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  cybersrs

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12/25/13 1:14:12 PM#41
Originally posted by Thornrage

I will pre-order and I will play as long as the game keeps me satisfied. I cannot ask for more.

I will do the same! But I can ask for more... I am pretty sure no one will listening to me!  :-P

  jdnyc

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12/25/13 1:26:08 PM#42

Here's a very colorful, but yet another entitlement post.

It has a lot of words surrounding it in the OP to try and disguise it, but let's cut through the clutter.

The issue isn't that you won't be buying the game because it's not a voxel based co-op.  If you stopped here, it would of been okay as just pure opinion and a game design that you were hoping for they would make.

But here is where the entitlement portion comes in.

The issue is that you would be surprised the game will last for any length of time because it's not the game design that you deem will be successful (read: that you want.)  What I find even funnier is that you think your long standing investment in the Elder Scrolls franchise gives you more weight in your opinion.  It doesn't.  

  strawhat0981

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12/25/13 1:38:46 PM#43
Why do people think they should tell us why they wont play a game, because no one really cares.
  calranthe

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OP  12/25/13 2:15:06 PM#44
Originally posted by strawhat0981
Why do people think they should tell us why they wont play a game, because no one really cares.

For a thread that you say no one cares there is a lot of replies on both sides of the discussion and like I said this forum is for those that like ESO and those that believe it is a mistake.

  calranthe

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OP  12/25/13 2:17:20 PM#45
Originally posted by jdnyc

Here's a very colorful, but yet another entitlement post.

It has a lot of words surrounding it in the OP to try and disguise it, but let's cut through the clutter.

The issue isn't that you won't be buying the game because it's not a voxel based co-op.  If you stopped here, it would of been okay as just pure opinion and a game design that you were hoping for they would make.

But here is where the entitlement portion comes in.

The issue is that you would be surprised the game will last for any length of time because it's not the game design that you deem will be successful (read: that you want.)  What I find even funnier is that you think your long standing investment in the Elder Scrolls franchise gives you more weight in your opinion.  It doesn't.  

Let me correct you on a few things I did not mention voxel based and the context of my opinion and past investment and history in ES games is just showing the point I am coming from.

 

  Aldous.Huxley

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12/25/13 2:20:22 PM#46
Seriously, this game cannot be all things to all people. This game will survive just fine. Personally, I began playing with Daggerfall. At the time it blew my mind & I've really enjoyed the Elder Scrolls series & I can say that I will be playing ESO. No doubt.



Will it be perfect? No.



Will it provide ESO fans with some MMO fun? In most cases, I'm betting yes.



Feedback is great for game developement but some of this mindless whining is just too much. I thought ESO fans were better than this. Shame on all of you.
  Tamanous

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12/25/13 2:21:58 PM#47
Originally posted by calranthe
Originally posted by strawhat0981
Why do people think they should tell us why they wont play a game, because no one really cares.

For a thread that you say no one cares there is a lot of replies on both sides of the discussion and like I said this forum is for those that like ESO and those that believe it is a mistake.

Because you simply made a new doom and gloom thread just like the other 2 massive threads on this subject.

 

We get it. Players of the first games are butt hurt that ESO is an mmo.

 

The is your ONLY complaint and evidently you can't survive without voicing your discontent endlessly completely ignorant of the fact that many other opinions may exist and simply wish to spam your unvarying opinion upon everyone else.

 

If any of the doom and gloomers here would actually listen for a ^%$#ing second to what others have to say (this goes for both sides) without shooting every thing down instantly then perhaps others would take you seriously for even a moment and not simply view these threads as endless spam.

 

 

You stay sassy!

  dogdersROC

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12/25/13 2:37:51 PM#48
Everybody is entitled to their own opinions and have own wishes for a game.  Im another oldtimer for ES games but what I envisioned ESO to be closest in similarity to was a first person version of UO but obvious more reflex combat. Not a minecraft fan or could care less bout bulding voxels or whatnot terrain, so that would be a huge disapointment for me. Have had the beta for awhile but just havent found time or excuse to try it out yet. Hopefully we can all find somethin to like.
  Thane

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12/25/13 2:41:21 PM#49

so, you are saying you are not playing the mmo because you wanted a coop game?

yea well. that's interesting but irrelevant ^^

 

thx 4 sharing tho

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  Iselin

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12/25/13 2:53:04 PM#50
Originally posted by calranthe

....

My hope for ESO was a co-operative version of skyrim 4-8-16 players server mechanics like a modable minecraft server that people could come play in your world and adventure with you, open to all skyrim content available both original as well as nexus and steam the only limit being what the server owner decided would be on there.

.....

I have hopes for wildstar and other mmo games but ESO is just stepping into a realm where it can never fill the world people have been playing in for 10 years already.

 

In case you didn't know, Wildstar is not a moddable 16-player co-op game... just saying.

 

Unwittingly, those two statements put together tell anyone who is contemplating making a new MMO all they need to know about the up-hill struggle of making one based on a pre-existing IP.

 

You tell us why you won't play the MMO based on the world and lore you profess to love, and then you tell us how you will play the most obvious WOW clone to come out in years which lacks all the features your beloved TES must have for you to even consider it...

 

I bet you're fun on Christmas day... "A dark green Porsche? Thanks, I guess, but you know, dark green is a British sport car color... it shouldn't even be an option for a Porsche." 

  Lord.Bachus

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12/25/13 3:03:57 PM#51
Originally posted by calranthe

This is my opinion, not fact and I do not really mind if anyone else does not follow it.

Why post it here then ? If you are not playing just move on.

Well the simple answer is that this forum both for positive and negative for everyone who had or has an interest in this game be it to love or hate.

I know the company that is doing the game is a different company than the one that does Skyrim etc but this is an Elder scrolls game and just be held up to the past and history of these games.

Having been immersed in the lore and game play of the series since the original game which I have fond memories of my wife watching me play and Daggerfall with its shops and huge world single handed started my wife's gaming addiction.

My Morrowind save has over 2400 hours on it, Oblivion 1100 and as of this morning my Skyrim game is just nudging 604 hours.

So as a fan of the series and player of the games I am heavily invested in those titles, I spent a few hours last night with some not too accurate stats and realized that It would take me over 17 years of constant play to get through all the mod content on nexus and steam for skyrim alone.

March 2006 Oblivion came out and 7 years later if you use the latest meshes and enhancements it looks better than ESO, Skyrim with a decent pc you came make absolutely breath taking even morrowind is being shoe horned into the skyrim engine.

Bethesda makes good games but it is the tools and open ended architecture that cause it to surpass the lifetime of most other fantasy games.

At the same time I have played mmo's since muds and meridian 59 nearly every online title out there, currently I spend time in TSW, STO and Eve online.

My hope for ESO was a co-operative version of skyrim 4-8-16 players server mechanics like a modable minecraft server that people could come play in your world and adventure with you, open to all skyrim content available both original as well as nexus and steam the only limit being what the server owner decided would be on there.

Maybe I am the only one who wanted that I don't know but thinking about the elder scrolls as a genre in its own right and knowing that no development team in the world will be able to create and give content at the level of the mod people can I realize at best ESO will be a RvRvR competent mmo with ES lore and skin.

It just isn't for me, hell I will probably still be able to play skyrim in 7 years and will be amazed if ESO is still around then.

Just came to the conclusion that I do not need the ESO that is being created for us.

I do not hate it, sad at a lost chance to make something pretty unique after all imagine a co-op version or skyrim with access to all the mods available from quests to houses from races to item 17+ years of content for you and friends to play through.

I have hopes for wildstar and other mmo games but ESO is just stepping into a realm where it can never fill the world people have been playing in for 10 years already.

I dont get you... you complain about ESO graphics... and then you announce you want to play Wildstar..

 

Elder scrolls is bound to create the first MMO with real RPG since LOTRO saw the market..

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations)
Currently playing : The Elder Scrolls Online

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

12/25/13 3:09:45 PM#52

I like the OP's idea of a minecraft-esque server system for a tradition Elder Scrolls experience.  It seems many other people want Skyrim-with-friends too.  The mention of the ability to host a server for friends using player selected mods is a great idea.

Obviously this isn't Skyrim, or ESO.  However, I hope that another Elder Scrolls title will come out with this exactly.  A single player game, that optionally can be played online with friends.  No detriment to single player ES lovers, and the option exists for those who want to play with friends.  Everyone wins.

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  Lord.Bachus

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12/25/13 3:17:09 PM#53
Originally posted by kadepsyson

I like the OP's idea of a minecraft-esque server system for a tradition Elder Scrolls experience.  It seems many other people want Skyrim-with-friends too.  The mention of the ability to host a server for friends using player selected mods is a great idea.

Obviously this isn't Skyrim, or ESO.  However, I hope that another Elder Scrolls title will come out with this exactly.  A single player game, that optionally can be played online with friends.  No detriment to single player ES lovers, and the option exists for those who want to play with friends.  Everyone wins.

If they wanted top make Skyrim with friends... it would have been called Skyrim Coop.

 

But they wanted to make an MMO RPG and they are doing a great job adding the feel and lore of the elder scrolls universe to an MMO..

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations)
Currently playing : The Elder Scrolls Online

  EQBallzz

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12/25/13 3:42:21 PM#54

to the OP: so even though the game that is being made was NEVER meant to be co-op Skyrim and nobody EVER said it would be that and you are not playing because of that? So by that logic I think I will not play Wildstar because it doesn't have photo-realistic graphics and make a long post about it even though that was never happening anyway and is pointless for me to say.

 

I also love how some people complain about some features in ESO that were never in ES (like pvp) but in the same breath complain because there is no AH (which was also not in ES). So really the complaining is less about Zenimax being true to some ES norm and more about people just complaining about their own personal preferences.

 

I'm certainly not onboard with everything in ESO. I'm not sure why they don't have an AH or how the crafting is going to go but I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand or continuously gripe about it until I see it in action. Maybe the system they have in mind will work. I'll be the first to complain or give feedback on it if it doesn't work but it doesn't seem that productive to proclaim that it sucks now.

  User Deleted
12/25/13 8:20:30 PM#55
Originally posted by calranthe

I think my main problem and it is my own problem is actively playing skyrim and finding it impossible for myself to seperate ESO and see it as a completely seperate place.

When I think of Elder scrolls I think of housing, quests and being someone who can make a true difference, to explore the world and then expand that world with mods until it is anything I wish it to be, PVE complete focus without this silly concept of "end game" I mean in elder scrolls, daggerfall, morrowind oblivion and skyrim the whole game was the journey, the exploration end game concept just never fit.

 

 

MMOs are only about end-game if you treat them as such. Its about your own personal mentality and how you approach the game.  Skyrim had a skill cap too, and many people rushed to that by exploiting crafting for instance.  You chose to enjoy the journey instead, which is exactly what you could choose to do in ESO, but you are instead approaching it as a rush to endgame because it is a MMO.

In MMOs I generally have 1 or 2 'end-game' characters which I maintain for challenging raid progression, the rest of my alts just explore the world at a leisurely pace.  I know many other people like this too, which is why EQ, EQ2 and WoW have such high retention.  Outside of end game progression there is a large world to get lost in and explore.

My only concerns about ESO are:

1) How good the combat is. Combat is pretty important to me, if it feels clunky or non-tactical it will be a big turn off.

2) How much content is available, if the world is large enough to get lost in through multiple play throughs.

3) How well the PvP is implemented (to keep me around for the long haul).

 

But most of those are personal opinion things that will require me to try the game for myself.

  SoulTrapOnSelf

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12/25/13 8:24:12 PM#56
no, ESO can't be a glorified Skyrim.. I am done with Skyrim, I need a new game!
  bliss14

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12/25/13 11:32:09 PM#57
Originally posted by SoulTrapOnSelf
no, ESO can't be a glorified Skyrim.. I am done with Skyrim, I need a new game!

Bite your tongue. 

  Nemerses

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12/26/13 4:02:25 AM#58

What a whinging little child bet he is the fat guy you see at macs.

and if STO is the bar he uses to judge, shows oh knows zip, so move on and good riddance.

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  nosforia

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12/26/13 6:12:58 AM#59
I don't think better mmo to play than ESO.It 's simple.Best upcoming mmo.All other mmo's are a JOKE and for kids

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  Retired

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12/26/13 6:20:39 AM#60
I really hoped you played beta before you wrote this. If not, give it a try at least. I won't be playing as well, but I put some time into beta to know it's not for me.
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