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News & Features Discussion  » [Column] Neverwinter: Is Neverwinter Really an MMO?

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1/04/14 11:43:41 AM#61
Originally posted by DMKano

Its a MMO for sure - the issue is that players never look at it from *server/hosting perspective* once you consider that it is trivial to discern what is a MMO and what isn't.

Does it have a large number of servers in a datacenter?

Does the game network and server infrastructure support millions of concurrent client connections?

Are there centralized auth and account services?

Does it have large centralized database systems for player data including transactional history for each player?

Is there a CS team capable of handling billing and player transaction issues (deleted items, lost passwords, etc...)

If the game in question has yes for the above - its most likely an MMO.


Only considering the client - you miss the most important piece of the MMO - the data center infrastructure needed to support millions of concurrent client connections.


Example of a game that is NOT an MMO:

Cubeworld is not an MMO - as you fire the server up yourself (or connect to other user servers) - no centralized auth service, no centralized databases with transactional history (you lose an inventory item it's gone) no CS to help.

And yet we do not call Spore, Dark Souls, or Dragon's Dogma an MMO even though all three use such backend architecture to augment their player experience.

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1/04/14 3:17:58 PM#62
Originally posted by Ozmodan

No persistent world, so no it is not a MMO.  Just like Diablo III is not a MMO.  Does not mean that MMORPG should not cover them.

That would make LotRO and most MMOs not really an mmo. You know that in LotRO zones and server slices don't actually exist and until a player enters them right? That's why when a zone has not been populated fora long time or the servers are performing slowly the zone is created and loads first and the mobs appear seconds or minutes later.

How do you people make things up and pass it off as true? I think you've employed Lokto's Axiom of Truth [Loktofeit has said posters here that posters make things up and then say them enough to pass it off as truth].

The world is persistent.

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1/04/14 11:20:35 PM#63

If you held every other game to the same scrutiny as Neverwinter for only having shared leveling zones, dungeon instances and city hubs, then that pretty much disqualifies most of the MMOs on the list you have.


Your entire site would be about a mere handful of games, most pre-dating 2005.  


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1/05/14 1:32:53 AM#64

This is one of those half full or half empty glass questions.

Any online game that uses multiple instances within a zone is not an MMO.

Neverwinter was originally designed as a OMG (Online Multiplayer Game) in an interview with whoever is the head dev or the big wig at Craptic.  They slapped on "MMO" simply for marketing purposes when they really didn't do anything to add MMO mechanics besides some PvP.


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1/05/14 2:40:41 AM#65

I've been looking at Neverwinter for a while, wondering if it would be worth my time to play. Unfortunately, this model of "lobby/arena" is the kind of game that I rarely enjoy. Still, I may give it a shot sometime.


I'd also like to add that in all the years I've been on this site (before the release of Horizons [cringe]), I have never read an article I enjoyed more. Keep up the good work, Mr. Coke. I look forward to more of your work.

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1/05/14 3:22:35 AM#66
Is not a MMO, there are not an Open World, just zones wth tot ppl, like a multyplayer game
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1/05/14 3:58:37 AM#67
Originally posted by furbans

Any online game that uses multiple instances within a zone is not an MMO.


Again this pretty much means nearly every game on this site that is listed as a MMO, is not actually a MMO.


That leaves you with what... Vanguard, DFUW, Wushu and a bunch of games released before 2005.


Neverwinter has open world areas, including adventure areas, which are shared with people not in your party / group. That makes it a MMO.  If you prefer non-instanced games or games with no zones, that's fine - but that isn't a criteria for being a MMO.  Otherwise this site may as well shut down because most of the games on here and coming out in the future are not MMOs.


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1/05/14 4:12:27 AM#68
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by furbans

Any online game that uses multiple instances within a zone is not an MMO.

Again this pretty much means nearly every game on this site that is listed as a MMO, is not actually a MMO.

That leaves you with what... Vanguard, DFUW, Wushu and a bunch of games released before 2005.

Neverwinter has open world areas, including adventure areas, which are shared with people not in your party / group. That makes it a MMO.  If you prefer non-instanced games or games with no zones, that's fine - but that isn't a criteria for being a MMO.  Otherwise this site may as well shut down because most of the games on here and coming out in the future are not MMOs.

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1/05/14 12:22:39 PM#69
Sad thing isnt DnD at all. Where is the dice rolls? Saving throws?

It is a WoW reskin game. Pathetic excuse for DnD. Also dungeons are just stupid, you dont need a proper group and can still finish it (bar higher ends).

DDO did better with their dungeon.

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1/05/14 2:44:58 PM#70
It is very simple!  If the game has thousands of people playing together at the same time then it is a MMO!  Period!!!!  MMORPG is something different, and Neverwinter is just a bad version of previous RPG games and that is all.  The problem we have today is that nobody is sticking to the traditional RPG masterpieces that have preceeded the terrible games of today!

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1/05/14 3:34:06 PM#71
For me the definition of mmo will always be more than 1000 players existing in a single instance of a game world.

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1/06/14 6:34:08 AM#72
Originally posted by UnitAkira
Originally posted by IDontThinkSoNo

People spamming gold farming in chat.

Forced group content.

Broken English players.

Nerd raging guilds that require VoIP.

Yep, MMO.

Broken English players_? Nice, how about you try to play a game where it's not your mother tongue being spoken_,  at least they make an effort to speak .. sounds like you are the leader of one of these nerd raging guilds and one of those who go after the typos people make in chat too_.. but that a side yeah it has the annoying mmo aspects like gold spammers, forced group content, limited character development, and an open world replaced by open dungeon .


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1/06/14 5:41:41 PM#73

No Real World ; No Real Quality , limited Gameplay , no exploration. Charachter Development is so linear it's untrue.  It's a poorly designed charade , shame one of my Favourite IPs is being used for all the wrong reasons.

NWN has more about it than this .... Talk about 50 steps back, so so sad.

SWTOR and COS games that could deliver !!


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1/06/14 9:38:22 PM#74
Even if a game is 100% instances with no requirement to see another player the entire time you play the game it can still be an mmo as long as there is the option to play with others online even if the party size is only made of two players. Honestly I'm usually more interested in pve instances and the occasional large 20+ player raids, but only if I feel like it.

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1/09/14 10:39:53 AM#75
Originally posted by freegames
Even if a game is 100% instances with no requirement to see another player the entire time you play the game it can still be an mmo as long as there is the option to play with others online even if the party size is only made of two players. Honestly I'm usually more interested in pve instances and the occasional large 20+ player raids, but only if I feel like it.

So would you consider Call of Duty or Battlefield an MMO?


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8/11/14 9:32:52 PM#76

Oh please. GW2 does not have all of it's missions start from a central city. Not even close. You are sadly mistaken and unaware.

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