Viking inspired fantasy characters. Same argument for Asian, Viking inspired fantasy characters. If people want NPCs that aren't just one dimensional, cardboard cutouts, including different real world racial characteristics is one way to do it. Instead of pulling from one culture, pull from several. Hell, make up a completely new culture and just mix people of different races in there at random. It's fantasy, where continuity and reality rarely, if ever consistently have any impact.  
 

Well it is a bit weird to be honest when they change some key players from white to black, I'm not going to lose my sleep over it but it sure can be a bit weird. Black elves in Lotr would slide over to the comedy side of things to be honest :)

 

What is not weird however, is when some guy writes fantasy before the television was invented, did not include black man in it, and today someone makes a movie of the setting and there's black people. Lets take Tolkien, he never explained the whole world of Lotr, and there could be god knows what we dont know out in that world, not to mention it's just fantasy.

 

Look at Game of Thrones, there's that continent to the south that no one knows practically anything about. I guess there's nothing else than trees because it's not specified what that place contains? At least if we follow the Tolkien fan logic. So yeah, changing Aragorn the heir to the throne of Gondor into a black guy might be a weird thing, but adding black people to the world that we know only half of, not a big deal, not even close.

 

Almost forgot, Idris Elba is awesome, not Samuel L. Jackson awesome, but awesome. I'd like to see him in some yet to be revealed upcoming scifi TV series as no less than "The sarge", Tali would go all perfect! on this topic.




I think there is a difference between people who get weird about changes to canon, and people who get weird about changes that specifically relate to race. If someone doesn't care that Dr. Doom was on the space station with the FF, but cares that Johnny Storm is going to be black* and his sister is white, then it's probably racism, not nerdism. If someone has an apoplectic fit about the entire FF movie, it's probably nerdism.

But I'm getting off track. We're supposed to be talking about video games. If someone writes a video game, and all of the humans are one race, it shouldn't take a genius to figure out that in the U.S. at least, 13% of the population is going to feel left out. That's bad enough, but the part that bothers me is that it doesn't even make sense. Video games are complete fantasy worlds, with no real history and no real reason to not include many different races of humans. There are many different races of humanoids, so what's the big issue with a couple different races of humans? If it's not a big deal to include cats that have evolved to the point of using tools and speech, it shouldn't be that big a deal to have more than one race of humans in a game. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at an entertainment genre that can barely address having women in games without turning them all into waif like sexbots, but I am disappointed.

* And strangely doesn't seem to care that Jessica Alba is Mexican/French-Danish and her brother is white.

**

I would like to add that I think the video gaming industry is much better at integrating their diversity stuff into their standard offerings much better than television or movies. I also think at some point that video games are going to be far more representative of the world we live in than television, movies or books, even if there are dragons and fireballs.

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  Dauzqul

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1/09/14 11:34:55 AM#176

People always ignore the hard truth.

If 50% of all fantasy-theme MMO purchasers were black, then 50% of the character creation would be geared more towards black characters.

High Fantasy isn't popular with the black community. This, as well as the fact that most people prefer to make characters of their own race (if they decide to play human), is the reason why character creation lacks proper black structure.

 

Personally, I'd like to see proper base models for every major race on earth. Vanguard did a pretty good job, IMO.

  iridescence

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1/09/14 11:46:42 AM#177
Originally posted by Dauzqul

People always ignore the hard truth.

If 50% of all fantasy-theme MMO purchasers were black, then 50% of the character creation would be geared more towards black characters.

High Fantasy isn't popular with the black community. This, as well as the fact that most people prefer to make characters of their own race (if they decide to play human), is the reason why character creation lacks proper black structure.

 

I can only speak for myself but I often make a black guy when I play human at all in a fantasy game specifically because I want something different from  my real life. To me it's extremely boring to play a fantasy game only to try to recreate my real-life self.

 

  Maquiame

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1/09/14 12:05:28 PM#178
Originally posted by Scot

"I am honestly willing to bet that there will be more black people interested in playing EQN than talking rats. We may be a minority but our playerbase is higher. So what is the deal?"

I have to say you made me smile there, very true. But EQN (I think) is based on new lore so no reason they could fit a black culture in there if they had wanted to. It comes down to this, many people play toons to get away from themselves, so the talking rats are going to win over more humans. I don't think of that as a justification, just the way it is.

Samuel L. Jackson was mentioned by the last poster and provides an illustration that this is not just about race but about political correctness. When he played Nick Fury it was not just an issue of placing a black guy in the Avengers all white line up. He does not smoke cigars anymore. Back in the day he once smoked a cigar inside a space suit! Jackson might as well have had "This has been a public health message brought to you by Marvel Studios" tattooed on his arm.

Let me reiterate.

 

I am not asking for something that does not exist.

 

Wow does not have a "black race" or any other human races besides white so I don't ask for them. You told me right off the bat that you didn't give a damn about other human cultures. Enough to the point that you put stereotypes into monstrous races. Hence why I don't play WoW.

Erudites are one of the founding races of Everquest. A beloved founding race, that was turned into aliens and not even being put in at all despite peoples requests for them. They were at one time a cornerstone of the lore. People mainly play humans in mmos.

But instead of getting a race that is part of your lore, fits into the "most players play humans" hard truth of mmo character creation we get polls asking us if we want talking rats instead.

I don't get it.

Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!

  Maquiame

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1/09/14 12:09:13 PM#179
Originally posted by Dauzqul

People always ignore the hard truth.

If 50% of all fantasy-theme MMO purchasers were black, then 50% of the character creation would be geared more towards black characters.

High Fantasy isn't popular with the black community. This, as well as the fact that most people prefer to make characters of their own race (if they decide to play human), is the reason why character creation lacks proper black structure.

 

Personally, I'd like to see proper base models for every major race on earth. Vanguard did a pretty good job, IMO.

There are more black people playing mmos than talking rats. Erudites from EQ! should be in EQN period. Not alien monsters, not forgotten but a race that was in the first game and beloved.

Why do talkiing rats get put in first?

Where is the hard truth and logic in that?

 

Oh and btw the TES series is VERY popular with black players. Why? The Redguard, who are based on a very famous medieval culture that was a power in its day and did not run around with spears and fathers on their heads. When one is willing to do the research and put in the effort it translates into dollars and loyal followings. Hell there are songs about the Redguard on youtube.

The group I'm talking about is:

Songhai/Mali - which has been featured in a Civilization game as one of the civs you could pick.

See thing is fantasy is very popular if one is willing to do the reasarch. We all do not play GTA. Not to mention amongst black, female gamers fantasy is much more popular than sports or urban tripe like GTA. So please do not assume.

Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!

  Riposte.This

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1/09/14 12:09:54 PM#180

This is honestly just people with too good of a life, and too much time to complain about stupid things like this.

The OP brings up some good points about how it's being talked about, and my post is nothing against him, it's against the people who make the posts, in the end the real question is, is it really that big of a fucking deal?

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