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  Tabloid42

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12/12/13 4:44:00 PM#41
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Oh just a little helpful hint.  A single player game will have much more room for graphical advances then an MMO.  I understand some don't understand this but it's really not that hard of a concept one player on the screen vs many is a huge difference.  It's the same reason why Call of Duty no longer can handle four player split screen the graphical advanced are just too much to have 4 screens at once.  Mmos do have limitations just based on their size.  

Im not in a mood to be mean so ill just block you

On subject. Didnt notice that so animations probably arent that bad.

Just to unnecessarily add,   Mo Cap doesn't take up any more resources run-time -wise than traditional hand keyed.  A key is a key.  I am certain all Mo cap goes though an animator anyways,..to push poses,..etc,..at the very least to clean up the messy data.  

 

 

Originally posted by Sevenstar61
 

SWTOR has best animations comparing to MMOS I've played

 

 

Sorry,..my post was not worded right.  The animations are good in SWTOR, I admit.  I was refering to the hype machine. :p

I wish DDO had as good animations. Mo-Cap or not.

  Rhoklaw

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12/12/13 5:07:48 PM#42
It's amazing how gamers still can't grasp the idea that offline single player games are under a completely different set of graphics and animation rules then MMOs. When you think about TESO being a heavily large scale FvF based game, graphics and excessive animation mechanics = unbearable latency. Last thing we need in another PvP focused MMO is latency.

  Denambren

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OP  12/12/13 5:30:58 PM#43
Originally posted by Rhoklaw
It's amazing how gamers still can't grasp the idea that offline single player games are under a completely different set of graphics and animation rules then MMOs. When you think about TESO being a heavily large scale FvF based game, graphics and excessive animation mechanics = unbearable latency. Last thing we need in another PvP focused MMO is latency.

Yeah except, graphic performance does not equate to network latency. Bad graphic performance gives you 2 FPS and then you die to that guy that teleported next to you because your video card didn't render it.

 

Also, see my previous post on Star Wars Galaxies having mo-cap in 2003. Having smooth and realistic animation does not need to be a massive strain on graphic cards. You can make a stick-figure animate smoothly with mo-cap (and in fact, the animation skeleton in mo-cap starts off that way).

  killahh

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12/12/13 5:31:30 PM#44
Originally posted by Denambren

In every ESO video that has been released, we have yet to see motion capture incorporated into any of the animations. How can this be? Skyrim had such beautiful animation with mo-cap. The animation in ESO is an embarrassment in comparison. 

 

There have been plenty of negative prophecies made by plenty of people about plenty of upcoming MMOs, but ESO looks like it may be setting the hugest scale of disappointment yet. I get the feeling that with a release date now set for April 4th 2014, this game has completely given up on being a success and is just cutting losses.

 

My sympathies go out to everyone who expected something from this game. With luck, the game will be so bad that it becomes a comical cultural reference. And then the Elder Scrolls franchise can continue its tradition of bringing humor to the internet.

took me a bit tofigure out your babble, but i get it now.

 

 your talking about the slow motion  finishing moves in the single player game.

 the amount of time the slow motion is going to take for a finishing move, your enemy will carve out your insides.

so in the end, just another hate post.

Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  User Deleted
12/12/13 5:34:59 PM#45
I agree, the animations are noticeably bad, which is a shame because the models and art are fantastic. Spell effects are also lacklustre.
  Sovrath

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12/12/13 5:42:53 PM#46
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

You cant get squat tested in a 3 Day Beta Weekend. Thats not a Beta Test, its a Pre-Release Preview for Marketing purposes.

I seem to remember all the marketing beta tests were the tessts lasting longer than a weekend and the "let's get feedback. stress test and find bugs" tests lasting a weekend.

Given the amount of bugs/feedback that "I" personally gave I can tell you that you are incorrect.

As well as answering their questionnaire and giving a completely separate e-mail with additional thoughts that gave me a response from them.

This is not a commentary on the game or how "good it is" but a commentary on their beta test actually being a beta test.

 

  Reklaw

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12/12/13 5:53:10 PM#47

Judge what the game will have instead of trying to come up with things the game might not have.

Have we really sunk this low with topics like this.

  Asheram

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12/12/13 6:04:55 PM#48
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Oh yippy another doom and gloom post about ESO.  Boy does misery love company on this site.   

+1

I enjoyed my time in the beta enough to want to make the purchase and pay a sub to play it. It's been 3-4 years since I played a sub based game or even wanted too.

  Denambren

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OP  12/12/13 6:58:29 PM#49
Originally posted by killahh

took me a bit tofigure out your babble, but i get it now.

 

 your talking about the slow motion  finishing moves in the single player game.

 the amount of time the slow motion is going to take for a finishing move, your enemy will carve out your insides.

so in the end, just another hate post.

Um.. no. I am not referring to slow motion, although the amount of people now that are starting to interpret motion capture as slow-mo is making me realize the futility of persisting in its discussion on these forums.

 

  killahh

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12/12/13 7:26:30 PM#50
Originally posted by Denambren
Originally posted by killahh

took me a bit tofigure out your babble, but i get it now.

 

 your talking about the slow motion  finishing moves in the single player game.

 the amount of time the slow motion is going to take for a finishing move, your enemy will carve out your insides.

so in the end, just another hate post.

Um.. no. I am not referring to slow motion, although the amount of people now that are starting to interpret motion capture as slow-mo is making me realize the futility of persisting in its discussion on these forums.

 

please enlighten me then, no offense

Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  cpupower

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12/12/13 8:04:08 PM#51
I'm going to make this simple for what it's worth. I beta tested ESO and currently testing Wildstar. I must say I had more fun playing ESO than Wildstar, although Wildstar was more polished at its current state of development. I was really surprised how much I liked ESO considering I'm not an Elder Scrolls fan, do to its sand box style gameplay. However I'm a big WoW fan therefore I thought Wilstar was going to be right up my alley. Note: Wildstar is a Great game, I just had more fun with ESO, for what its worth.
  Darkcrystal

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12/12/13 8:18:06 PM#52
Originally posted by Denambren

In every ESO video that has been released, we have yet to see motion capture incorporated into any of the animations. How can this be? Skyrim had such beautiful animation with mo-cap. The animation in ESO is an embarrassment in comparison. 

 

There have been plenty of negative prophecies made by plenty of people about plenty of upcoming MMOs, but ESO looks like it may be setting the hugest scale of disappointment yet. I get the feeling that with a release date now set for April 4th 2014, this game has completely given up on being a success and is just cutting losses.

 

My sympathies go out to everyone who expected something from this game. With luck, the game will be so bad that it becomes a comical cultural reference. And then the Elder Scrolls franchise can continue its tradition of bringing humor to the internet.

Are you gamers ever happy ever, I will make a company right now and get millions to make it, and make it like you people want, I bet you find a reason to whine about something, I see this today more then ever with every game on this site, please quit playing  MMO's. Please for the love of God.!!

  onlinenow25

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12/12/13 9:27:59 PM#53
Originally posted by cpupower
I'm going to make this simple for what it's worth. I beta tested ESO and currently testing Wildstar. I must say I had more fun playing ESO than Wildstar, although Wildstar was more polished at its current state of development. I was really surprised how much I liked ESO considering I'm not an Elder Scrolls fan, do to its sand box style gameplay. However I'm a big WoW fan therefore I thought Wilstar was going to be right up my alley. Note: Wildstar is a Great game, I just had more fun with ESO, for what its worth.

Actually the funny part about TES games is that they are all heavily themeparked type games.

 

They are heavily quest focused.  The biggest appeal to the series ins't it being a true sandbox, but the freedom the game allows you to have.  Most of what can be done in the game can be done at different times, but the basic story, and most of the quest arcs in it require a specific progression to them.  You can't become a Warewolf in Skyrim unless you go through that quest arc.  The freedom lies in how you get to the objectives, because the quest arcs that contain a story are still as linear as they come and depending on your specific goals are extremely linear.  Such as killing specific quest givers to essentially 'ruin' the story, but all that really does is halt game progress and force you to start over, or reload your previous save.

 

But again this needs to be stressed, the appeal and the 'sandbox' reference to the game is the ability to do what you want in the confines of the game.  The 'sandbox' comes from creating your own specific goals in the game because the game allows it, but over all the developed focus on the stories and such are still very linear, the game just allows for a player to come up with their own ideas on how to shape the world with different characters.  (Reminds me of building characters in D2)  

 

Hopefully this makes sense, anything that needs clarifying please let me know and hopefully Ill be able to clarify it.

EDIT: Forgot the whole point of the information above, the reason why you liked ESO is specifically because its a Themepark Game.

  onlinenow25

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12/12/13 9:40:26 PM#54
Originally posted by Darkcrystal
Originally posted by Denambren

In every ESO video that has been released, we have yet to see motion capture incorporated into any of the animations. How can this be? Skyrim had such beautiful animation with mo-cap. The animation in ESO is an embarrassment in comparison. 

 

There have been plenty of negative prophecies made by plenty of people about plenty of upcoming MMOs, but ESO looks like it may be setting the hugest scale of disappointment yet. I get the feeling that with a release date now set for April 4th 2014, this game has completely given up on being a success and is just cutting losses.

 

My sympathies go out to everyone who expected something from this game. With luck, the game will be so bad that it becomes a comical cultural reference. And then the Elder Scrolls franchise can continue its tradition of bringing humor to the internet.

Are you gamers ever happy ever, I will make a company right now and get millions to make it, and make it like you people want, I bet you find a reason to whine about something, I see this today more then ever with every game on this site, please quit playing  MMO's. Please for the love of God.!!

You are suffering from the same thing people that watch a lot of news here do in the US.

 

You think crime is going up, or dissatisfaction in games is high, but reality is completely different from what your limited perspective is showing.  You are suffering from only seeing a small minority of examples and are not taking into account the actual amount of gamers total in the world that are satisfied with their current games.

 

Crime in the US as a nation is actually lowering which is contrary to popular belief due to news stations, and news papers.

 

So based on a few things, such as your personal definition of dissatisfaction, or your misinterpretation of someone expressing their feelings or thoughts on a game as dissatisfaction, and your limited view of peoples forum posts you are making a very heavy sweeping generalization about gamer's as a whole being more and more dissatisfied with games which is false.

 

Customer complaints are some of the most important things for a company to look at.  It shows that the customers really care about their product, and is willing to spend their own time to help improve the product for FREE.  The only reason its not payed attention to as much as it was in the past is because AAA companies don't need to listen anymore.

  Denambren

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OP  12/12/13 9:53:01 PM#55
Originally posted by killahh
Originally posted by Denambren
Originally posted by killahh

took me a bit tofigure out your babble, but i get it now.

 

 your talking about the slow motion  finishing moves in the single player game.

 the amount of time the slow motion is going to take for a finishing move, your enemy will carve out your insides.

so in the end, just another hate post.

Um.. no. I am not referring to slow motion, although the amount of people now that are starting to interpret motion capture as slow-mo is making me realize the futility of persisting in its discussion on these forums.

 

please enlighten me then, no offense

Thanks for taking an interest.

 

For anyone who also isn't familiar with what motion capture is, you can find a basic introduction with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm-A1lknrxE

  killahh

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12/12/13 9:56:56 PM#56
Originally posted by evilized
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Oh yippy another doom and gloom post about ESO.  Boy does misery love company on this site.   

Did you ever consider that nobody has anything nice to say about the game because… well, there's nothing nice to say? if you think this site is filled with criticism you should have seen the beta forums during the last event.

i call BS.

nothing is as bad as the vitrolic on these forums, and everyone i know in the beta likes what they see for the mosty part, though not everything is roses, yet.:)

Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  Nevulus

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12/12/13 10:06:14 PM#57

I agree with the OP. I mean really? Look what else I found out below about ESO development!

Ok one of the programmers for ESO DOESNT USE A WIRELESS MOUSE!! I MEAN REALLY?

No wireless mouse in ESO  development? Really?

I knew this game was going to suck. I mean you can't possibly run thru lines of code with the precise precision and superb quality of today's wireless mice. This is preposterous. This is a complete travesty! This game is now doomed to fail horribly like everyone knew it would including me myself and I. I mean no wireless mouse in this day and age??!?!

I hear that they had wireless mouse when they developed TABULA RASA! EXACTLY! No wireless mouse = EPIC FAIL

  Axxar

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12/13/13 2:20:34 AM#58
Lol, nevulus. They also have two screens, mouses and keyboards to the same computer. If they can't even count, how do they expect to make a halfway decent game?!

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  cybersrs

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12/13/13 6:30:41 AM#59
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Originally posted by Kayo45
lol, good! Mocap is b/s and costs good animator jobs.

Plus this isnt a sports game, mocap isnt necessary. Especially if you hire good animators that know all the principles as well as how to execute them. I dont think any MMO uses mocap. None that I can think of anyway, either way its definitely not common practice.

Age of Conan and Age of Wushu has motion capture written all over it.

 

That was amazing. really realist. Every game/MMO should use it.

  Dren_Utogi

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12/13/13 6:38:25 AM#60
motion capture linmited animation choices, To only have the movements from a humans biody perspective is kind of dumb for races that are , well, not human.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

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