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  Amjoco

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1/03/14 8:21:47 AM#21
Originally posted by Hatefull

 


Originally posted by Pigglesworth
Yet another doom and gloom troll post. Boring.

 


+1. Oh yeah, and this will kill WoW...

This is sarcasm right? 

 

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  kitarad

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1/03/14 8:22:03 AM#22

Isn't SWToR making money why would it be a failure ?

  lizardbones

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1/03/14 8:24:05 AM#23


Originally posted by Betaguy

Originally posted by DocBrody It will be a lot better than SWTOR for sure, that can be seen easily from gameplay footage already, so it won´t fail as hard as SWTOR.   No one can beat the level of fail that SWTOR was, not even TESO. But it will switch to buy to play and paid DLCs soon after launch, probably similiar to TSW which is running great now and has lots of players.
Is it really a fail when they made all their money back and then some?


Replace "Fail" with "I don't like it" and it will all make sense.

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If you think about it, ESO is taking the biggest risk, and dumping the most amount of money into that risk in the riskiest sector of a risky industry. It doesn't take a lot of precognitive abilities to think that ESO has a good chance of looking like a flop.

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  User Deleted
1/03/14 8:24:55 AM#24
Originally posted by kitarad

Isn't SWToR making money why would it be a failure ?

SWToR was not created to simply float along.

  kitarad

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1/03/14 8:29:32 AM#25

Well may be it may not have performed up to the expectations of EA but it can hardly be called a failure if it is making money.

  coretex666

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1/03/14 8:31:37 AM#26
Originally posted by kitarad

Isn't SWToR making money why would it be a failure ?

Because the fact that something is making money does not mean it is a success. You need to consider the Company's budget and compare the financial results with it to obtain an idea whether the producer considers the game to be success or failure.

Considering that you mentioned that the product is making money, I assume that we are talking about the supply side not the demand one.

Does this make any sense to you?

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  Nadia

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1/03/14 8:32:24 AM#27
Originally posted by Toxia

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/

Thoughts?

i really dont get this...

 

first massively has a voting category for mmo most likely to fail

and now forbes is slinging mud ?

 

wait for a game to launch... sheesh

  Amjoco

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1/03/14 8:35:33 AM#28
Originally posted by kitarad

Isn't SWToR making money why would it be a failure ?

Ya, I saw another post stating that it was a total failure, yet every time I get on to play there are many people online. I think the reason it is a "failure", is because it didn't live up to it's hype. Otherwise to me, anything that is making money and is fun is not to bad at all. 

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  kitarad

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1/03/14 8:37:05 AM#29

Did EA come out and say SWTOR is a failure ? You said game producers consider it a failure. Would you please link where EA has said that about SWTOR.

  Arthasm

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1/03/14 8:37:44 AM#30
Not only ESO, but Wildstar and any other MMO coming in 2014 will fail so badly, the disaster bigger than GW2.
  Nadia

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1/03/14 8:38:26 AM#31
Originally posted by Muppetier

This disclaimer posted with the article

The author is a Forbes contributor. The opinions expressed are those of the writer.

would seem to suggest OP is mistaken.

the article is on Forbes site - not some random blog

that's a strong enough association for me

 

should we discount all of the writer articles as "not Forbes" articles?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/

  Betaguy

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1/03/14 8:40:02 AM#32
Originally posted by kitarad

Did EA come out and say SWTOR is a failure ? You said game producers consider it a failure. Would you please link where EA has said that about SWTOR.

 Kit, I wouldn't dwell on it to much or spend too much time thinking about it.  It is not a failure by any means, it is not what most people wanted, however there is many who do enjoy it and it is a success by any definition regardless what the doom n gloomer's say here.

  DMKano

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1/03/14 8:40:25 AM#33
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Toxia

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/

Thoughts?

i really dont get this...

 

first massively has a voting category for mmo most likely to fail

and now forbes is slinging mud ?

 

wait for a game to launch... sheesh

It makes sense to me - its a pretty safe prediction if you think about it.

Subs are a poor model for consoles, triple platform support for a MMO is bitch to manage due to certification process for each major patch, then there a gameplay issues that can't be discussed yet.

Again I am hoping its not the case as I have RL friends working there and nobody wants to go through layoffs.

 

  Nemesis7884

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1/03/14 8:44:04 AM#34
im really wondering how guild wars 2 can push up that many content updates...are they only making money from that cash shop now which hardly sells anyhthing? kinda crazy...
  Pratt2112

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1/03/14 8:45:02 AM#35
Originally posted by TheHavok

My favorite part:

'And it’s important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models – but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being “monetized” in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word “monetized” exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don’t want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for – with our system, they get it all.”

Yeah, if nothing else, the people at Bethesda/Zenimax understand one of the core issues with F2P/Cash Shop setups. The other part is that the entire game is designed and balanced around making Cash Shop items highly desirable, if not outright compulsory.

Unfortunately, many people never bother to look past the word "Free!" and dive right in with wild abandon, never considering how their game experience is affected - even if they don't realize it. I'd assumed the MMO community at large would be able to see past the marketing, clever PR, the blatant "in-your-face" tactics employed in the game design, and the "coincidental" way the items being sold on the cash shop just happen to address limitations/restrictions/speed-bumps/obstacles deliberately designed into the game specifically to sell them.

It's like a narrow residential street being laid down wit ha bunch of pot-holes deliberately left in, and then the city offers residents the option of having those in front of their house filled in.... for a fee. It's purely optional. You could certainly try to maneuver around them, or drive over them really slowly... and warn your kids to keep their eyes open when playing. But it would be so much nicer to just have them filled in... and it's only $2 per hole.... You could buy the stuff and do it yourself, but that would be costly and time-consuming. And besides, several of your neighbors are doing it. So, it can't be that bad of a deal. 

The whole thing is a sham. It puts developers in the position of creating and adjusting demand, while also controlling the supply. 

Yes, I find it a much better deal to spend a flat $15 a month - about 35 cents an hour with as much as I typically play each month (though it would be just as worthwhile to me at even $1 or $1.50 an hour) - and know that the game I'm playing is designed to keep me entertained and playing as long as I enjoy it, not paying as long as I can stand it. It's well worth the price of admission just for me to know I'm not dealing with a game design built around trying to get me to spend as much as possible, as often as possible.

As for the article... For someone who, from what they say, hasn't experienced the game first-hand... they sure have a lot to say about it. For one, the cost of the game doesn't mean it will be good or bad. The design of it will. For another, there were many reasons TOR failed to do well and - especially having not played it themself (apparently) - it's absurd for them to assume TESO will suffer the same issues. In all, the whole article is wrapped in fallacy, conjecture and baseless arguments.

 

 

  Zorgo

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1/03/14 8:45:12 AM#36
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Muppetier

This disclaimer posted with the article

The author is a Forbes contributor. The opinions expressed are those of the writer.

would seem to suggest OP is mistaken.

the article is on Forbes site - not some random blog

that's a strong enough association for me

 

should we discount all of the writer articles as "not Forbes" articles?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/

While, more legit than a random blog certainly;

a contributing writer and a staff writer are two different things.

With a staff writer I believe it would be accurate to say 'Forbes says X" - but with a contributing writer....I'm not sure I'd put it that way.

This in no way should detract from the quality of the article. If it weren't quality - Forbes likely wouldn't post it.

  Nadia

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1/03/14 8:46:41 AM#37
Originally posted by Zorgo

a contributing writer and a staff writer are two different things.

With a staff writer I believe it would be accurate to say 'Forbes says X" - but with a contributing writer....I'm not sure I'd put it that way.

fair enough - i stand corrected

  DMKano

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1/03/14 8:47:05 AM#38
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by kitarad

Did EA come out and say SWTOR is a failure ? You said game producers consider it a failure. Would you please link where EA has said that about SWTOR.

 Kit, I wouldn't dwell on it to much or spend too much time thinking about it.  It is not a failure by any means, it is not what most people wanted, however there is many who do enjoy it and it is a success by any definition regardless what the doom n gloomer's say here.

It was a massive financial failure - the game cost exceeded $300 million, they anticipated over 10mil subs - this didn't happen.

The game underperformed badly, it led to a complete dissolution of Bioware Austin into EA.

Successful games retain their studios, SWTOR is the biggest financial MMORPG failure yet.

  Torvaldr

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1/03/14 8:51:37 AM#39
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Toxia

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/

Thoughts?

i really dont get this...

first massively has a voting category for mmo most likely to fail

and now forbes is slinging mud ?

wait for a game to launch... sheesh

It makes sense to me - its a pretty safe prediction if you think about it.

Subs are a poor model for consoles, triple platform support for a MMO is bitch to manage due to certification process for each major patch, then there a gameplay issues that can't be discussed yet.

Again I am hoping its not the case as I have RL friends working there and nobody wants to go through layoffs.

In addition to your points, the game has high expectations set from the DAoC, TES single player fanchise, and standard mmo player groups. That is a tall order and it's easy not to please any of them.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Amjoco

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1/03/14 8:59:38 AM#40
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Toxia

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/

Thoughts?

i really dont get this...

 

first massively has a voting category for mmo most likely to fail

and now forbes is slinging mud ?

 

wait for a game to launch... sheesh

Ya, it does seem to be an odd new category that sites have been promoting. I'm not sure what the gain is from determining this ahead of time, and/or what they will achieve from it. I can see Forbes possibly taking an interest in it, but Massively? It is like if Ford posted it's 2014 Focus will fail. Why would a game website want to predict a failure? It seems like the publicity would hurt the title and relations with the developer and the publisher.

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