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  NobleNerd

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OP  1/04/14 9:08:25 AM#1

Below is a link to a Forbes article predicting ESO's demise. Before polling and posting your thoughts read the article through. This was in another thread I read here, so I wanted to give people a simple yes or no poll to see where the population of gamers are on this matter. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/

Will ESO be a failure?

Yes
No
Undecided
(login to vote)

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  LittleBoot

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1/04/14 9:10:32 AM#2
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1/04/14 9:12:06 AM#3
Define failure. Define to whom?
  KyutaSyuko

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1/04/14 9:19:57 AM#4
I have to disagree mainly because, if I remember correctly, that article was mainly about console gamers like they're the only ones that exist anymore and they'll determine the fate of the game.  I'd risk my current savings on betting most TES players are actually PC gamers.  The guy's also basing his decision on the fact it'll be P2P rather than F2P or B2P which most MMO players on this forum seem to prefer the P2P model.
  Deadlyne

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1/04/14 9:23:11 AM#5

This looks like a situation where a moderator needs to come by and consolidate posts.  There are so many versions of this exact subject already, why not just post on an already existing one?

 

Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.

  aleos

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1/04/14 9:23:36 AM#6

You know, I don't much particularly care anymore about what it means for these games to fail. All i know is I'm tired of playing the same damn game over and over and over again since i was a teenager.

 

I am tired of great ideas being converted into generic shit to spoon feed the masses.

 

EDIT:  Things NOT to say when you want people to believe what you're talking about

 

" even though I’m not normally a big PC MMO guy"

 

 

  NobleNerd

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OP  1/04/14 9:24:35 AM#7
Originally posted by Fappuccino
Define failure. Define to whom?

Did you read the article? The author covers your questions.

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  NobleNerd

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OP  1/04/14 9:25:33 AM#8
Originally posted by Deadlyne

This looks like a situation where a moderator needs to come by and consolidate posts.  There are so many versions of this exact subject already, why not just post on an already existing one?

 

I gave you my reason. I wanted to add a poll to see where people stand.

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  User Deleted
1/04/14 9:30:33 AM#9
Originally posted by NobleNerd
Originally posted by Fappuccino
Define failure. Define to whom?

Did you read the article? The author covers your questions.

From the previous thread it came across as if many people didn't and kept using the terms subjectively. So just to get it clear.

Failure to us players but success to the dev and publisher.

  greenreen

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1/04/14 9:31:46 AM#10

I think the person writing that article was uninformed, didn't do enough research, and made comparisons of two different games unaware that these MMOs are not all the same. The minutia really matters inside of them to players. It's the way we differentiate them and I've never seen anyone choose a game because of its budget. He didn't pay any attention to the differences in the IPs being discussed and he doesn't know about games inside to compare them because he doesn't play MMOs. He doesn't have any idea how much research people put into deciding which ones to play. I sat in one beta wait for over a year - during that time I was learning things about the game. That was one game. He didn't give any effort worthy of offering anything nearing expertise level opinions.

In other words, it was an opinion piece and the guy was talking out of his ass. His complaint was more about a sub model than the game itself. That was his biggest mistake. He thinks that free is actually free and players know otherwise. To play a free game either you are supported by someone else who will eventually make the decisions for future game development or you pay more than you should with impulse buying or forced buying to progress and with either setting you are always reminded that money can/should be spent. The developers of this game are spot on to call micro-transactions intrusive to gameplay because they do interrupt gameplay to remind you there is a shop around. It's completely immersion breaking.

I've got no problem with selling products based on your game for extra funding, sell me cards or a board game or stickers or plushies at a markup but something inside the game interrupting me is out of bounds. I'm gaming then, my wallet doesn't exist in the game.

Geez, the views on that article have went nuts, now its 112 610 views where it was only 20k, yeah maybe we should stop looking at it as bcbully remarked although people are giving him a tongue lashing in the comments so they will see that too. Everyone loves juicy controversial comments.

  cura

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1/04/14 9:32:19 AM#11
If it wont have a problem with many players in the same place as devs claim, it probably wont be a failure but i doubt they will be able to keep P2P model. There is too big competition in mmo genre.
  immodium

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1/04/14 9:35:12 AM#12

Name one recent MMO that DIDN'T fail? I can bet right now that any you list will have failed to someone.

 

IMO, it will fail like GW2 failed.

I'll be playing it though. :)

  bcbully

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1/04/14 9:43:00 AM#13
There are 20 threads like this. This is starting to remind me of the BS that took place on this site with TSW. "If you say it enough it becomes true" slander campaigns.
  Doushi

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1/04/14 9:57:15 AM#14
He says on his article that he is not an PC MMO gamer,  and that he is an console player. all I see is a rant about the monthly sub.

mmorpg.com, the 4chan of mmo forums.

  Lobotomist

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1/04/14 10:00:03 AM#15
Originally posted by Fappuccino
Define failure. Define to whom?

Failure , very simply put , for everyone to understand :

Commercial product failing to break even

 

  NobleNerd

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OP  1/04/14 10:01:28 AM#16
Originally posted by bcbully
There are 20 threads like this. This is starting to remind me of the BS that took place on this site with TSW. "If you say it enough it becomes true" slander campaigns.

Let me state it clearly... I am not trying to slander ESO. I am a fan of all that is Elderscrolls. My intent with this post is to have a simple poll with constructive comments based off someone elses "slander". I personally do not think ESO will fail. I have played all the betas and enjoyed seeing the progress of the game.

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  VincerKaden

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1/04/14 10:02:51 AM#17

That article reads as if it was written by someone here in MMORPG's forums. Take that however you want.

 

It sounds like the point he's making is that SWTOR was a "failure". Gamers seem to be redefining the term "failure" to now contain many levels of granularity.

 

Before we can determine if anything is a failure, we must understand what the intended goal was. If we do not, than we are only judging something from our own perspective; our own idea of what we think the goal was. Not a very objective approach to say the least.

 

So we're just left with the "guessing game" when it comes time to pass judgment on a game that isn't even live yet. I guess that's what we do around here.

 

So my guess? I might as well just use history as a lesson (history through my own eyes, naturally. No use trying to even make up stats or numbers to support any claims, right?). So... TESO will launch. Some will love it as the second coming, others will hate it and/or claim that "if only the devs had listened to me in beta, there would be *insert problem here*". Game rolls on, adjusts it's payment structures as needed and  coasts along for years to come.

 

Pretty much like every other MMO that is based on an existing IP.

 

But meanwhile, here we'll be... talking about how the next big MMO on the horizon will fail.

  Cacaphony

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1/04/14 10:05:33 AM#18

Meh, I dunno man. The failure of most every MMO is predicted on this site, or of many games on other sites.

I think its not really going to be a mega hit, but its not gonna be the titanic either. Its just going to be really popular during launch. Then it's popularity will taper off as the newness of it goes away.

But I feel like its going to retain a decent player base for a good while.

  AwDiddums

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1/04/14 10:09:31 AM#19
Originally posted by aleos

 

EDIT:  Things NOT to say when you want people to believe what you're talking about

 

" even though I’m not normally a big PC MMO guy"

 

 

 Hence why it's a totally biased view and worth diddly squat.

Apparently there are a lot of "Failed" MMO's currently in the market place right now, you all know the ones because they continually get dragged out of the cupboard to be paraded around as the complete and utter failures they are, by someone who has just been hacked off by whatever game they happen to have lurched to after losing interest in there favourite game.

Yet I still see those abject failures hosting active servers, with regular patches and shock horror even expansions, how dare they add more content to a failed game, don't they realise someone said on a forum that their game has failed?

With that in mind I'll give the author of the article the 2 fingered salute and tell him this, you wouldn't know a good MMO if it bit you on the arse.

 

  User Deleted
1/04/14 10:12:30 AM#20
Originally posted by Lobotomist
Originally posted by Fappuccino
Define failure. Define to whom?

Failure , very simply put , for everyone to understand :

Commercial product failing to break even

 

Going by the objective definition the game will be a success.

Paul Tassi contended that because the game is launching as P2P that it is doomed because "the monthly subscription model is dead."

So it will fail to hold on the subscription numbers, going the same route as SWTOR and many before it.

Even if the game fails to hold a P2P status, opting to go F2P it might do a SWTOR and survive thanks to it, becoming profitable. 

Failure? Warhammer was a failure. That's my view of things. It shut down...how much more objective can one get whether a product failed or succeeded?

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