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  Badaboom

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OP  12/13/13 10:44:02 AM#101

Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 

  Pilnkplonk

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12/13/13 10:52:36 AM#102
Originally posted by Badaboom

Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 

Sounds like a perfect thriving ground for trolls and malicious competition.. Which is basically what the opponents of all the so-called copyfright laws have been saying all along. Don't like what the competition's doing? Easy, just flag all their videos and the ones they appear in for infringement.

You don't like that one guy in his bedroom has 20x more views than your games magazine behemoth who invested hundreds of k to switch into video reviews? Easy, flag him. You don't like that Joe's pizzeria next door has youtube promo videos? Easy, flag them. You don't like someone's moustache? Easy, flag him....

What youtube and media industry morons behind them are doing is trying to dismantle hundreds of years of legal practices and principles. It's just plain ridiculous what they're trying to achieve without any thought for long-term consequences. If I put something on youtube which someone thinks damaging or a case of theft, then it's a matter for the courts and the police - between me and the offended party, and NOT something a private company providing a very basic service should police or be responsible for. I think this is pretty much self evident. You can't hold a telephone company responsible for a drug deal that was made over their lines... I mean you could, but this would have such far-reaching consequences for the society as a whole that it would stop being able to function... unless it became some kind of total surveillance dystopian nightmare. Oh wait...

  lizardbones

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12/13/13 10:52:39 AM#103


Originally posted by Badaboom
Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 




This is essentially what the movie and music industries asked for. Then they got it setup and enforced all legal like.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  Mors.Magne

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12/13/13 10:55:37 AM#104

I haven't seen Angry Joe's video, but I can imagine the content.

 

Reminds me of the old saying:  "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

 

YouTube needs far more competition - we need to start using alternatives as well.

 

 

  Mors.Magne

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12/13/13 11:02:09 AM#105
Originally posted by Badaboom

Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 

 

Don't take things at face value! - it's likely that corporations are using the law for ulterior motives.

 

I work in PR and my guess is that corporations want to control information. 

 

Information is money and power.

 

People like Angry Joe affect the market.

  Tygranir

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12/13/13 11:14:06 AM#106
No employer = no financial security. Kudos for doing what you love, but if you do not have direct sponsors, you are trusting your monetary stability to total strangers who care nothing about you. I have no sympathy.

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  Badaboom

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OP  12/13/13 11:16:00 AM#107
Originally posted by Tygranir
No employer = no financial security. Kudos for doing what you love, but if you do not have direct sponsors, you are trusting your monetary stability to total strangers who care nothing about you. I have no sympathy.

Another person who has not read my most recent post.  This is not what we are discussing.  Please read up and join in on the topic of the conversation.

  Derros

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12/13/13 11:28:27 AM#108
Originally posted by Tygranir
No employer = no financial security. Kudos for doing what you love, but if you do not have direct sponsors, you are trusting your monetary stability to total strangers who care nothing about you. I have no sympathy.

From personal experience, having an employer doesnt mean financial security either.  My last company fired people on a whim.  Couldnt come in every weekend to do unpaid overtime, fired, couldnt complete work when on the CEO's schedual, even if it was completely impractical, fired.  be unhappy about where you worked, fired.  68% turnover rate, and these were Scientist/engineer level positions too, not just labor.

 

I was able to get out before they got me =D

  Haites

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Posts: 70

12/13/13 11:29:36 AM#109
Originally posted by Badaboom

Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 

You are forgetting the fact that Google/YouTube is under no obligation to let his content exist on their site ever, for any reason.  If you or others do not agree with YouTube's policies, then move your operation elsewhere.

Also, if this isn't a conversation about money, then what difference does it make where he hosts his content?  It's not like YouTube is the only game in town though it is probably the most lucrative.

Fact of the matter is Google is a big fish and has made a lot of enemies.  Other companies (like Apple) are suing them for millions and billions of dollars for *gasp* copyright infringement.  Even if Joe and others are doing nothing ILLEGAL, the simple reality is that even one major copyright infringement lawsuit can bring down the entire house of cards.

  Tygranir

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Posts: 765

12/13/13 11:33:03 AM#110
Originally posted by Derros
Originally posted by Tygranir
No employer = no financial security. Kudos for doing what you love, but if you do not have direct sponsors, you are trusting your monetary stability to total strangers who care nothing about you. I have no sympathy.

From personal experience, having an employer doesnt mean financial security either.  My last company fired people on a whim.  Couldnt come in every weekend to do unpaid overtime, fired, couldnt complete work when on the CEO's schedual, even if it was completely impractical, fired.  be unhappy about where you worked, fired.  68% turnover rate, and these were Scientist/engineer level positions too, not just labor.

 

I was able to get out before they got me =D

 This is why we have contracts and labor laws. Not to mention employers have to pay unemployment wages upon firing employees (Situation depending). All this would be covered in the job offer that you accept. You current situation is always a culmination of the choices you have made.

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  Badaboom

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OP  12/13/13 11:46:30 AM#111
Originally posted by Haites
Originally posted by Badaboom

Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 

You are forgetting the fact that Google/YouTube is under no obligation to let his content exist on their site ever, for any reason.  If you or others do not agree with YouTube's policies, then move your operation elsewhere.

Also, if this isn't a conversation about money, then what difference does it make where he hosts his content?  It's not like YouTube is the only game in town though it is probably the most lucrative.

Fact of the matter is Google is a big fish and has made a lot of enemies.  Other companies (like Apple) are suing them for millions and billions of dollars for *gasp* copyright infringement.  Even if Joe and others are doing nothing ILLEGAL, the simple reality is that even one major copyright infringement lawsuit can bring down the entire house of cards.

Well the thing is youtube was nothing before all the content creators.  Youtube provided the platform, but  it was the content creators who brought in the viewers that made youtube what it is today.  Then once this behemoth juggernaut is built up, google essentially turns their back on the guys whose shoulders youtube stood on.

  Tygranir

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12/13/13 11:49:19 AM#112
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Haites
Originally posted by Badaboom

Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 

You are forgetting the fact that Google/YouTube is under no obligation to let his content exist on their site ever, for any reason.  If you or others do not agree with YouTube's policies, then move your operation elsewhere.

Also, if this isn't a conversation about money, then what difference does it make where he hosts his content?  It's not like YouTube is the only game in town though it is probably the most lucrative.

Fact of the matter is Google is a big fish and has made a lot of enemies.  Other companies (like Apple) are suing them for millions and billions of dollars for *gasp* copyright infringement.  Even if Joe and others are doing nothing ILLEGAL, the simple reality is that even one major copyright infringement lawsuit can bring down the entire house of cards.

Well the thing is youtube was nothing before all the content creators.  Youtube provided the platform, but  it was the content creators who brought in the viewers that made youtube what it is today.  Then once this behemoth juggernaut is built up, google essentially turns their back on the guys whose shoulders youtube stood on.

 Welcome to business. If you are not generating a profit, you are sucking up valuable space.

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  AlBQuirky

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12/13/13 11:51:54 AM#113

Deleted. Question asked and answered :)

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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  Badaboom

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OP  12/13/13 11:54:35 AM#114
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Haites
Originally posted by Badaboom

Some people seem to be confused about this discussions main talking points.  Let me summarize:

1) People who created the content by interviewing developers are having their videos disputed by an automated content id system.  This stops the monetization of the video.  In some extreme cases this can take three months to sort out.  This is not a discussion about people making a living making videos.  Save that discussion for your own thread.

2)  Other cases in which a game creators/developers release a trailer of their own game are having their work automatically taken down.

3) The onus of proof lies with the content creator who made the video, not the individual or company submitted the infringed copyright claim. 

You are forgetting the fact that Google/YouTube is under no obligation to let his content exist on their site ever, for any reason.  If you or others do not agree with YouTube's policies, then move your operation elsewhere.

Also, if this isn't a conversation about money, then what difference does it make where he hosts his content?  It's not like YouTube is the only game in town though it is probably the most lucrative.

Fact of the matter is Google is a big fish and has made a lot of enemies.  Other companies (like Apple) are suing them for millions and billions of dollars for *gasp* copyright infringement.  Even if Joe and others are doing nothing ILLEGAL, the simple reality is that even one major copyright infringement lawsuit can bring down the entire house of cards.

Well the thing is youtube was nothing before all the content creators.  Youtube provided the platform, but  it was the content creators who brought in the viewers that made youtube what it is today.  Then once this behemoth juggernaut is built up, google essentially turns their back on the guys whose shoulders youtube stood on.

 Welcome to business. If you are not generating a profit, you are sucking up valuable space.

Yes, but again we are getting off topic.  People owning the content are getting their videos removed because of an automated content id system.  A system that puts the onus on the creator, not the entity submitting the claim.  This potentially could ruin youtube as people start to flock to other platforms.

  Haites

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12/13/13 12:08:02 PM#115
Originally posted by Badaboom

Yes, but again we are getting off topic.  People owning the content are getting their videos removed because of an automated content id system.  A system that puts the onus on the creator, not the entity submitting the claim.  This potentially could ruin youtube as people start to flock to other platforms.

I suggest taking the time to actually read through the material found here: https://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/what-is-copyright.html

They cover fair use, copyright infringement, and even have policies in place to protect users from false claims.

  Badaboom

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OP  12/13/13 12:35:18 PM#116
Originally posted by Haites
Originally posted by Badaboom

Yes, but again we are getting off topic.  People owning the content are getting their videos removed because of an automated content id system.  A system that puts the onus on the creator, not the entity submitting the claim.  This potentially could ruin youtube as people start to flock to other platforms.

I suggest taking the time to actually read through the material found here: https://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/what-is-copyright.html

They cover fair use, copyright infringement, and even have policies in place to protect users from false claims.

Thanks.  I read it and matches up pretty well with my understanding.   Really it is the automated content id system stopping the video the content creators monetization for potentially up to 90 days that is the big problem.

  JJ82

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12/13/13 12:45:27 PM#117

I am disappointed in Joe...

This isn't a Youtube issue, its a GOOGLE issue. They own Youtube and they have betrayed EVERYONE all while pretending they are for net-neutrality and anti-copyright control. They did this all while creating a system to try to force everyone to reveal their true identity and make it so companies can fully track people online while removing any chance for people to share anything that may seem like it has a copyright. This is the reason why people are leaving sites like Facebook and anything Google+ related. They lost their way and forgot WHY they became so popular. I have already abandoned my Gmail account for a new one and moved from Facebook and Youtube to Snapchat and Tumblr.

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  TsaboHavoc

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12/13/13 12:53:52 PM#118
he wasnt  making money from the games but from his opinions and productions. this makes me wish go cyperpunk and screw all these stupid companies.
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12/13/13 2:01:39 PM#119
Originally posted by avalon1000
The danger here is "fair use" of material. It used to be that a reviewer could use snippets from a copyrighted work in order to show the people they are reviewing for what they are talking about. This move by Google is very dangerous and another blow to our freedom here in the United States. I will be moving away from all Google products in the future. I don't trust them anymore.

Like others have mentioned, showing "snippets" and doing the "let's play" stuff where you basically upload a playthrough of the entire (or large parts) of the game are very different things.

  Tygranir

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12/13/13 2:06:09 PM#120
Originally posted by TsaboHavoc
he wasnt  making money from the games but from his opinions and productions. this makes me wish go cyperpunk and screw all these stupid companies.

Yeah!! What he said!

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