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  Kyleran

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12/11/13 6:36:39 PM#21
I believe this is the second round of significant layoffs this team has experienced.

Makes one doubt CCPs ability to deliver.

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  Sovrath

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12/11/13 6:39:16 PM#22
Originally posted by Kyleran
I believe this is the second round of significant layoffs this team has experienced.

Makes one doubt CCPs ability to deliver.
 

Or ... their "commitment?"

  strangepowers

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12/11/13 6:42:44 PM#23

Ugg there goes my internship hopes, good luck to those affected.

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  jagd1

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12/11/13 6:48:58 PM#24
Originally posted by Distopia

Seems my interpretation of past events was pretty spot on. They obviously were looking for ways to make more money back during Monoclegate. Instead they let their players dictate their business plans.

They were also looking to bring new untapped players into EVE with their direction with WIS, again they let their current players dictate their future business plans.

 

 

Originally posted by AndrewGoat
This game was seriously one of the few MMOs I was truly looking forward to. If they screw this up, it will be an epic failure.
Originally posted by Vorthanion
 

Shouldn't that "flagship" be making enough money to keep their employees?  Something about that flagship or its business model is making it less profitable than they expected.  Even heartless companies hate firing people during the Holidays, if not for reasons of conscience, then for public relations and image.

 

 

Im sure eve is making nice money for them but   they have dust514 and WOD developers to feed also and expenses at china and usa and iceland  .I see some of you dont have any idea about  CCP If you want to see real reeasons behind monocelagate search for  ''greed is good mail '' from CEO ,they wanted add a F2P cash shop to sub based game basicly and WIS was a nvidia APEX demo paid by nvidia , it was  just a room you are inside and can do notthing  what were you waiting from players to say about it ?

CCP is still looking to make more money this is why they brought  F2P manager from EA to CCP while they had been lost their lead designer  when dust published .Do you see focus ? Not game not players but making money nothing changed at CCP front distopia .

CCP published  Dust514 unfinished  /broken / laggy terrible piece of crap  and  this is its results and they made  this is on console  when they have unified hardware . And all of problem had been told and beta , did they listen ? NO http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5386992#5386992  . what did they do when players demanded answers ? They put their head to sand like an ostrich and played 3 monkey until players gave memo 

''However, the most dangerous problems have not been fully recognized nor appreciated, despite constant calls for improvement from the community for almost two years. A lack of trust between the developers and the community continues to stand between Dust 514 and its full potential. A lack of communication also persists, and has at least been briefly acknowledged as 'something to improve on' multiple times by everyone we've approached in management. Sadly though, these acknowledgements come with only with the faintest hint of understanding pertaining to the severity of these problems. ''

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101452&find=unread  .Funny thins it is a 16* 16 shooter and there was the game MAG with 128* 128 players on PS3

Andrew dont wait anything from CCP ,  youll be disappointed if you wait anything good  , CCP  cant make  a good game their capacity is well known , Youll not see anything better than Dust514  . I could told alot about  their stupity but you can look my old posts if you see how stupid they are. 

  Volgore

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12/11/13 6:52:07 PM#25

Vaporware.

Not even worth to post news about.

Back from the banned...again.

  Nitth

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12/11/13 6:54:27 PM#26


Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by AndrewGoat This game was seriously one of the few MMOs I was truly looking forward to, as we don't actually have very many if any dark, vampire/werewolf type games in the MMO genre. If they screw this up, it will be an epic failure. I can't understand how a company would continue to work on a sandbox of trolls(EVE Online) instead of getting this game up and running. Makes no sense.
-DUST- is a massive failure so far.
 

How is it a Massive failure 'so far'?


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  Kaneth

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12/11/13 6:59:34 PM#27
Originally posted by Volgore

Vaporware.

Not even worth to post news about.

Agreed. Looks like another game that's going to wind up in development hell.

  Margrave

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12/11/13 7:02:44 PM#28
Well shoot! I had hopes for this title.... oh well...
  Dward127

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12/11/13 7:06:57 PM#29
this game will never  be finished it is vaporware  they should give the rights to make this game to some other company that will work on the game.
  DMKano

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12/11/13 7:19:43 PM#30

If any of them are willing to move - other game companies are hiring.

I remember Trion having layoffs before Xmas last year, and now they are hiring. Blizzard is hiring, heck just about every game studio is hiring.

 

 
  lizardbones

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12/11/13 7:20:20 PM#31

Well, that sucks. Because people losing their jobs suck, and because World of Darkness sounds like it could be really cool.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Calerxes

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12/11/13 7:45:42 PM#32

Originally posted by Distopia

Seems my interpretation of past events was pretty spot on. They obviously were looking for ways to make more money back during Monoclegate. Instead they let their players dictate their business plans.

They were also looking to bring new untapped players into EVE with their direction with WIS, again they let their current players dictate their future business plans. I'm sure that's all fine and good for their current audience, however for them and everyone looking forward to WOD? Not so much.

 

They really did over extend themselves its seems and tried to make up the shortfall with Monoclegate. Dust flopped and this is the result. It baffles me why the hell they ever made Dust, no-name company tries to enter the most competitive genre in the whole of gaming and exclusively on one console, truly bonkers. And as a result of that failure the much more interesting project World of Darkness suffers. Sometimes I really am baffled by the decisions some development companies make.

 

 

Originally posted by black_isle
I wish they lost the license tbh, but not gonna happen unfortunately.

 

They cannot lose the license they own the license as in the own White Wolf as far as I know.

 

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  Grakulen

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12/11/13 7:58:00 PM#33
Originally posted by black_isle
I wish they lost the license tbh, but not gonna happen unfortunately.

They don't own the license. CCP own's White Wolf publishing. They own the IP. 

I have serious doubts we will ever see this game.

 

  Chii-Nii

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12/11/13 8:00:47 PM#34

Poor fellaz- getting fired during the holidays!

Harsh cruel world......why art thou dig dagger in world of darkness? NUUUU!

  mmoguy43

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12/11/13 8:06:46 PM#35

No holiday bonus = money saved

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

12/11/13 8:10:25 PM#36

What makes it very odd is that CCP is making a killing with Eve, a game that runs for pennies raking in millions.

point being that if they truly were committed and cared about WOD,they most certainly could afford to do it full steam ahead.

It really makes me wonder wth is CCP doing with all the money they make,are these guys filling up offshore accounts ready to sink the ship soon?When you have a lot of money and lay guys off from an unfnished product,there is something seriously wrong under the hood.

To me it is a no brainer,they couldn't care less about this game anymore but they will tell you they do because they want  to make something out of this investment.

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  hammarus

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12/11/13 8:28:42 PM#37
Originally posted by Karahandras
Never good news in general, but 15 out of how many? And what positions?

This^  Not to concerned if its dead weight, Sorry to see peeps let go before Christmas but well it happens.

  Tamanous

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12/11/13 8:30:52 PM#38
Crowd fund this thing. The followers of this IP are %$#@ing rabid.

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  DarLorkar

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12/11/13 8:36:02 PM#39
Originally posted by Wizardry

What makes it very odd is that CCP is making a killing with Eve, a game that runs for pennies raking in millions.

point being that if they truly were committed and cared about WOD,they most certainly could afford to do it full steam ahead.

It really makes me wonder wth is CCP doing with all the money they make,are these guys filling up offshore accounts ready to sink the ship soon?When you have a lot of money and lay guys off from an unfnished product,there is something seriously wrong under the hood.

To me it is a no brainer,they couldn't care less about this game anymore but they will tell you they do because they want  to make something out of this investment.

Eve costs more to run than most games. They spend tons each year trying to keep up with the lag/server builds to make the big battles and everyone playing on one world thing work.

Eve,Dust, and WOD..

Too many irons in the fire for one high cost game to support fully.

But hopefully, they can continue working on WOD .

 

  LeGrosGamer

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12/11/13 8:51:15 PM#40
 Not surprising at all, I've always been a huge supporter of CCP and EVE-Online for 8 years. But not any more. These layoffs are most likely linked to the poor decision of making Dust 514 PS only , integrating Dust with EVE.  Honestly I can see where this is going for the next 5 years. EVE will start losing subs because the game will become too much of a grind, as if it wasn't at all time consuming already.   I would of made Dust 514 a whole different game being like PlanetSide with a pinch of End Of Nations, instead of integrating it with EVE and have players of EVE worry about something new, in which they don't have enough to worry about already.  It's a self inflicting wound on the part of CCP. We might not see it now ,but within 5 years we'll most likely see a great prospect like World of Darkness be put on hold or even cancelled.   I've stopped being naive a long time ago and able to see and read beyond and between the lines.     I'll give a glimpse of my vision right now, Dust 514 is F2P , EVE is P2P, what will happen when there will be 40 times more people playing Dust then EVE?   It's only a matter of time before EVE goes F2P , hence the reason why I quit 2 years ago.  a F2P EVE online will get it's socks blown off by Novus Aeterno which of course is F2P,  but will never be P2W.     What will happen when EVE goes F2P?  People will start joining, after a while start crying because they will never be able to catch up to those playing for years and voila you got a cash shop where you can buy skill points.   Do like me and sale your EVE online characters while the prices on toons are still hot, because like hockey cards back in the 80's, they won't be worth jack by 2020.   CCP was a great company, but who ever came up with the idea of Dust 514, just poisoned the company that is slowly going to die. Like I said a few lines above, it won't show now, but we'll start seeing signs of it in 2 years and 3 years after that will be the fall.
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