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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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12/09/13 11:14:33 AM#41
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard ATI demo from 2005... yes 2005.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDeOAzVs2U Many elements are already there, and back then it was only DirectX 9.
  Sorry, tech demo is not a game. Try again.
I haven't seen any gameplay in that video posted in the thread title post. Looks like a tech demo of that Snowdrop engine.

 

So what was your point?


 

Heres some gameplay for ya. Its the exact same thing :)

http://youtu.be/O_j9uKBmUEk

sorry i forgot how to embed. if someone could do it that would be great

Thanks, I'm even less impressed now. Looks like just another urban shooter, character animation are stiff (look when that female soldier passes by at the beginning). That definitely doesn't look "photorealistic" to me.

I was way more impressed by the Assassin's Creed 4 videos from the same developper.

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  ego13

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12/09/13 11:14:54 AM#42
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
ATI demo from 2005... yes 2005.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDeOAzVs2U

Many elements are already there, and back then it was only DirectX 9.


 

Sorry, tech demo is not a game. Try again.

I haven't seen any gameplay in that video posted in the thread title post. Looks like a tech demo of that Snowdrop engine.

So what was your point?

I just say: take that 2005 demo, increase texture resolution appropriately since today's graphic cards have much more horsepower, and there you go, you have 99% of that video posted in the OP. All is already in, those reflections, the weather, the lights in the puddles, etc...

Hell, that was 8 years ago.

So you said initially you saw something just as good years ago, show us a horrible tech demo that doesn't even come close on ANY level and then want us to "imagine" what it would be like if we made it just as good.  Well played!

Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.

  Bloodaxes

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12/09/13 11:15:25 AM#43

Graphics mean nothing for me it's probably going to have shallow gameplay with a short campaign like all modern games sadly.

People all they care for is graphics now.

But to mention a great game the metro series looks incredible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEIQs-TDv3g

  Betaguy

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12/09/13 11:15:38 AM#44
This game was the only reason I bought my PS4. Can't wait to get my hands on it, been jonsin to play it for a couple months now.

  Betaguy

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12/09/13 11:16:28 AM#45
Originally posted by Bloodaxes

Graphics mean nothing for me it's probably going to have shallow gameplay with a short campaign like all modern games sadly.

People all they care for is graphics now.

But to mention a great game the metro series looks incredible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEIQs-TDv3g

 You better go check it out if you really think that the game is going to be as you described.  I lol'd....

  ElRenmazuo

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12/09/13 11:16:56 AM#46
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo

I dont what people are talking about by saying theres been games like this on PC already.  Yes theres been plenty of games with great graphics and textures and all that, but nothing that has physics on this level where everything small and big like the car doors to its tires get effected by gameplay and player interaction with them.

I mainly play on PC but havent seen a game this stunning.  Not even crysis 3 or witcher 2.  Textures and anti-aliasing isnt everything.  This engine brings game physics to a whole new level.

This.

It'e because people just look at the textures.

Personally I look more to the resolution of the image. Especially when consoles are the topic. It's here that they often show weakness. While overall texture work can still look stunning, it's the blurriness of outlines that is most apparent. Case in point the police car in one of those Division screens, the blur on it is rather noticeable. It's here, as the new tech is further explored that they will improve. We need to remember in many cases strides are hindered by the console power at the time. The more limits that drop there, the further along graphics will move, enter these the first line of games for the next gen. Think they look stunning now? Wait for the games designed 4-5 years from now.

PS4 can run games on 1080P native resolution and on 60 FPS.  4-5 years from now, developers will have mastered at optimization of the consoles hardware and games on them will look even better than they are now on them.  Just look at the last gen consoles as an example and compare a games that came out at launch or a year from its launch to games 3-5 years from its launch like Metal Gear Solid 4, The Last of Us or Beyond Two Soul.  So you can imagine how much better games will look on a PS4 and Xbox One years from now than the ones we are seeing on them right now.

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12/09/13 11:19:25 AM#47


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard ATI demo from 2005... yes 2005.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDeOAzVs2U Many elements are already there, and back then it was only DirectX 9.
  Sorry, tech demo is not a game. Try again.
I haven't seen any gameplay in that video posted in the thread title post. Looks like a tech demo of that Snowdrop engine.   So what was your point?
  Heres some gameplay for ya. Its the exact same thing :) http://youtu.be/O_j9uKBmUEk sorry i forgot how to embed. if someone could do it that would be great
Thanks, I'm even less impressed now. Looks like just another urban shooter, character animation are stiff (look when that female soldier passes by at the beginning). That definitely doesn't look "photorealistic" to me.

I was way more impressed by the Assassin's Creed 4 videos from the same developper.


Thats fine you are definitely entitled to your opinion. I would just really like to see an actual game from 5 years ago that looks better than this like you said. Scratch that, I dont want you to get hung up on "better", just show me a game from 5 years ago that looks this good.

  CalmOceans

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12/09/13 11:19:45 AM#48

[quote] [i]Originally posted by Foomerang[/i] [quote] [/quote]   [b]Heres some gameplay for ya. Its the exact same thing :)[/b] [b]http://youtu.be/O_j9uKBmUEk[/b] [b]sorry i forgot how to embed. if someone could do it that would be great[/b][/quote] 

  CalmOceans

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12/09/13 11:21:06 AM#49
I failed
  ElRenmazuo

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12/09/13 11:21:44 AM#50
This pretty much sums up the conversation in this thread
  ego13

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12/09/13 11:23:07 AM#51
Originally posted by Bloodaxes

Graphics mean nothing for me it's probably going to have shallow gameplay with a short campaign like all modern games sadly.

People all they care for is graphics now.

But to mention a great game the metro series looks incredible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEIQs-TDv3g

Agreed Metro looks great, unfortunately it's still using very static effects.  NPCs move through steam and other particle effects and it doesn't move/change, if you shoot next to it the lighting doesn't really get affected by the steam, things like that are what really are shining in the snowdrop engine.

 

I'll completely agree that there are games that *look* just as good, but it's the collaboration of physics and lighting, and graphics that are making this one amazing.

Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.

  tom_gore

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12/09/13 11:23:42 AM#52
Originally posted by Elikal

I guess this ends the debate about "ohh by stylized lasts longer." Sorry peeps. This is photorealism now, which will never get old. We are close to the top of the line with this.

Photorealism? You have bad vision and/or a shitty camera?

 

  ego13

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12/09/13 11:24:19 AM#53
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
This pretty much sums up the conversation in this thread

Thank you for that.....and so true!

Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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There... are... four... lights!

12/09/13 11:25:04 AM#54
Originally posted by ego13
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
ATI demo from 2005... yes 2005.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDeOAzVs2U

Many elements are already there, and back then it was only DirectX 9.


 

Sorry, tech demo is not a game. Try again.

I haven't seen any gameplay in that video posted in the thread title post. Looks like a tech demo of that Snowdrop engine.

So what was your point?

I just say: take that 2005 demo, increase texture resolution appropriately since today's graphic cards have much more horsepower, and there you go, you have 99% of that video posted in the OP. All is already in, those reflections, the weather, the lights in the puddles, etc...

Hell, that was 8 years ago.

So you said initially you saw something just as good years ago, show us a horrible tech demo that doesn't even come close on ANY level and then want us to "imagine" what it would be like if we made it just as good.  Well played!

I've been working for real time graphic effects for the video/movie industry for over 20 years, so I'm knowing what I'm talking about. That "horrible tech demo", as you say, has most of the elements seen in the video in the OP of this thread, only difference is that the textures are lower resolution since graphic cards back then had less horsepower and less memory. And that was 8 years ago.

It looks nice, yes, because they are using the modern graphic power at the maximum. But none of what I've seen in those videos is impressive enought to be "the future of graphics", unless that future technology is already 5+ years old and was only waiting for more horsepower to be playable at reasonable frame rates.

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  CalmOceans

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12/09/13 11:26:02 AM#55
  mmoguy43

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12/09/13 11:26:11 AM#56

We already saw this in the E3 preview but this video does a nice job of breaking down what is in the tech.

It looks pretty

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

  aspekx

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12/09/13 11:27:15 AM#57

ya i have been waiting for this game for quite some time now. in fact it is the only game i have been looking forward to all year.

 

i really hope they get the port over to PC done right.

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  saker

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12/09/13 11:34:31 AM#58

Looks fantastic but is it a -real- MMO? or just a multiplayer lobby online shooter?

  ego13

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12/09/13 11:35:02 AM#59
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by ego13
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
ATI demo from 2005... yes 2005.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDeOAzVs2U

Many elements are already there, and back then it was only DirectX 9.


 

Sorry, tech demo is not a game. Try again.

I haven't seen any gameplay in that video posted in the thread title post. Looks like a tech demo of that Snowdrop engine.

So what was your point?

I just say: take that 2005 demo, increase texture resolution appropriately since today's graphic cards have much more horsepower, and there you go, you have 99% of that video posted in the OP. All is already in, those reflections, the weather, the lights in the puddles, etc...

Hell, that was 8 years ago.

So you said initially you saw something just as good years ago, show us a horrible tech demo that doesn't even come close on ANY level and then want us to "imagine" what it would be like if we made it just as good.  Well played!

I've been working for real time graphic effects for the video/movie industry for over 20 years, so I'm knowing what I'm talking about. That "horrible tech demo", as you say, has most of the elements seen in the video in the OP of this thread, only difference is that the textures are lower resolution since graphic cards back then had less horsepower and less memory. And that was 8 years ago.

It looks nice, yes, because they are using the modern graphic power at the maximum. But none of what I've seen in those videos is impressive enought to be "the future of graphics", unless that future technology is already 5+ years old and was only waiting for more horsepower to be playable at reasonable frame rates.

Your credentials mean nothing.  I can point you to many people working within my industry that are inept and I'm sure you could do the same.

 

As far as everything else, at this point you're just screaming NO to try and prove you're right without any facts.  I'm done responding to your asinine attempts at invalidating what is clearly right in front of your eyes.  You were asked for proof and conjured up a 'tech demo' that was neither on par, at ANY level, then asked everyone to just imagine that it was on par and that it was as good.  So...in light of that...just imagine that you're right...and move on.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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12/09/13 11:35:21 AM#60
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by Elikal

I guess this ends the debate about "ohh by stylized lasts longer." Sorry peeps. This is photorealism now, which will never get old. We are close to the top of the line with this.

Photorealism? You have bad vision and/or a shitty camera?

To achieve photorealism, the engine would have to use real time radiosity. You can see they do not notably in the scene where the neon lamp dangles down its cable in the corridor - they have a pretty impressive algorythm, but it's not radiosity.

Not to mention that while the textures are nice, as well as the animations, at no moment in the video you feel like it's a "real world" video. It all still "stinks", so to speak, computer graphics. It doesn't feel real at all.

This is definitely not "photorealism".

Nothing wrong with that, it's just a video game, but let's not try to make it something that it is definitely not.

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