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  Scot

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12/31/13 3:21:37 AM#61
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Carnicide
Originally posted by nariusseldon
There is none. I usually don't play with others. And when i do, i treat them as NPCs.

Then why play MMO.......rpgs in the first place? If you want to play alone there are a ton of single player games out there that do the RPG element better. Maybe you should try Skyrim, it seems like it's the only one that fits all of your standards.

SKYRIM ... too much walking. Of course, i have tried SKYRIM. Don't tell me you are under the illusion that i only (or even mainly) play MMOs.

In fact, i play way more SP games than MMOs. The only reason i play *some* MMO is that they are good enough SP games, and have unique IP that i cannot get anywhere else.

 

You can get a mount in Skyrim Nari, don't tell me you got so fed up at having to walk that you gave up before you found a mount? And you can use the map to teleport to areas you have been before. There is a joy to walking around in what was a beautifully realised world with graphics to take your breath away. And the game part was great too.

  SpottyGekko

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12/31/13 3:45:06 AM#62

The OP would actually prefer to play single-player games, but those are seldom F2P. 

 

So his crusade is simply motivated by the desire to promote the creation of more F2P single-player games (modern MMO's) for his personal enjoyment... 

  User Deleted
12/31/13 5:59:25 AM#63
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Carnicide
Originally posted by nariusseldon
There is none. I usually don't play with others. And when i do, i treat them as NPCs.

Then why play MMO.......rpgs in the first place? If you want to play alone there are a ton of single player games out there that do the RPG element better. Maybe you should try Skyrim, it seems like it's the only one that fits all of your standards.

SKYRIM ... too much walking. Of course, i have tried SKYRIM. Don't tell me you are under the illusion that i only (or even mainly) play MMOs.

In fact, i play way more SP games than MMOs. The only reason i play *some* MMO is that they are good enough SP games, and have unique IP that i cannot get anywhere else.

 

Skyrim is just as badly streamlined as GW2 so I don't see how you would have an issue with that. Once you've unlocked a new place you can teleport there and everywhere else you've been to to your heart's content.

I walk / mount everywhere in Skyrim. I make it a point not to fast travel. Thing is that at least in this single player title I know the other NPCs (you might as well call them players) are not fast travelling while I'm not.

  nariusseldon

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OP  12/31/13 11:08:50 AM#64
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Carnicide
Originally posted by nariusseldon
There is none. I usually don't play with others. And when i do, i treat them as NPCs.

Then why play MMO.......rpgs in the first place? If you want to play alone there are a ton of single player games out there that do the RPG element better. Maybe you should try Skyrim, it seems like it's the only one that fits all of your standards.

SKYRIM ... too much walking. Of course, i have tried SKYRIM. Don't tell me you are under the illusion that i only (or even mainly) play MMOs.

In fact, i play way more SP games than MMOs. The only reason i play *some* MMO is that they are good enough SP games, and have unique IP that i cannot get anywhere else.

 

You can get a mount in Skyrim Nari, don't tell me you got so fed up at having to walk that you gave up before you found a mount? And you can use the map to teleport to areas you have been before. There is a joy to walking around in what was a beautifully realised world with graphics to take your breath away. And the game part was great too.

Of course i know there is a mount, and you can teleport. The problem is that it takes too long to get to anything interesting (for the unexplored part) and terrain is uninteresting.

GW2 is a lot more concentrated with stuff. If i want to talk in a realistic place, I go to a national park. That is not why i play video games.

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  12/31/13 11:10:58 AM#65
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

The OP would actually prefer to play single-player games, but those are seldom F2P. 

 

So his crusade is simply motivated by the desire to promote the creation of more F2P single-player games (modern MMO's) for his personal enjoyment... 

I play lots of SP games. Don't confuse between my unwilling to pay for MMOs (since there are lots of free alternatives) as unwillingness to pay for SP games.

And BTW, there are tons of F2P iOS SP games too and i also play those. But there is no reason i can't pay for and play Dishonored when i like that game, just because i don't pay for MMOs.

 

  Carnicide

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12/31/13 2:28:26 PM#66
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

SKYRIM ... too much walking. Of course, i have tried SKYRIM. Don't tell me you are under the illusion that i only (or even mainly) play MMOs.

There's fast travel in Skyrim, carriages, and Horse riding.

In fact, i play way more SP games than MMOs. The only reason i play *some* MMO is that they are good enough SP games, and have unique IP that i cannot get anywhere else.

 I've played a ton of MMO's and the only 2 I can think of that make a good SP experience is The ld republic and FFXI RR

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  12/31/13 4:01:18 PM#67
Originally posted by Carnicide

In fact, i play way more SP games than MMOs. The only reason i play *some* MMO is that they are good enough SP games, and have unique IP that i cannot get anywhere else.

 I've played a ton of MMO's and the only 2 I can think of that make a good SP experience is The ld republic and FFXI RR

 

Obviously "good SP experience" is subject. Marvel Heroes, and STO are two MMO which i like playing as SP games.

In fact, STO is not only a *good* (for me) choice, but the ONLY choice if i want to play a TNG era Star Trek RPG.

  Flyte27

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1/01/14 9:09:14 AM#68
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Carnicide
Originally posted by nariusseldon
There is none. I usually don't play with others. And when i do, i treat them as NPCs.

Then why play MMO.......rpgs in the first place? If you want to play alone there are a ton of single player games out there that do the RPG element better. Maybe you should try Skyrim, it seems like it's the only one that fits all of your standards.

SKYRIM ... too much walking. Of course, i have tried SKYRIM. Don't tell me you are under the illusion that i only (or even mainly) play MMOs.

In fact, i play way more SP games than MMOs. The only reason i play *some* MMO is that they are good enough SP games, and have unique IP that i cannot get anywhere else.

 

You can get a mount in Skyrim Nari, don't tell me you got so fed up at having to walk that you gave up before you found a mount? And you can use the map to teleport to areas you have been before. There is a joy to walking around in what was a beautifully realised world with graphics to take your breath away. And the game part was great too.

It's pretty sad when people complain they have to walk to much in Skyrim...  There is a horse/buggy that will take you around to any town.  Once you have visited a town or dungeon you can fast travel to that location.  I found that the horse/cart/fast travel detracted a lot from the game.  There were a lot of random encounters that you will never see because it's easier to just follow the quest and fast travel around.  I'd rather they didn't have fast travel at all.  It was also a little disappointing for them to remove the skills for running/walking faster and jumping higher.  It was still a great game though.  It has a lot of flaws, but perhaps that's part of why it's fun.

  goboygo

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1/01/14 9:16:00 AM#69
You don't want an MMO you want a single player game with a "multi player" option.   Its okay though lots of people like it like that these days.
  Pratt2112

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1/01/14 9:26:09 AM#70
Originally posted by nariusseldon

 

5) Crafting is straightly optional. If you just want to kill stuff, and ignore crafting, you can. However, i still think that Marvel Heroes have better crafting .. since it is even simpler, and more useful (upgrade items instead of making junk).

I think GW2 has one of the best implementations of craft leveling I've seen, as absolutely nothing you make is completely useless - it can even be beneficial.

For example,

I went through and crafted a number of items in the 'Invention' window, to open up those recipes. Those items I'm not actually going to use myself, so I salvage them and get back some of the materials required to make them and/or a 'luck essence'. Luck affects your 'Magic Find' rating (very Diablo-esque, coincidentally), which in turn means you have a better chance at getting rarer drops.... which can be further sold, or salvaged as well.. to get more materials and/or luck essences.

The system is quite circular and actually supports and builds off itself. I think that was some very clever thinking on ANet's part. Again, nothing you craft is truly "useless". 

 

"Devs need to stop trying to make MMOs for people who don't like MMOs" - thevampirelematt/Reddit

  nariusseldon

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OP  1/01/14 12:28:49 PM#71
Originally posted by Flyte27
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Carnicide
Originally posted by nariusseldon
There is none. I usually don't play with others. And when i do, i treat them as NPCs.

Then why play MMO.......rpgs in the first place? If you want to play alone there are a ton of single player games out there that do the RPG element better. Maybe you should try Skyrim, it seems like it's the only one that fits all of your standards.

SKYRIM ... too much walking. Of course, i have tried SKYRIM. Don't tell me you are under the illusion that i only (or even mainly) play MMOs.

In fact, i play way more SP games than MMOs. The only reason i play *some* MMO is that they are good enough SP games, and have unique IP that i cannot get anywhere else.

 

You can get a mount in Skyrim Nari, don't tell me you got so fed up at having to walk that you gave up before you found a mount? And you can use the map to teleport to areas you have been before. There is a joy to walking around in what was a beautifully realised world with graphics to take your breath away. And the game part was great too.

It's pretty sad when people complain they have to walk to much in Skyrim...  There is a horse/buggy that will take you around to any town.  Once you have visited a town or dungeon you can fast travel to that location.  I found that the horse/cart/fast travel detracted a lot from the game.  There were a lot of random encounters that you will never see because it's easier to just follow the quest and fast travel around.  I'd rather they didn't have fast travel at all.  It was also a little disappointing for them to remove the skills for running/walking faster and jumping higher.  It was still a great game though.  It has a lot of flaws, but perhaps that's part of why it's fun.

Why is it sad? People just like different stuff. You don't see me respond emotionally when someone complains about The Avenger (which i think is the best super hero/action movie out there).

The horse/buggy is just too slow, and there is too much empty space between interesting stuff. I am play games to walk around pretty scenary.

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  1/01/14 12:29:58 PM#72
Originally posted by goboygo
You don't want an MMO you want a single player game with a "multi player" option.   Its okay though lots of people like it like that these days.

You miss the point, which i have expressed many times.

I only play some MMOs because precisely they have become SP games with a multiplayer option. Don't tell me you think i do it for the "community" or i like "old school" MMOs (which i played, and rejected).

 

  Purutzil

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1/01/14 12:46:57 PM#73
Originally posted by nariusseldon

2) Combat is pretty good .. not as good as D3, but better than most other games.

I'm sorry... I could address the issues with this post but this... I... I don't know if I should laugh hysterically at this comment, be angry at it, or just stare in disbelief.

 

Don't get me wrong, i love ARPGs, but that combat in those games aren't really that 'great', they are very simplistic. D3 in particular is quite weak for an ARPG in most areas minus Polish which I'll admit its one of the best but... GW2? Really? Better then most games? D3 As an example as a better system?

 

I'm sorry, I really am but... I just can't get over that statement. Op.... just take a minute, really think about things... or if that still remains, i want you to actually play other games since if you feel those are two great Combat systems in a Game (one of which isn't an MMO) you really need to go visit and try out some other games to get a taste. You will find there are far better choices out there in both genres. 

 

As for the other 'things' (which I feel some are a bit out of wack) keep in mind heavily making a game casual or doing things like making 'vendors everywhere' are huge immersion breakers and are quick to detract from being absorbed and content within the game. 

  Holophonist

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1/01/14 1:00:32 PM#74
I can't wait until games complete the quests for us, too.
  nariusseldon

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OP  1/01/14 2:13:58 PM#75
Originally posted by Purutzil

Don't get me wrong, i love ARPGs, but that combat in those games aren't really that 'great', they are very simplistic. D3 in particular is quite weak for an ARPG in most areas minus Polish which I'll admit its one of the best but... GW2? Really? Better then most games? D3 As an example as a better system?

 

Really? Just look at youtube and how many guides & ways to play D3.

Its combat is much better than PoE, TL2, and people put in much more time in D3 than those games. You don't like it does not mean others don't.

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  1/01/14 2:15:15 PM#76
Originally posted by Holophonist
I can't wait until games complete the quests for us, too.

You get your wishes! GW2 already did. You just did to kill stuff, and quests are automatically completed. You don't need to go "pick them up" either.

It is a good design. No one (or very few) read the quest text anyway .. so it is cut out.

 

  iridescence

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1/01/14 2:26:17 PM#77
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

Its combat is much better than PoE, TL2, and people put in much more time in D3 than those games. You don't like it does not mean others don't.

 

Actually, considering it's just a few guys that made PoE  vs all of Blizzard that made Diablo 3 I think the PoE guys put more time into it (6 years if I remember correctly).

And Path of Exile is far more strategically complex. Have you ever looked up the number of build types for that game? I never bought Diablo 3 because Diablo 2 is boring to me but everyone I've heard says Diablo 3 is an extremely simplified and streamlined game (but then you've said over and over that that's exactly what you look for in games so it isn't really surprising that you like it).

 

 

  Holophonist

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1/01/14 2:31:03 PM#78
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Holophonist
I can't wait until games complete the quests for us, too.

You get your wishes! GW2 already did. You just did to kill stuff, and quests are automatically completed. You don't need to go "pick them up" either.

It is a good design. No one (or very few) read the quest text anyway .. so it is cut out.

 

No I mean to complete the tasks involved in the quest. So tedious to have to actually go kill the mobs they want me to kill or deliver the messages they want me to deliver. I play games for fun, not for work.

  nariusseldon

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OP  1/01/14 3:08:58 PM#79
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Holophonist
I can't wait until games complete the quests for us, too.

You get your wishes! GW2 already did. You just did to kill stuff, and quests are automatically completed. You don't need to go "pick them up" either.

It is a good design. No one (or very few) read the quest text anyway .. so it is cut out.

 

No I mean to complete the tasks involved in the quest. So tedious to have to actually go kill the mobs they want me to kill or deliver the messages they want me to deliver. I play games for fun, not for work.

Combat is fun .. reading a map is work .. apparently the market agrees. Hence, people get to kill kill and kill, and never have to read a map.

 

  Holophonist

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1/01/14 3:20:26 PM#80
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Holophonist
I can't wait until games complete the quests for us, too.

You get your wishes! GW2 already did. You just did to kill stuff, and quests are automatically completed. You don't need to go "pick them up" either.

It is a good design. No one (or very few) read the quest text anyway .. so it is cut out.

 

No I mean to complete the tasks involved in the quest. So tedious to have to actually go kill the mobs they want me to kill or deliver the messages they want me to deliver. I play games for fun, not for work.

Combat is fun .. reading a map is work .. apparently the market agrees. Hence, people get to kill kill and kill, and never have to read a map.

alright alright alright but at LEAST teleport me to the mob spawn so I don't have to run. So boring. And let me sell things to the vendor from anywhere on the map. What a hassle it is to have to walk to the appropriate vendor. I go to the gym in real life, not looking to get excercise in a video game!

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