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  SBFord

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OP  1/06/14 4:42:41 PM#1

According to a new post by Sony Online entertainment's John Smedley, the gaming giant is considering a single subscription option for all players. Simply said, subscribe to one SOE game, subscribe to them all. Smedley made the remarks in response to recent changes to the premium subscription model.

Hello everyone,

I hope you all had a Happy New Year! we're here back working hard to make cool stuff.

I wanted to give a little more insight into our thinking regarding the changes to the upcoming subscription plan.

I have been personally reading every post I can find about it and I understand there is a lot of FUD out there around it. So let me clear some things up and let you in on some of our thinking process.

Goals

The goals of our plan are very simple. Let players buy anything they want up to 2000 SC. It's fair to say that there aren't a lot of high priced items in the Planetside 2 shop, but that's kind of a good thing too. It's just when you look at it from the perspective of someone who's plan is changing they are right to ask "why is this good for me?".

We are discussing the feedback we've been getting and we are making some decisions regarding this today. Particularly around Player Studio items (yeah that was a bad idea) and we're talking about bundles as well. I promise that we are listening.

Why did we make this change? There were a few reasons really. First and foremost we wanted to let players get some of the larger items on the marketplace. People complain the other way on this all the time - they complain that the 500SC isn't enough for them to buy enough stuff. So we thought this would be a positive change.

Second - it helps us deal with some internal issues regarding accrual of balances of SC for people who aren't playing or spending. There are a lot of people who play and have SC in their wallets and don't spend it ever.. this accrues over time and it's a problem. Before the jaded among you cry out that this is really the most important reason - please don't judge just yet. It's actually not but I don't want to hide the fact that it's a part of it.

Third - we have a problem with a disparity between our console titles (which can't use Station Cash) and our PC Games. We can't do the same kind of promotions as easily on the PS3 and PS4. We're a lot more limited because we can't use Station Cash on there. So when we have a 3x sale on SC we have to do something different for our console titles. It's a pain in the neck to deal with this.

Fourth - And this is very important -

We are considering (and are likely going to move forward with) a plan that means if you subscribe to one of our games you are a subscriber to all our games (this applies to PC titles only btw).. all for the current $14.99 a month. That's a benefit most companies simply can't offer because they don't have our portfolio of games. The goal would be to let you pick an item in each game you play. Some of you might say "well who cares..I only play Planetside 2. How is that a benefit to me?" My answer is simple - we've got a great lineup of games, some of which aren't announced yet that cater to a lot of players. We have EQN and EQNL coming along with other..... games... that PS2 players might just like :)

I will do my best to keep up with this thread and answer questions as much as I can (a bit AMA style).

Smed

Head to this Reddit thread to read the entire AMA with Smed.

Thanks, Darkholme, for the tip!

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  Rzep

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1/06/14 4:46:06 PM#2
If this happens I immediatly sub. Having the ability to play all the SOE stuff without restrictions would be awesome.
  Ozmodan

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1/06/14 4:49:15 PM#3
One sub for all games, sounds like a real deal.  Hope they go through with this.  I have not subbed to a SOE game for a while, but this might give me a reason to.
  DamonVile

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1/06/14 4:49:41 PM#4

Considering free to play seems to be the way they are going it's probably a smart call to offer what they are. It gives their games a lot of value and lets them bring in $15 from someone that may otherwise spend nothing.

Having sub access to all their games would make playing multiple soe games pretty appealing. Where normally when you tire of one you may as well go to any other free game on the market.

  Dauzqul

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1/06/14 4:52:32 PM#5
A sub for all their games? Aren't they all FTP anyways?
  SBFord

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OP  1/06/14 4:53:27 PM#6
If they do this, Smed can count me in for sure. Great deal.

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  NobleNerd

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1/06/14 4:53:55 PM#7
Concept sounds great, but I have not found even 1 SOE game worth playing longer than a month. Most are riddled with issues of performance, balance or out-dated-graphics and gameplay. SOOOO this would not interest me much with this developer.
  DamonVile

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1/06/14 4:56:23 PM#8
Originally posted by Dauzqul
A sub for all their games? Aren't they all FTP anyways?

Are you asking because you're trying to troll bait a why do free games charge for things or do you legit not know about the SOE payment models and what they offer in their f2p games ?

  udon

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1/06/14 4:56:44 PM#9

I think the things excluded from the list of items you can buy is telling as to a significant reason for this.  Once Landmark launches  people will be selling stuff for station cash and SOE will be paying them a percent of the sale.  Excluding these means that SOE forces the buyers to spend money on the items rather than banking station cash received from a subscription.  Assuming player made content is popular it could end up being significant for them.

  cukimunga

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1/06/14 4:57:06 PM#10
One subscription to rule them all.. Haha    Interesting concept im guessing they won't take off the limitations to all the FTP games so basically they just want to try and get people to sub for EQN.    But if they drop the restrictions for the FTP games then count me in.
  Wellspring

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1/06/14 5:01:19 PM#11
Didn't they already do something like this with Station Pass or whatever?
  stragen001

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1/06/14 5:01:21 PM#12
They wouldn't be offering one sub for all games if they actually had any good games that people would pay a sub for on their own.

Also, you can bet your ass that when EQN is released it either won't be included.

This is just a way for them to try and keep cashflow up while they are developing EQN

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  steelheartx

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1/06/14 5:02:12 PM#13
Wonder what happens to those who have save 1000's of Station Cash prior to this?

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  azarhal

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1/06/14 5:04:55 PM#14
Originally posted by Rzep
If this happens I immediatly sub. Having the ability to play all the SOE stuff without restrictions would be awesome.

You know, it's just a 5$ cheaper "All Access" subscription, by this I mean that you can already play all SOE games (well Free Realms, EQ1, EQ2, PS1, PS2, DCUO, Vanguard, Clone War Adventure) for 20$/Month (or 15$/month for 12 months) without restrictions. You also received the 500SC/month (worth 5$) with All Access, the Feb changes remove that (but you get the same deals in exchange, for example if you play EQ2, EQ2 and PS2 you get to pick one item worth 2000SC in each games each months).

I'm not sure if the new system would include the games they aren't their own (Dragon's Prophet and Wizardry Online).

 

  Karahandras

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1/06/14 5:09:47 PM#15
Originally posted by Wellspring
Didn't they already do something like this with Station Pass or whatever?

I believe so(but at $19.95 i think).

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

1/06/14 5:14:32 PM#16

Well there are still several problems lying right there that he is avoiding and knows full well what they are.

First of all "a mistake"pfft he can't honestly tell me he thought for any  second that cash shops are a fair idea.

The problem is that subscribing to a SOE game means nothing,there are always going to be stuff YOU WANT" and will have to pay extra to get,so it is STILL a cash shop game.

ALL of their "gaming news" is NOT news it is ALWAYS advertising.They send me emails it is to sell me something or tell me about some sale on SC.

The going standard for a cash shop game is FREE,then start grinding money from players pockets.SOE is trying to make it sound like a good thing by giving them a 15 buck sub fee to immediately start using their cash shops lol.

As for those with tons of SC ,sitting on it,i was one of those players,i don't play SOE anymore but i still have a ton of SC saved up.They make it sound like a problem,well you can't have your cake and eat it too,you wanted to find a way to mislead spending and now you are worried players might have enough saved up to play for free for a long time.

What Smedley was REALLY hoping is that you spend 15 bucks sub fee AND spend that  500SC and or more.SO now he is worried and might incur a limit on spending lol.Tha tgtells me he plans on HUGE advantages incoming for ther cash shop and that is why he doesn't want all those sitting on tons of SC to be ready to take advantage of it.

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  Dreamo84

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1/06/14 5:14:37 PM#17
Isn't it only $20 now to sub to all their games? $5 price decrease isn't that big of news. That is a pretty sweet deal though.

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

1/06/14 5:27:29 PM#18

I am really lousy with wording my ideas,i don't pretend to be an English major.

After i thought about it,it is simpler to just say Smedley is planning on some real advantages for cash shop use.This is why it is easy for him to say give us 15 bucks because it opens the door to players possibly using the cash shop for SEVERAL games instead of one.After all if you were only going to spend on one game the 15 sub fee,now he has you at least thinking of spending MORE.Not only in more games but there will also be a huge push on cash shop even in that one game you planned on playing.

So you give him 15 a month PLUS spend more on SC and all with the intention of only playing one game.Even if you play more,most likely you would NOT have subbed to those anyhow,so they are banking on getting more cash shop from you for those other games.

It all adds up to "possibly" or "VERY possibly" getting more money from you than you originally planned on spending.

This is like 100 year old marketing,like when you go to the store and they tell you how much you are saving.Buy 5 bag of chips for 10 bucks,they were regular $3 bucks each so would cost you 15 bucks.The reality is you are not saving a single penny because your intention was to buy ONE bag at 3 bucks,not spend 10 bucks on chips.

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  Kyleran

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1/06/14 5:29:32 PM#19
5 bucks off and everyone's going crazy for it? I just don't see it.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  OG_Zorvan

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1/06/14 5:33:24 PM#20
Originally posted by SBFord

 


Particularly around Player Studio items (yeah that was a bad idea) and we're talking about bundles as well. I promise that we are listening.

I take that to mean Player Studio is going bye-bye. Good.

Bad enough nickel and diming players with "professional" made items, trying to nickel and dime players with amateur crap is worse.

EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

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