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  TheRealDarkeus

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Joined: 6/26/13
Posts: 288

“I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

12/12/13 9:35:48 AM#81

Lol, guys we all know.  Even if you are a preferred player, the game constantly bashes you over the head to subscribe.  So telling him to pay the five bucks to do that is pretty much in vain.  The game still reminds you that you are a lowly F2P playyer and you need to sub....

 

I mean, the game is alright but eh....

  simplius

Novice Member

Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

12/12/13 11:38:18 AM#82
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Erm, what did they lose actually? A customer that is not willing to pay? That isn't a loss, it is a relieve of bandwidth and services.

 

that bandwith is much needed as the engine can't run with >10 players in the same place lol.

Yeah, EA are clearly the winners here, saving bandwith with driving all players out of their game.

 

All players haha yeah tell that to the million playing every month.  Can't run more then 10 players haha how do people run all these 16man Ops?!?  EA is making a profit on Swtor cause it got rid of the likes of you so yes ea is the winner here.  

yup..they won two golden poohs now, and  are heading straight for the third

they won so hard, that they fired their CEO, and their stocks dropped

the World isnt ready for so much win, thats why, we fear them

 

Oh after a little research I know you don't like facts or current facts but right now ea stock is at $22.  If it closes above $20 at years end it will be the highest end of year price since 2008 maybe longer my information didn't go back further.  So what were you saying about a stock drop?  Yep just another ridiculous claim by you proven wrong. 

did swtor launch TODAY?

of course , it still has impact on stock prices, but nowhere near the level, it had at launch

 i wasnt specific, i know, but i was talking about  launch time

and the recovery? all swtors doing...nothing about a new CEO, and a deal with all future SW games

 

  Kicksave321

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/26/13
Posts: 309

12/12/13 11:46:19 AM#83
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Erm, what did they lose actually? A customer that is not willing to pay? That isn't a loss, it is a relieve of bandwidth and services.

 

that bandwith is much needed as the engine can't run with >10 players in the same place lol.

Yeah, EA are clearly the winners here, saving bandwith with driving all players out of their game.

 

All players haha yeah tell that to the million playing every month.  Can't run more then 10 players haha how do people run all these 16man Ops?!?  EA is making a profit on Swtor cause it got rid of the likes of you so yes ea is the winner here.  

yup..they won two golden poohs now, and  are heading straight for the third

they won so hard, that they fired their CEO, and their stocks dropped

the World isnt ready for so much win, thats why, we fear them

 

Oh after a little research I know you don't like facts or current facts but right now ea stock is at $22.  If it closes above $20 at years end it will be the highest end of year price since 2008 maybe longer my information didn't go back further.  So what were you saying about a stock drop?  Yep just another ridiculous claim by you proven wrong. 

did swtor launch TODAY?

of course , it still has impact on stock prices, but nowhere near the level, it had at launch

 i wasnt specific, i know, but i was talking about  launch time

and the recovery? all swtors doing...nothing about a new CEO, and a deal with all future SW games

 

Haha hmm imagine that you thinking about launch time go figure...

nope I didn't say it was all Swtor doing I left that open as to say if it's drop was Swtor fault then it's recovery must be too.  

 

  Arclan

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 1/29/07
Posts: 1443

"Ideas are worthless. The only currency that holds any weight is the ability and drive to execute."

12/12/13 3:16:58 PM#84

OP that sucks for sure. I loathe deceptive pricing models which are subject-to-change. I.e., F2P. I refuse to play any game which utilizes it. If EQN does not have any subscription servers, I will be skipping that one just like I skipped Planetside 2 (I was a loyal Planetside 1 player for years).

Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
video game company layoffs are twice the national average.

  lizardbones

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10953

I think with my heart and move with my head.-Kongos

12/12/13 3:21:44 PM#85


Originally posted by Vunak23

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Vutar F2P is the way of the future. Isn't it awesome? Being nickle and dimed to death is wonderful. So much better than those crazy sub games that just include all that stuff for a flat fee.
People similar to you, complained about subscription costs until F2P was brought in to replace it.  Everyone got what they asked for, unfortunately.  What they really meant to say is that they expect game companies to make games for free.  Because, you know, that makes sense for a business plan.
Nobody complained about subscription costs with SWTOR.... That was EA making false claims as to why their game was dying at an alarming rate. People stopped playing SWTOR because it was terrible once you got through your first story character. Operations were broken. The PvP gearing system was asinine, and Illum was a joke. 



Except EA is the one with access to the exit interviews of players who left the game, and more players now than they've had since a month or two after the game released. And you have what to support your assertion?

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  WikileaksEU

Novice Member

Joined: 9/22/13
Posts: 104

12/12/13 3:38:05 PM#86
You can pay for a subscription and everything is unlocked.
  cnutemp

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/01/12
Posts: 239

12/12/13 3:42:11 PM#87
Can you just get around that by buying a sub?
  lizardbones

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10953

I think with my heart and move with my head.-Kongos

12/12/13 3:43:29 PM#88


Originally posted by cnutemp
Can you just get around that by buying a sub?


Anyone who buys a sub now gets more stuff than I got when I had a sub just after the game's release.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  h0urg1ass

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/29/05
Posts: 308

12/12/13 3:50:41 PM#89

I quit before F2P was introduced and I recently downloaded the game again to try out the Galactic Starfighter expansion (if you can call one game mode and two maps an expansion... lol).

This is the most nickel and dime F2P title I have ever encountered and I play several F2P games, two of which have great F2P models; World of Tanks and Planetside 2.

Free to Play, when done right, gives players incentives to subscribe.  You halve the amount of XP they gain as Free to Play and restrict most end game raids to subscribers / pass holders.  That's pretty much the only things you need to do.  The vast majority of players will sub up just for the "double xp".  The rest will sub up to be able to participate in end game content.

EA/Titanicware have gone a completely different route.  Their free to play model feels antagonistic.  As if they are pissed off  at us, the players, that their game wasn't the WoW killer they boldly proclaimed it would be before launch.  They are the proverbial school bully.  Every time you round a corner and go to do something the school bully is there to slap you a few times and then take your lunch money.

Oh yeah, you can have titles in this game!  Let me just select one here...

*POOF!  Titanicware jerkwad appears*  "Pay up first, you little shithead".  

"But... but, I just wanted to display a title that I earned a year ago beside my na.... "  

*SMACK*  

"SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH KID AND PAY UP OR I'LL PUT A TITLE NEXT TO YOUR NAME THAT YOU REALLY WON'T LIKE!!"

  BadOrb

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/11/13
Posts: 778

12/12/13 4:47:02 PM#90
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

I quit before F2P was introduced and I recently downloaded the game again to try out the Galactic Starfighter expansion (if you can call one game mode and two maps an expansion... lol).

This is the most nickel and dime F2P title I have ever encountered and I play several F2P games, two of which have great F2P models; World of Tanks and Planetside 2.

Free to Play, when done right, gives players incentives to subscribe.  You halve the amount of XP they gain as Free to Play and restrict most end game raids to subscribers / pass holders.  That's pretty much the only things you need to do.  The vast majority of players will sub up just for the "double xp".  The rest will sub up to be able to participate in end game content.

EA/Titanicware have gone a completely different route.  Their free to play model feels antagonistic.  As if they are pissed off  at us, the players, that their game wasn't the WoW killer they boldly proclaimed it would be before launch.  They are the proverbial school bully.  Every time you round a corner and go to do something the school bully is there to slap you a few times and then take your lunch money.

Oh yeah, you can have titles in this game!  Let me just select one here...

*POOF!  Titanicware jerkwad appears*  "Pay up first, you little shithead".  

"But... but, I just wanted to display a title that I earned a year ago beside my na.... "  

*SMACK*  

"SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH KID AND PAY UP OR I'LL PUT A TITLE NEXT TO YOUR NAME THAT YOU REALLY WON'T LIKE!!"

Something seems fishy here so before we conclude that something is or not when did  you subscribe to get early access for Galactic Starfighter ?

Cheers,

BadOrb.

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
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  zasten

Novice Member

Joined: 5/01/13
Posts: 287

12/12/13 4:56:05 PM#91

I read this forums posts on this game a few months ago and decided to avoid this game. I am lacking any desire to pay over and over for something that should be included by default. There are several of these cash grabbing games out there, none of which will ever get any of my money.

Such a shame because if they were not so greedy I would happily pay to play if the game was good enough!

  h0urg1ass

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/29/05
Posts: 308

12/12/13 6:54:25 PM#92
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

I quit before F2P was introduced and I recently downloaded the game again to try out the Galactic Starfighter expansion (if you can call one game mode and two maps an expansion... lol).

This is the most nickel and dime F2P title I have ever encountered and I play several F2P games, two of which have great F2P models; World of Tanks and Planetside 2.

Free to Play, when done right, gives players incentives to subscribe.  You halve the amount of XP they gain as Free to Play and restrict most end game raids to subscribers / pass holders.  That's pretty much the only things you need to do.  The vast majority of players will sub up just for the "double xp".  The rest will sub up to be able to participate in end game content.

EA/Titanicware have gone a completely different route.  Their free to play model feels antagonistic.  As if they are pissed off  at us, the players, that their game wasn't the WoW killer they boldly proclaimed it would be before launch.  They are the proverbial school bully.  Every time you round a corner and go to do something the school bully is there to slap you a few times and then take your lunch money.

Oh yeah, you can have titles in this game!  Let me just select one here...

*POOF!  Titanicware jerkwad appears*  "Pay up first, you little shithead".  

"But... but, I just wanted to display a title that I earned a year ago beside my na.... "  

*SMACK*  

"SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH KID AND PAY UP OR I'LL PUT A TITLE NEXT TO YOUR NAME THAT YOU REALLY WON'T LIKE!!"

Something seems fishy here so before we conclude that something is or not when did  you subscribe to get early access for Galactic Starfighter ?

Cheers,

BadOrb.

Oh I'm sorry.

You thought I answer to you.

  simplius

Novice Member

Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

12/13/13 10:22:47 AM#93
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Erm, what did they lose actually? A customer that is not willing to pay? That isn't a loss, it is a relieve of bandwidth and services.

 

that bandwith is much needed as the engine can't run with >10 players in the same place lol.

Yeah, EA are clearly the winners here, saving bandwith with driving all players out of their game.

 

All players haha yeah tell that to the million playing every month.  Can't run more then 10 players haha how do people run all these 16man Ops?!?  EA is making a profit on Swtor cause it got rid of the likes of you so yes ea is the winner here.  

yup..they won two golden poohs now, and  are heading straight for the third

they won so hard, that they fired their CEO, and their stocks dropped

the World isnt ready for so much win, thats why, we fear them

 

Oh after a little research I know you don't like facts or current facts but right now ea stock is at $22.  If it closes above $20 at years end it will be the highest end of year price since 2008 maybe longer my information didn't go back further.  So what were you saying about a stock drop?  Yep just another ridiculous claim by you proven wrong. 

did swtor launch TODAY?

of course , it still has impact on stock prices, but nowhere near the level, it had at launch

 i wasnt specific, i know, but i was talking about  launch time

and the recovery? all swtors doing...nothing about a new CEO, and a deal with all future SW games

 

Haha hmm imagine that you thinking about launch time go figure...

nope I didn't say it was all Swtor doing I left that open as to say if it's drop was Swtor fault then it's recovery must be too.  

 

swtor is recovering? link for proof

  Kicksave321

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/26/13
Posts: 309

12/13/13 10:36:25 AM#94
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Erm, what did they lose actually? A customer that is not willing to pay? That isn't a loss, it is a relieve of bandwidth and services.

 

that bandwith is much needed as the engine can't run with >10 players in the same place lol.

Yeah, EA are clearly the winners here, saving bandwith with driving all players out of their game.

 

All players haha yeah tell that to the million playing every month.  Can't run more then 10 players haha how do people run all these 16man Ops?!?  EA is making a profit on Swtor cause it got rid of the likes of you so yes ea is the winner here.  

yup..they won two golden poohs now, and  are heading straight for the third

they won so hard, that they fired their CEO, and their stocks dropped

the World isnt ready for so much win, thats why, we fear them

 

Oh after a little research I know you don't like facts or current facts but right now ea stock is at $22.  If it closes above $20 at years end it will be the highest end of year price since 2008 maybe longer my information didn't go back further.  So what were you saying about a stock drop?  Yep just another ridiculous claim by you proven wrong. 

did swtor launch TODAY?

of course , it still has impact on stock prices, but nowhere near the level, it had at launch

 i wasnt specific, i know, but i was talking about  launch time

and the recovery? all swtors doing...nothing about a new CEO, and a deal with all future SW games

 

Haha hmm imagine that you thinking about launch time go figure...

nope I didn't say it was all Swtor doing I left that open as to say if it's drop was Swtor fault then it's recovery must be too.  

 

swtor is recovering? link for proof

Oh your funny.  Go to the Swtor page or your history and click on the thread about how the extended sw license.  In there you will find links to how Swtor has a million player a month and making a profit.  So yes Swtor has recovered and is currently a healthy game.  I guess it very possible that even though you commented that thread and every other Swtor thread you seem to miss every time someone talks about the current game cause you fixated on launch or had or used too.  

  apocoluster

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Joined: 4/15/07
Posts: 1305

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12/13/13 12:13:17 PM#95
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Erm, what did they lose actually? A customer that is not willing to pay? That isn't a loss, it is a relieve of bandwidth and services.

 

that bandwith is much needed as the engine can't run with >10 players in the same place lol.

Yeah, EA are clearly the winners here, saving bandwith with driving all players out of their game.

 

All players haha yeah tell that to the million playing every month.  Can't run more then 10 players haha how do people run all these 16man Ops?!?  EA is making a profit on Swtor cause it got rid of the likes of you so yes ea is the winner here.  

yup..they won two golden poohs now, and  are heading straight for the third

they won so hard, that they fired their CEO, and their stocks dropped

the World isnt ready for so much win, thats why, we fear them

 

Oh after a little research I know you don't like facts or current facts but right now ea stock is at $22.  If it closes above $20 at years end it will be the highest end of year price since 2008 maybe longer my information didn't go back further.  So what were you saying about a stock drop?  Yep just another ridiculous claim by you proven wrong. 

did swtor launch TODAY?

of course , it still has impact on stock prices, but nowhere near the level, it had at launch

 i wasnt specific, i know, but i was talking about  launch time

and the recovery? all swtors doing...nothing about a new CEO, and a deal with all future SW games

 

Haha hmm imagine that you thinking about launch time go figure...

nope I didn't say it was all Swtor doing I left that open as to say if it's drop was Swtor fault then it's recovery must be too.  

 

swtor is recovering? link for proof

Oh your funny.  Go to the Swtor page or your history and click on the thread about how the extended sw license.  In there you will find links to how Swtor has a million player a month and making a profit.  So yes Swtor has recovered and is currently a healthy game.  I guess it very possible that even though you commented that thread and every other Swtor thread you seem to miss every time someone talks about the current game cause you fixated on launch or had or used too.  

Nothing to add here.  I just wanted to make this chain one link bigger. Oh to stay on topic.  Swtor is fun in doses. 

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  BadOrb

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Joined: 1/11/13
Posts: 778

12/13/13 12:17:30 PM#96
Originally posted by h0urg1ass
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

I quit before F2P was introduced and I recently downloaded the game again to try out the Galactic Starfighter expansion (if you can call one game mode and two maps an expansion... lol).

This is the most nickel and dime F2P title I have ever encountered and I play several F2P games, two of which have great F2P models; World of Tanks and Planetside 2.

Free to Play, when done right, gives players incentives to subscribe.  You halve the amount of XP they gain as Free to Play and restrict most end game raids to subscribers / pass holders.  That's pretty much the only things you need to do.  The vast majority of players will sub up just for the "double xp".  The rest will sub up to be able to participate in end game content.

EA/Titanicware have gone a completely different route.  Their free to play model feels antagonistic.  As if they are pissed off  at us, the players, that their game wasn't the WoW killer they boldly proclaimed it would be before launch.  They are the proverbial school bully.  Every time you round a corner and go to do something the school bully is there to slap you a few times and then take your lunch money.

Oh yeah, you can have titles in this game!  Let me just select one here...

*POOF!  Titanicware jerkwad appears*  "Pay up first, you little shithead".  

"But... but, I just wanted to display a title that I earned a year ago beside my na.... "  

*SMACK*  

"SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH KID AND PAY UP OR I'LL PUT A TITLE NEXT TO YOUR NAME THAT YOU REALLY WON'T LIKE!!"

Something seems fishy here so before we conclude that something is or not when did  you subscribe to get early access for Galactic Starfighter ?

Cheers,

BadOrb.

Oh I'm sorry.

You thought I answer to you.

No you only answer to yourself , unless you aren't an adult then you answer to your parents or if you are an adult you answer to your boss etc.

Your first sentence doesn't add up to the rest of your post is all I mean't. So did you try Galactic Starfighter ? If so you wouldn't be F2P by now as you would of had to subscribe before or around the last day of October 2013 , in which case you had to subscribe for 2 months to actually play Galactic Starfighter. So what you actually mean't was you have read about the F2P model and you then commented on it. You see the earliest that you can possibly become F2P ( well actually preferred ) would be the end of this month after the 2 months of subb. So basically I don't believe you , sorry but that's how I see it. It's backed up by the fact you said you left before F2P started.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
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  lizardbones

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10953

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12/13/13 12:24:51 PM#97


Originally posted by apocoluster

Originally posted by Kicksave321

Originally posted by simplius

Originally posted by Kicksave321

Originally posted by simplius

Originally posted by Kicksave321

Originally posted by simplius

Originally posted by Kicksave321

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by Gdemami


  Erm, what did they lose actually? A customer that is not willing to pay? That isn't a loss, it is a relieve of bandwidth and services.  
that bandwith is much needed as the engine can't run with >10 players in the same place lol. Yeah, EA are clearly the winners here, saving bandwith with driving all players out of their game.
  All players haha yeah tell that to the million playing every month.  Can't run more then 10 players haha how do people run all these 16man Ops?!?  EA is making a profit on Swtor cause it got rid of the likes of you so yes ea is the winner here.  
yup..they won two golden poohs now, and  are heading straight for the third they won so hard, that they fired their CEO, and their stocks dropped the World isnt ready for so much win, thats why, we fear them
  Oh after a little research I know you don't like facts or current facts but right now ea stock is at $22.  If it closes above $20 at years end it will be the highest end of year price since 2008 maybe longer my information didn't go back further.  So what were you saying about a stock drop?  Yep just another ridiculous claim by you proven wrong. 
did swtor launch TODAY? of course , it still has impact on stock prices, but nowhere near the level, it had at launch  i wasnt specific, i know, but i was talking about  launch time and the recovery? all swtors doing...nothing about a new CEO, and a deal with all future SW games  
Haha hmm imagine that you thinking about launch time go figure... nope I didn't say it was all Swtor doing I left that open as to say if it's drop was Swtor fault then it's recovery must be too.    
swtor is recovering? link for proof
Oh your funny.  Go to the Swtor page or your history and click on the thread about how the extended sw license.  In there you will find links to how Swtor has a million player a month and making a profit.  So yes Swtor has recovered and is currently a healthy game.  I guess it very possible that even though you commented that thread and every other Swtor thread you seem to miss every time someone talks about the current game cause you fixated on launch or had or used too.  
Nothing to add here.  I just wanted to make this chain one link bigger. Oh to stay on topic.  Swtor is fun in doses. 


Isn't that a violation of the site ToS or something?

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I suppose it's fun in doses.

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  JJ82

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Joined: 12/02/13
Posts: 1102

12/13/13 12:28:43 PM#98
Originally posted by Vutar
F2P is the way of the future. Isn't it awesome? Being nickle and dimed to death is wonderful. So much better than those crazy sub games that just include all that stuff for a flat fee.

This game is not F2P, its Freemium. There is a difference. F2P games do not charge you for UI, nor does it charge you to unlock classes or chat channels. F2P means the entire base game is free and there is no monthly fee option to be special, period. The extras cost money.

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They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  superniceguy

Novice Member

Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2278

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/13/13 12:36:22 PM#99
Originally posted by BadOrb
 you would of had to subscribe before or around the last day of October 2013 , in which case you had to subscribe for 2 months to actually play Galactic Starfighter.

That is not strictly true to play GS, you needed to sub any where from about Nov 4th, which would give you at least Dec 3rd and 4th to try it out, although not sure what would happen if your sub expires after Dec 3rd.  You can sub now and play GS.

The only reason to sub before Nov 1st is to get: Exclusive Gunship "Daring" Paint Jobs with Early Gunship Role Unlock Only available to Subscribers who were also Subscribers on November 1, 2013

  Kicksave321

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/26/13
Posts: 309

12/13/13 12:42:23 PM#100
Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by Vutar
F2P is the way of the future. Isn't it awesome? Being nickle and dimed to death is wonderful. So much better than those crazy sub games that just include all that stuff for a flat fee.

This game is not F2P, its Freemium. There is a difference. F2P games do not charge you for UI, nor does it charge you to unlock classes or chat channels. F2P means the entire base game is free and there is no monthly fee option to be special, period. The extras cost money.

 

Wrong f2p is a business model by which a company allows players to play their base game.  Swtor allows players to play multiple toon from 1-50 completely free.  Swtor is f2p if you choose for it to be. 

Here is a link of a f2p definition for your viewing pleasure.

http://www.techopedia.com/definition/27039/free-to-play-f2p

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