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  Velocinox

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12/12/13 3:36:44 PM#41

Sometimes the best thing for the land is for a lightning bolt to come down and strike that old forest that has been standing for decades darkening the forest floor and preventing new saplings from springing up. Sometimes it's just better to let the forest burn.

Think of it this way, When the FPS was born the RPG died, but when it finally came back we got Fallout and Baldur's Gate, and out of the ashes of the ET Atari game, we got the NES and all the great games that have led up to this stagnation. If you compare the terms of popularity from the first console boom to the (current) second, the length of life was increased by an order of magnitude.

If we were to allow the current game industry crash to unfold naturally, the resultant comeback after years of creative minds with nothing to make and eager gamers with nothing to play would be nothing less than a complete transformation.

I say embrace the indies, turn your back on the triple As and watch the greatness unfold...

 

And just for the record, 60-80 hours a week during crunch?!? I once had three months of 18-20 hour days with no days off for a 're-imagining' of a game we knew the players would hate. It's shockingly difficult to be creative after 13 120+ hour weeks in a row.

 

 

'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.


No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than the one you've become familiar with.


How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.

  dave6660

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12/12/13 3:45:01 PM#42
Originally posted by avalon1000
I got news for you. The whole world is heading full steam to a crash. The gaming industry is small potatoes.

I've been hearing that for over 30 years.  When I was kid the doomsday talking point was "Peak Oil".  We've gone through a few others since then.  Somehow we're all still here using the internet no less.

 

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  DMKano

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12/12/13 3:49:30 PM#43
Originally posted by avalon1000
I got news for you. The whole world is heading full steam to a crash. The gaming industry is small potatoes.

It's no big deal, we are not important.

We only think we are - but our entire existance is not even a picosecond in universal time.

And in terms of multiverse, we don't even register.

Humanity - we're a non factor.

The universe goes on without us just fine.

  Gdemami

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12/12/13 3:55:27 PM#44


Originally posted by DMKano
Then what does the board of directors do, play with their thumbs?

CEO can't do any major decisions or strategy without the boards approval, so who is really in control?

 


Board only oversee, you could say that CEO is responsible to the board, it is still CEO to make the decisions tho.

Please stop, you have absolutely no clue what you talk about.


Making games is a business, not a hobby.

  Nadia

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12/12/13 4:10:40 PM#45
Originally posted by DMKano

in terms of multiverse, we don't even register.

unless playing games!

http://sentinelsofthemultiverse.com/gameplay

 

  Sovrath

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12/12/13 4:13:49 PM#46
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by bcbully

Big budgets huh. What if a company came out and said something like, "We feel mmorpg budgets are out of control, and haven't produced a better product. For our next project, we're setting a budget of 15 million. We believe..." Hmm.

Only one small problem with that idea: gamers will expect them to produce a game bigger and better than GTA V with that 15 million...

This.

How many times have we seen some indy designer post screen shots only to have some of the "kinder" criticisms be something like "that's so 1990's"

I sometimes get the sense that some gamers want a "new, forward thinking mmo what has all the features of their favorite old school mmo, made on a much smaller budget by gamer developers who aren't 'in it' for the money but for the love of it. The game must have amazing graphics and not skimp on features."

And it must be "f2p and allow every one to be able to access all the game without paying a dime only making money on cosmetic items."

  Tamanous

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12/12/13 4:14:13 PM#47

I personally thought it was extremely clear already that the industry on many levels is crashing ... and I still think this is a very good thing.

You stay sassy!

  User Deleted
12/12/13 4:24:08 PM#48

Hater fodder. Funny though.

  DamonVile

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12/12/13 4:25:38 PM#49
Originally posted by Foomerang

Hater fodder. Funny though.

It really is just that.

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  LeGrosGamer

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12/12/13 4:28:10 PM#50

It's a nice read and pretty much sums up what I've been saying for years.  Since when did MMORPG's needed to have 3D graphics over game play?   a few hundred million dollars for SWTOR, such a waste.   That's why indie Devs are going to raise the roof in the coming years.  People are slowly waking up and taking their heads out of their butts and are actually sitting out pre orders.   The last pre order I've done was FF14, which was great at first, but once the story line is done, the game itself is pretty much crap. Sorry for the spoiler, but for those who didn't try FF14, don't bother. It does have the best story line I have ever seen, makes you want to hear and read every detail. But once you're done with the story, it's grind-O-mania all over again.

  It's sad that these big time Pubs / Devs are releasing their titles ASAP and ditching out annoying bugs.  If you look on the other side with indie Devs, they're taking their sweet ass times perfecting a game that will end up being GREAT once launched.  And I've backed 2 projects up to now from KickStarter : GrimDawn and Novus Aeterno. 

   Indie is the future of online gaming, and it will happen a lot sooner then everyone expect it to be.   So no I won't be trying out the over hyped TESO.   The only way TESO will do good is if they tone down on graphics, because not everyone have a 3K$ rig to play this without any issues.  Bet nobody thought about the system reqs for TESO yet uh?  All busy pissing yourselves on a Elder Scrolls online, but fail to see how problematic it will be when 2 people join the session and the game starts lagging like hell.    Yeah, keep praising it, it'll burn like the rest of the MMO titles.

  Torvaldr

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12/12/13 5:00:52 PM#51
Originally posted by Nadia

to clarify:

i find no fault w Cracked authors criticism of gaming

but i strongly disagree it's leading to a videogame slump

Deleted some of the post for the sake of space.

I don't think he's advocating a slump as much as a potential crash or shakeup of the status quo. A slump would result from disinterest, but a crash could result from untenable circumstances. I think he presents the latter.

He doesn't take into account some factors like new blood coming in searching for development rock-stardom; the premise that gamers will throw their money at anything and everything, especially if it's new; and the broadening market having lower standards about gaming complexity and depth.

I do think he hit the mark fairly spot on with many of his points. The ingratiating reviewer hoping to get their site or magazine plastered on the game site - obviously an indirect revenue source. I think this site is occasionally guilty of that, although it's hard to condemn that because if they don't they could fade into irrelevance - gamers are fickle and like shinies.

I don't think it's going to be an '83 crash, but I do think the current situation isn't sustainable in its present form. He's not alone in that opinion. It seems to pervade some veterans of the industry. I got that impression from Marc Jacobs, from the folks at inXile, and the recent AMA with Raph Koster.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Torvaldr

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12/12/13 5:20:59 PM#52
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Foomerang

Hater fodder. Funny though.

It really is just that.

KInd of. There is some truth in there. I don't think the current environment is sustainable long term. There will be changes, not just from normal evolution, but because of that unsustainability. However, I don't think there will be a crash. Humans are incredibly adaptable. Things might get shaken up a bit, but KS and indie movements from vets like inXile show that not everyone is going to take the status quo lying down or accept that others dictate their fate. That would be most un-gamer of them to do so. :p

Curse you AquaScum!

  DamonVile

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12/12/13 5:39:08 PM#53
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Foomerang

Hater fodder. Funny though.

It really is just that.

KInd of. There is some truth in there. I don't think the current environment is sustainable long term. There will be changes, not just from normal evolution, but because of that unsustainability. However, I don't think there will be a crash. Humans are incredibly adaptable. Things might get shaken up a bit, but KS and indie movements from vets like inXile show that not everyone is going to take the status quo lying down or accept that others dictate their fate. That would be most un-gamer of them to do so. :p

Gaming isn't the type of industry that "crashes" Big companies can come and go but people's want for new games and this whole section of entertainment will see to it that as some fall others will rise. A crash implies there will be a time where the industry can't sustain itself. The only way that could happen is if gamers stop paying. If someone honestly thinks that's going to happen, they have no idea what they're talking about. Much like, some of the people on this site.... As some burn out and fade away they think the industry will burn out with them, but there is always a new generation that eats up all those things that have been done before, because it's new to them.

 

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  lizardbones

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OP  12/12/13 6:21:37 PM#54


Originally posted by DamonVile

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by DamonVile

Originally posted by Foomerang Hater fodder. Funny though.
It really is just that.
KInd of. There is some truth in there. I don't think the current environment is sustainable long term. There will be changes, not just from normal evolution, but because of that unsustainability. However, I don't think there will be a crash. Humans are incredibly adaptable. Things might get shaken up a bit, but KS and indie movements from vets like inXile show that not everyone is going to take the status quo lying down or accept that others dictate their fate. That would be most un-gamer of them to do so. :p
Gaming isn't the type of industry that "crashes" Big companies can come and go but people's want for new games and this whole section of entertainment will see to it that as some fall others will rise. A crash implies there will be a time where the industry can't sustain itself. The only way that could happen is if gamers stop paying. If someone honestly thinks that's going to happen, they have no idea what they're talking about. Much like, some of the people on this site.... As some burn out and fade away they think the industry will burn out with them, but there is always a new generation that eats up all those things that have been done before, because it's new to them.

 




Any industry can crash. For example, the "Dot Com Bubble" that popped, and the "Housing Bubble" that burst, and finally, the video game industry bubble of 1983 that went pop. It's entirely possible for an industry to spend so much money on producing products that people don't buy that the businesses within the industry have to shutdown.

I'm not so sure the gaming industry is actually going to do that, but to say it can't happen is a bit naive.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  DamonVile

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12/12/13 6:50:45 PM#55
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by DamonVile
 
Gaming isn't the type of industry that "crashes" Big companies can come and go but people's want for new games and this whole section of entertainment will see to it that as some fall others will rise. A crash implies there will be a time where the industry can't sustain itself. The only way that could happen is if gamers stop paying. If someone honestly thinks that's going to happen, they have no idea what they're talking about. Much like, some of the people on this site.... As some burn out and fade away they think the industry will burn out with them, but there is always a new generation that eats up all those things that have been done before, because it's new to them.

 

 




Any industry can crash. For example, the "Dot Com Bubble" that popped, and the "Housing Bubble" that burst, and finally, the video game industry bubble of 1983 that went pop. It's entirely possible for an industry to spend so much money on producing products that people don't buy that the businesses within the industry have to shutdown.

I'm not so sure the gaming industry is actually going to do that, but to say it can't happen is a bit naive.

 

1983 and 2013 are not the same industries. A few companies making games for a few thousand people isn't very stable. Thousands of companies making games for hundreds of millions of people is an apple to an orange. The dot com bubble is the same situation as the 1983 game industry. It was new, exploded and then crashed. Those examples don't represent what the gaming industry is right now.

Professional sports is an industry that is in much the same position as video games are. It could happen, that one of the big games "crashes" but all teams in all sports are not going to crash and sports as a whole is just put on hold. Fans will watch something. When Hokey went on strike fans started to watch other sports and junior hokey became very popular. When the strike ended, the game picked up and went back to "normal" pretty fast. 

Unlike the housing bubble, games are not government regulated and the money isn't all coming from one source that all has the same rules. If EA went down tomorrow ( we can only hope :P ) gamers would just move to other games. Game companies don't all follow the same payment models any more and don't all up prices at the same rates. 

The only way an industry like online gaming could "crash" is if something like blockbuster/movie rentals happened to it. A very sudden shift in what or how people played them. 

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  strangepowers

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12/12/13 7:31:48 PM#56

Funny stuff, thanks for reminding me of Cracked in general. I used to read that growing up along with Mad!

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  lizardbones

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OP  12/12/13 9:34:08 PM#57


Originally posted by DamonVile

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by DamonVile

 
Gaming isn't the type of industry that "crashes" Big companies can come and go but people's want for new games and this whole section of entertainment will see to it that as some fall others will rise. A crash implies there will be a time where the industry can't sustain itself. The only way that could happen is if gamers stop paying. If someone honestly thinks that's going to happen, they have no idea what they're talking about. Much like, some of the people on this site.... As some burn out and fade away they think the industry will burn out with them, but there is always a new generation that eats up all those things that have been done before, because it's new to them.    
Any industry can crash. For example, the "Dot Com Bubble" that popped, and the "Housing Bubble" that burst, and finally, the video game industry bubble of 1983 that went pop. It's entirely possible for an industry to spend so much money on producing products that people don't buy that the businesses within the industry have to shutdown. I'm not so sure the gaming industry is actually going to do that, but to say it can't happen is a bit naive.  
1983 and 2013 are not the same industries. A few companies making games for a few thousand people isn't very stable. Thousands of companies making games for hundreds of millions of people is an apple to an orange. The dot com bubble is the same situation as the 1983 game industry. It was new, exploded and then crashed. Those examples don't represent what the gaming industry is right now.

Professional sports is an industry that is in much the same position as video games are. It could happen, that one of the big games "crashes" but all teams in all sports are not going to crash and sports as a whole is just put on hold. Fans will watch something. When Hokey went on strike fans started to watch other sports and junior hokey became very popular. When the strike ended, the game picked up and went back to "normal" pretty fast. 

Unlike the housing bubble, games are not government regulated and the money isn't all coming from one source that all has the same rules. If EA went down tomorrow ( we can only hope :P ) gamers would just move to other games. Game companies don't all follow the same payment models any more and don't all up prices at the same rates. 

The only way an industry like online gaming could "crash" is if something like blockbuster/movie rentals happened to it. A very sudden shift in what or how people played them. 




Markets, especially "free" markets are inherently unstable. They have to be in order to response to changes. There doesn't exist a market that can't crash. It is inevitable. The only question is when.

You might have the wrong impression of the word "Crash" as it's being used here though. "Crash" doesn't mean disappear. The housing market didn't disappear and the gaming market didn't disappear in 1983. It just means that a lot of the financial transactions would stop for awhile, and some of the bigger companies would not survive.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

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