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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

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  Yaevindusk

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Logic, reason and fact do not supersede human nature. Ignorance reigns without justice.

12/15/13 7:57:11 PM#21
Originally posted by Tatercake
i was thinking of this game but after watching tons of vids of combat system and pvp it seems people just stand   and spam skills after skils and whats that ya spam more skills  seems very old styled and boring  was let down

 

That's just MMOs in general.  Though if you're into complex rotations (with some five variations of such to be decided by you depending on the situation, in addition to paying attention to flanking, back attacks and frontal attacks with some enemy/boss mechanics) and situational awareness to be able to increase the potent attack power of each ability the Monk may do you well.  Though there's a lot to worry about on that class; few are able to play it correctly or to maximum effectiveness.  Plus it's annoying to keep the buff rotation up, especially since every enemy has a telegraphed skill of some sort that you have to dodge as melee.

When faced with strife or discontent, the true nature of a man is brought forth. It is then when we see the character of the individual. It is then we are able to tell if he is mature enough to grin and bare it, or subject his fellow man to his complaints and woes.

  sumdumguy1

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12/15/13 7:57:33 PM#22
Originally posted by jpflint

some people will put up with anything ... but for most of the community ... you could just feel the huge collective dampening of the mood after the patch notes.

 

I really hope they fix things fast.

And Bingo was his name!  I agree 100%

  Chrisbox

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12/15/13 7:58:15 PM#23
I'm so confused. Bards aren't even being nerfed damage wise. Random rage is random.  

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  Pratt2112

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12/15/13 7:58:31 PM#24
Originally posted by Tatercake
i was thinking of this game but after watching tons of vids of combat system and pvp it seems people just stand   and spam skills after skils and whats that ya spam more skills  seems very old styled and boring  was let down

Well, Yoshi-P had been very open, consistent and confident in modeling ARR as a "standard modern MMO". Apparently that includes adhering to many of the standard mechanics we've all seen over the last decade or so.

At least he's a man of his word, eh?

"Devs need to stop trying to make MMOs for people who don't like MMOs" - thevampirelematt/Reddit

  Ganksinatra

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12/15/13 8:34:47 PM#25
So the two major complaints I see here is "Why can't I own the most expensive piece of land day one for 10 bucks?" and "I had to wait in a queue once so I quit.". Seems legit. This is, of course, followed closely by  "casual" players (I am hardly casual and I haven't even delved that far into end game yet) claiming they have finished endgame and are bored. You just can't please the WoW crowd anymore unless they have epic gear raining from the ceiling and free everything for those who whine enough.
  reeereee

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Joined: 3/22/13
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12/16/13 12:09:36 AM#26
Originally posted by Huntari
Originally posted by Foomerang

you didnt break down prices, you broke down one price (the most expensive price) and you made the price fixed (which it isnt). Then you used those two very narrow points of view to make sweeping generalizations about not only the housing system but the dev team as a whole. lol come on.

The house we want is 20 mil. In a couple months it will most likely be around 10 mil (according to the sliding scale they gave us). We currently have 2 mil and play super casually.

In order to criticize properly you must first think critically.

 

I am; you aren't.

I broke down the most expensive plot and the theoretically largest possible Free Company in ideal circumstances to show how insane the high end of these prices are and how even the largest Free Company in the world would still be very hard pressed to afford it.

The development team is completely out of touch with a starting price, on Hyperion, of 20 million gil. After 3 months, yeah, its 10 million gil. If you have a Free Company with 10 - 20 people, thats between 500k and 1 million per person which is still an insane price just for land (not to mention the price of buying an actual house, the price of furnishing it, etc...). The development team is, clearly, out of touch with the reality of their own game if they think thats viable for most players. It creates an artificial gate so only the largest or richest Free Companies will get a house early on, and only those willing to grind gil in the long-term will get one ever.

What, exactly, is your example supposed to support?

Are you sure you're not the one out of touch?  I think several members of the fc I was in spent more than 500k in a month on food.  Have you considered the possibility that you're just really bad at making gil?  I knew a lot of players who would not consider donating 1 mil to 500k for fc housing to be a big deal or even mildly inconvenient.  That said I quit over a month ago because of the terrible combat, maybe they added some crazy gil sink in the last month other than housing that keeps you from saving up 500k? 

  kaiser3282

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12/16/13 3:53:40 AM#27
Originally posted by gw1228

Caster nerfs

especially to bards

Insane Housing Prices

redundant to little end game content....

 

THis game is just going down the %^^%^%

 

Oh well on to the next MMO

"especially to bards"

Huh? The only real "nerf" being applied to bards is a reduction to the buffs of 2 cross class skills (Internal Release and Blood for Blood"), and theyre pretty minor nerfs overall. They only have an impact when the buffs are actually up, and theyre not very drastic changes. Youre looking at a less than 5% total decrease in damage over the course of a full dungeon.

Oh no, that 15m WP run just turned into a 15 1/2 minute run QQQQQQQQ.

The damage of your core abilities hasn't change, you're still just as mobile as before, and you're still getting the majority of your damage the same way as before,  the 2 buffs being nerfed will hardly be noticed when actually playing. I was actually expecting them to do a meaningful nerf like reducing the proc% on River of Blood or something along those lines. Glad to see I won't have to change my playstyle or switch to a new dps class after all.

 

With that said, i do agree that some the stuff they're doing is pretty ridiculous. Slowing down build speed for LB2 & 3 if you have more than 1 of a class in your party... that's just flat out ridiculous and not needed. So now, if you happen to only be able to get 2 WHMs to heal for you, or 2 of the same dps to run a dungeon you're being penalized for it. Would love to know what genius thought that one up.

  Hyanmen

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12/16/13 4:43:34 AM#28
Originally posted by kaiser3282

With that said, i do agree that some the stuff they're doing is pretty ridiculous. Slowing down build speed for LB2 & 3 if you have more than 1 of a class in your party... that's just flat out ridiculous and not needed. So now, if you happen to only be able to get 2 WHMs to heal for you, or 2 of the same dps to run a dungeon you're being penalized for it. Would love to know what genius thought that one up.

Encourages using variety of jobs in encounters for maximum efficiency instead of stacking the DPS of the month.

Good sides, bad sides. The fact is all DF content is still doable with more than one of the same job but the min-maxers have no choice but to include all sorts of DPS in their encounters.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Raven322

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Posts: 43

12/16/13 6:00:05 AM#29

Weird thread.

Houses are expensive and may actually require FC's to spend time earning them. This is apparently outrageous.

This patch contains more content that almost any other patch I've ever seen in an MMO anywhere, ever.

It contains numerous fixes to issues, addresses concerns that have arisen since launch, and contains a massive amount of new content.

But no houses are expensive and they nerfed Bards. (Who kind of needed it.)

They buffed Warriors. (Who also needed it.)

But hate on I guess, I'm enjoying the game a lot. I hope you all can find something you enjoy as well.

  Hyanmen

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12/16/13 7:23:48 AM#30
Originally posted by Raven322

Weird thread.

Houses are expensive and may actually require FC's to spend time earning them. This is apparently outrageous.

The outrageous part is that new players on Legacy servers are surprised when the house prices are higher on said hyperinflated servers, meaning they can't afford them. Obviously overlooking the fact that if the prices were lower the Legacy billionaires would buy all plots under their nose anyway, except said billionaires would stay rich in the future as well.

Mix it up with trolls, haters and general MMO community faux-outrage and you end up with "the housing feature is too expensive!" bitching (even though the complaint is only valid for a fraction of the playerbase at worst).

To be honest there is also some amount of confusion and insecurity as the WoW playerbase has to face the unknown all alone, without knowing that money is a third-grade currency at best. Fortunately WoW has prepared enough diapers for everyone looking for refuge so these people don't have to face the ruthless nature of player run economy no longer.

The economy where someone is always richer than you, and you are only wealthy compared to everyone else's wealth.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Davod

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Joined: 10/26/07
Posts: 44

12/16/13 11:18:50 AM#31
Can't understand people complaining about the patch. The Patch is immense and a real good work. A few of these and this game will be pure awesomeness and probably the best on the market!

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