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  PerfArt

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12/11/13 8:55:14 PM#141
Originally posted by evilized
Originally posted by PerfArt

If it flops overall, I will be incredibly stunned. There is almost no way that this won't be at least a moderate success, and it will most likely do far better than many think. This is pure speculation, of course.

if they have any success it will come from the consoles. i doubt the PC crowd will stick around too long. been there, done that kinda deal unfortunately :\

End game keeps people around, especially in a game with an RvR model like TESO's. It remains to be seen whether or not anyone has "been there, done that" in regard to such, as no one has experienced the end game.

That it might see a greater level of relative success on consoles is probably a safe bet, I will agree, however.

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  LeGrosGamer

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12/11/13 9:03:43 PM#142
Originally posted by GPrestige

I've only now started looking into the game, and have noticed something interesting on different forums and even Youtube videos. It seems that there is quite a divide between those who like how the game looks and those who don't. I'm wondering if anyone has a reason why?

Is it a division between MMO players and hardcore TES fans? Does the game have some feature people don't like that I'm not aware of? So far, it looks quite interesting. I can understand the issue some people have with graphics, since TES tends to have realistic graphics for the time it's released - but for an MMO, it's generally understood graphics need to be scaled back due to the gargantuan size of the world and amount of people playing.

 

Anyone have any idea?

You need to stop worrying about forums and what people say.  Let's view on a different angle ; take marvel comics and movies or Harry Potter books Vs the movies.    Now the old timers and those who love reading, will say that the Harry Potter movies were meh while the books were amazing.  The same goes with most Marvel comics Vs Marvel movies.    Time and time again it has been proven that not because something is written and is popular will do great on the big screen or in the case of Elder Scrolls , do great online.  Don't get me wrong, Skyrim is amazing but I'll judge TESO on release. Because in the end no matter how people grade the game, it is I and I alone that will be buying the game for myself and playing it.   

 

  Having been Bethesda, I would of started by doing Skyrim multiplayer where 3-4 people can join and see how it goes, instead of creating a whole new game from scratch, slapping the Elder Scrolls logo on it and watch the mix reactions. But hey, it doesn't really matter what I think anyways.

  killahh

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12/11/13 9:05:28 PM#143
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by evilized
Originally posted by PerfArt

If it flops overall, I will be incredibly stunned. There is almost no way that this won't be at least a moderate success, and it will most likely do far better than many think. This is pure speculation, of course.

if they have any success it will come from the consoles. i doubt the PC crowd will stick around too long. been there, done that kinda deal unfortunately :\

End game keeps people around, especially in a game with an RvR model like TESO's. It remains to be seen whether or not anyone has "been there, done that" in regard to such, as no one has experienced the end game.

That it might see a greater level of relative success on consoles is probably a safe bet, I will agree, however.

the console market for skyrim  was 85-90% bigger than the PC draw, therefore i also believe the console market will skyrocket this game.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/

Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  Blackhound

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12/11/13 9:12:45 PM#144

I might as well make mention, hoping nobody else has yet, that they didn't even get the setting right.

Coldharbour looks nothing like what they have in the MMO. It would immediately get the game an M rating and would make any Warhammer/WH40K fan blush. It's the kind of stuff Slaanesh is timid about.

In the very least they could have got the terrain and skyboxes right, couldn't they have?

From the opening statement that "something felt off" while loading into the game I already was offended at the way the setting was being mistreated.

  killahh

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12/11/13 9:48:22 PM#145
Originally posted by Blackhound

I might as well make mention, hoping nobody else has yet, that they didn't even get the setting right.

Coldharbour looks nothing like what they have in the MMO. It would immediately get the game an M rating and would make any Warhammer/WH40K fan blush. It's the kind of stuff Slaanesh is timid about.

In the very least they could have got the terrain and skyboxes right, couldn't they have?

From the opening statement that "something felt off" while loading into the game I already was offended at the way the setting was being mistreated.

pics..... show me.  :)

 

Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  MaxisDB

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12/11/13 10:17:49 PM#146

I know this is just from some wiki, but it seems that Coldharbour has not been shown in any other games.. 

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Coldharbour

  Sovrath

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12/11/13 11:00:50 PM#147
Originally posted by -aLpHa-

And Bethesda should start hiring people who actually have a clue about making decent animations.

That very well might be true but this is Zenimax.

  Iselin

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12/11/13 11:08:53 PM#148
Originally posted by Blackhound

I might as well make mention, hoping nobody else has yet, that they didn't even get the setting right.

Coldharbour looks nothing like what they have in the MMO. It would immediately get the game an M rating and would make any Warhammer/WH40K fan blush. It's the kind of stuff Slaanesh is timid about.

In the very least they could have got the terrain and skyboxes right, couldn't they have?

From the opening statement that "something felt off" while loading into the game I already was offended at the way the setting was being mistreated.

So... you've actually seen Coldharbour before? Where?

  Dhaenon

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"What came first, the music or the misery?"

12/11/13 11:14:28 PM#149
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

  PerfArt

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12/11/13 11:16:15 PM#150
I think Blackhound is referring to the way it's described in ES lore vs. ZOS's representation of it in ESO (assuming it was part of the beta and he/she has seen it.)

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  Iselin

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12/11/13 11:20:49 PM#151
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

Which TES isn't it? Arena with its classes and spellmaker? or is "it isn't TES" just code for "I love Skyrim and I wanted a co-op version of that"... Seems like there're a lot of Johny-come-lately's who jumped into the series with Skyrim saying it isn't TES when every single TES game has made significant and fundamental changes from the previous installment... just like this one is doing.

 

If you tried  it and didn't like it, that's one thing...but knocking it in the abstract for its TESlesness is just forum posturing.

  PerfArt

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12/11/13 11:22:51 PM#152
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

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  Iselin

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12/11/13 11:26:54 PM#153
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

Great minds and all that :)

  Sleepyfish

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12/12/13 12:52:20 AM#154
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

I played every elder scrolls game from the beginning and every one until maybe Skyrim were just more polished and simplified versions of the last combat wise. Single player psudo crafting with wildly varying power set options. Although they are a little different the intent is largely the same, I cannot say the same for this mmo. Maybe it is because Zenimax is doing it and not Bethesda. 

This is a console friendly freakish GW2 Neverwinter hybrid with 5 "classes" with zerg wars. You wont win a war of semantics with Elder Scrolls fans. 

  PerfArt

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12/12/13 1:13:35 AM#155
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

I played every elder scrolls game from the beginning and every one until maybe Skyrim were just more polished and simplified versions of the last combat wise. Single player psudo crafting with wildly varying power set options. Although they are a little different the intent is largely the same, I cannot say the same for this mmo. Maybe it is because Zenimax is doing it and not Bethesda. 

This is a console friendly freakish GW2 Neverwinter hybrid with 5 "classes" with zerg wars. You wont win a war of semantics with Elder Scrolls fans. 

I am in no way saying that the differences between ESO and previous ES games are not an order of magnitude bigger than between the earlier games themselves. Of course it's very different. It's a different genre of game, and made by a different studio to boot.

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  Iselin

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12/12/13 1:40:05 AM#156
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

I played every elder scrolls game from the beginning and every one until maybe Skyrim were just more polished and simplified versions of the last combat wise. Single player psudo crafting with wildly varying power set options. Although they are a little different the intent is largely the same, I cannot say the same for this mmo. Maybe it is because Zenimax is doing it and not Bethesda. 

This is a console friendly freakish GW2 Neverwinter hybrid with 5 "classes" with zerg wars. You wont win a war of semantics with Elder Scrolls fans. 

Considering Skyrim is the one and only ES game without classes, I find the disparaging comments in this forum about ESO's classes...ummm.... peculiar. 

But then, a lot of users in this forum are console phobic, universal MMO haters who, it seems, prefer e-sport scenario PVP or solo "open world" gang wars  to "zerg" wars... one does have to wonder, considering that this game is the opposite of what they claim to enjoy (if they actually do enjoy anything, that is) why they keep coming back... over and over again.

It's a real head scratcher.

  Sleepyfish

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12/12/13 1:41:21 AM#157
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

I played every elder scrolls game from the beginning and every one until maybe Skyrim were just more polished and simplified versions of the last combat wise. Single player psudo crafting with wildly varying power set options. Although they are a little different the intent is largely the same, I cannot say the same for this mmo. Maybe it is because Zenimax is doing it and not Bethesda. 

This is a console friendly freakish GW2 Neverwinter hybrid with 5 "classes" with zerg wars. You wont win a war of semantics with Elder Scrolls fans. 

I am in no way saying that the differences between ESO and previous ES games are not an order of magnitude bigger than between the earlier games themselves. Of course it's very different. It's a different genre of game, and made by a different studio to boot.

I don't think Elder Scrolls fans are judging ESO just by the mechanics either. They are judging it because they are probably not idiots and know exactly what DAOC and GW2 are. Translating a game over to multi player or an mmo is one thing, reskinning an already done concept is another. 

This is more than just a matter of genre. If I set off to make a space mmorpg based on some other game I will probably not end up with something that looks like RIFT. How do  you take one of the most open ended games in history and decide to use a highly linear, Themepark that essentially herds you into the middle of the map in forced factions? The rails on this thing are just too much a one way street. 

  Sleepyfish

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12/12/13 1:48:31 AM#158
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

I played every elder scrolls game from the beginning and every one until maybe Skyrim were just more polished and simplified versions of the last combat wise. Single player psudo crafting with wildly varying power set options. Although they are a little different the intent is largely the same, I cannot say the same for this mmo. Maybe it is because Zenimax is doing it and not Bethesda. 

This is a console friendly freakish GW2 Neverwinter hybrid with 5 "classes" with zerg wars. You wont win a war of semantics with Elder Scrolls fans. 

Considering Skyrim is the one and only ES game without classes, I find the disparaging comments in this forum about ESO's classes...ummm.... peculiar. 

But then, a lot of users in this forum are console phobic, universal MMO haters who, it seems, prefer e-sport scenario PVP or solo "open world" gang wars  to "zerg" wars... one does have to wonder, considering that this game is the opposite of what they claim to enjoy (if they actually do enjoy anything, that is) why they keep coming back... over and over again.

It's a real head scratcher.

Skyrim is essentially create your own class skill based which is far more varied than the 5 class system they have in place in ESO. 

They are probably concerned as fans of the ES series that this game will suck as bad as SWTOR which was another IP they loved and watched become an horrible mmorpg. Its probably less concern over just them enjoying it but anyone enjoying it at all. I mean if you end up with a game with 200k former DAOC vets you probably were better off saving the money.

  Iselin

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12/12/13 11:12:47 AM#159
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by PerfArt
Originally posted by Dhaenon
I'm sure others have touched on it, I'm too lazy to check, the fundamental problem this game will have is that it isn't Skyrim Online. People played Skyrim, loved it or other TES games. Now we have a MMO that is just a MMO with TES skins. That is all. Could be good, but it isn't TES. 

It is TES. The creators of an IP decide what it is canon and what is not. Additionally, every Elder Scrolls game is different than the ones previous, mechanically. A fan of Morrowind could easily say that Skyrim "isn't Elder Scrolls" (some have) if judging it by the former's mechanics, but they would be wrong.

Edit- beaten like a mudcrab by Iselin ;)

I played every elder scrolls game from the beginning and every one until maybe Skyrim were just more polished and simplified versions of the last combat wise. Single player psudo crafting with wildly varying power set options. Although they are a little different the intent is largely the same, I cannot say the same for this mmo. Maybe it is because Zenimax is doing it and not Bethesda. 

This is a console friendly freakish GW2 Neverwinter hybrid with 5 "classes" with zerg wars. You wont win a war of semantics with Elder Scrolls fans. 

Considering Skyrim is the one and only ES game without classes, I find the disparaging comments in this forum about ESO's classes...ummm.... peculiar. 

But then, a lot of users in this forum are console phobic, universal MMO haters who, it seems, prefer e-sport scenario PVP or solo "open world" gang wars  to "zerg" wars... one does have to wonder, considering that this game is the opposite of what they claim to enjoy (if they actually do enjoy anything, that is) why they keep coming back... over and over again.

It's a real head scratcher.

Skyrim is essentially create your own class skill based which is far more varied than the 5 class system they have in place in ESO. 

They are probably concerned as fans of the ES series that this game will suck as bad as SWTOR which was another IP they loved and watched become an horrible mmorpg. Its probably less concern over just them enjoying it but anyone enjoying it at all. I mean if you end up with a game with 200k former DAOC vets you probably were better off saving the money.

Is Skyrim more varied? I don't remember getting nearly these many skills to train in Skyrim,,, and a guild membership there just meant an almost infinite number of very similar quests to perform with some bonus special armor or a mount as rewards... no special skill lines to get from them.

 

As to ES fan concern... it seems to be the concern of a few ES fans all of whom seem to have a totally different idea if how their dream MMO should have been designed - many with no PVP "'cause ES is not about PVP"... I'm not sure which single player games ARE about PVP.

 

Besides, those digruntled ES fans that express their concern once or twice is one thing... the ones who jump in on every thread to say the same "DAOC was an evil niche game" they've already said 100 times.... that's more like stalking than concern.

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12/12/13 11:19:10 AM#160

like someone else said, i also fit into both categories as an MMO and TES fan.

 

I am also very concerned that Zenimax is not delivering on either side. Making a generic mmo on one end, and making a sub-par TES with online interaction on the other end.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

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