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  kilun

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Joined: 12/25/07
Posts: 691

12/02/13 1:40:50 PM#21
Originally posted by Jeger_Wulf

Didn't fully cover the issues left unresolved. The complexity is all gone. RoS is restoring some choices, but it will still be simpler than D2. The lore IS messed up seriously - that really can't be fixed. (Cain killed by butterflies? Tyreal is a whiner?)

 

Not buying RoS at release. Doubt I ever will, but time will tell. Currently, I'm playing D2 with the new ladder. :)

 

> Sometimes haters do have to hate.

 

and fanboys and fangirls have to be fans.

 
 
 

Complexity is gone?  From what D2?  So maxing one skill (Javazon for example) and smoking everything going balls to the walls with Lightning Facets etc isn't complexity.  Enough strength and dex for gear and rest Vitality is the majority of players who played D2.

Yes, there are alternative methods people can use, but that's for variation play.  I am not saying I don't want more variation, because I would love it, but to say D2 is complex is not even the case.

To be honest, D3 probably has more variation in skill sets at endgame than D2 ever had.  How many Barbarians did you play?  I can imagine nearly everyone who liked the class played 3 variants: Warcry, Whirlwind, and Frenzy.  How about a Stun/Bash barbarian?  Concentrate?  Leap Attacker?  I can go on. 

Now with that, the items in D2 added loads more functionality allowing cross class skills.  Werebear-Every-other-class as well as aura's allowed many alternative routes to go.  Something that could be easily fixed by adding some kind of cross-class skills.  Maybe specific skills with specific runes attached.

  Alumicard

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Joined: 5/01/10
Posts: 165

12/02/13 1:41:11 PM#22

Diablo 3 RoS, changing your endgame area name from Inferno mp10 into Torment 6.  Also, so far the trifecta crit chance,crit dmg and atk speed  got reduced to 2 stats, atk speed and crushing blow. Torment 6 boss got killed with 300k dps and crushing blow in less than 5 min.

It took less than 2 days before the first char was leveld from 1 to 70. Less than a week to beat Torment 6. If 30-50 hours are worth it for you then buy it but dont expect more than that.

edit: I forgot, in D2 you were able to trade freely. In D3 RoS you can not trade the good stuff.

  dominia

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Joined: 12/31/06
Posts: 192

12/02/13 2:31:41 PM#23

The foundation for Diablo 3 is wonderful. Great graphics, physics, world and story, and I think Blizzard really hit the mark with the visceral feeling of smashing demons with a hammer, really (really!) hard. The game just feels and plays good.

 

The changes in RoS are progressive and fix many of the problems with the initial release. I really don't see all the needless hate for the expansion when the people who have played it love it.

 

The only complaints seem to be the speed of which you hit the cap at endgame and that is now much more easily fixed than before. Quests+Rifts add much greater possibilities for future end game content than continuous farming.

 

The game is markedly better than at release and is now flat out better than D2.

 
 
 

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  FlawSGI

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Joined: 8/14/10
Posts: 1426

All of history is a lie. The truth depends on who does the listening, and who does the telling...

12/02/13 2:43:43 PM#24
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by FlawSGI

Really!?  Another Ford article about the greatness of D3 and how we need to admit that the people at Blizzard are doing a good job? I guess it is time to add an editor to my list of people to ignore. While I can agree with some of her points, maybe she needs to quit trying to shove D3 down our throats and just get over the fact that people out there do not like the game. If I didn't believe the editors of this site were shills before now I really am starting to wonder....

 

 

After reading this post I decided to read the article. Which in turn has me at loss about your reaction.

While she did give Blizz some praise, she also spent a lot of time laying out the many critiques the game has received, as well as areas that were still not addressed.  I read the article in the context that this was the 3rd fluff piece in less than 2 weeks from the same staff member. It opens by stating the greatness of Blizz as the top dog, followed by a history lesson , then continues to point out that despite the outrage Blizzard is super successful. After that we get a bullet point on all of the stuff the expansion is adding that does address complaints made but fails to address others that were listed, and the column is finished up with a sweeping genralization stating that haters gotta hate and how by and large the majority of the community will be content. 

I'm not quite sure how that correlates to a shill piece. As far as shoving anything down anyone's throat..Come on man, there's nothing being forced on you here. It correlates in that it reads like a column that is written as an answer to the backlash from the last 2 collumns and attempts to sell the product to us. I perceived it as being shoved down my throat because she is a staff member and this is the 3rd column on D3 since November 21'st. Just because I am not being forced to read it does not mean it cannot be perceived as being pushed on me since she is a staff member on a site I generally enjoy reading things from and I am sorry if I took notice that it was the same staff member who wrote all of them.

 

 

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  Solar_Prophet

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Joined: 11/10/13
Posts: 718

WAAAGH!

12/02/13 2:49:37 PM#25
Originally posted by boxsnd
There's a game called Path of Exile that offers everything a D2 player would dream of. Ladders (with a twist), PvE races and soon PvP tournaments, great character customization, build diversity, itemization, endgame, difficult hardcore mode, F2P but not P2W, much better community than diablo 3 or any other F2P game etc. Also the devs are great, they are very active in the community and release great patches every 2 weeks (new skills, build-enabling uniques etc.) Why should I give 30-40 bucks for an inferior product?

While the game does have ladders & races, it has little to no build diversity. Due to the inflexibility of the skill system, unless you have a ton of time to constantly reroll characters because your particular 'build' sucks at endgame, you follow a template. Period.

While the passive tree certainly looks impressive, most of it is simply attribute increases. There are very few skills available which are 'game changers'. It has a nice veneer of complexity, but once you dive in it's about as shallow as a kiddie pool. GGG could easily cut it down to 1/3 its current size without a problem, except then it would look as shallow and simplistic as it really is. Sorry, but I like actual complexity, not just the appearance of it.

The gem skill system, while interesting at times, is nothing more than a carbon copy of the system from the game Sacred. It can also be very frustrating because on top of looking for desirable stats on gear, you need the correct colored sockets. Having to 'find' skills can be fun when you actually get one, but most of the time it's just irritating.

Not even going to mention the buggy netcode or the desync issues which make hardcore play challenging for all the wrong reasons.

The combat is incredibly clunky, and usually involves spamming a single skill over and over again with little thought for anything but your mana pool.

Don't get me wrong, PoE is a decent game which I do play from time to time, but putting it over D3 is laughable at best. There's a reason it's free, and you get what you pay for.

Oh, and people still don't complain about the fact it uses the same DRM D3 uses. The fact that it's 'free' should not have an effect on whether or not that kind of DRM is acceptable, period. But then again, this isn't a Blizzard game so it's okay, am I right?

Example of a common core math problem: If you have four pencils and seven apples, how many pancakes will fit on the roof? Purple. Because aliens don't wear hats.

  FlawSGI

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/14/10
Posts: 1426

All of history is a lie. The truth depends on who does the listening, and who does the telling...

12/02/13 2:50:26 PM#26
Originally posted by dominia

The foundation for Diablo 3 is wonderful. Great graphics, physics, world and story, and I think Blizzard really hit the mark with the visceral feeling of smashing demons with a hammer, really (really!) hard. The game just feels and plays good.

 

The changes in RoS are progressive and fix many of the problems with the initial release. I really don't see all the needless hate for the expansion when the people who have played it love it.

 

The only complaints seem to be the speed of which you hit the cap at endgame and that is now much more easily fixed than before. Quests+Rifts add much greater possibilities for future end game content than continuous farming.

 

The game is markedly better than at release and is now flat out better than D2.

 
 
 

I can agree with your opinions about what the game did right. There are some of us out there that hope the game turns it around, but for me the expansion is a pass based on the information we have on it now. Most of the added stuff is in fact just fixes for the stuff the developers screwed up the first time. As far as basing my opinions on the information form those that have tried it... well I bought 2 copies because of that and boy was I disappointed so I am a little more careful regarding glowing reviews and fan feedback.

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2852

12/02/13 2:51:58 PM#27

 While the new expansion is fixing everything that was wrong with the third game to begin with I don't think I'm willing enough to invest more money into a product that should have already had these features to begin with. It's not about hating on a company it's about a company ignoring the core fan base by taking everything out of the game that made them good to begin with. 

 Blizzard is now only playing catch up with other developers in the hack and slash genre and I believe that Path of Exile and Torchlight 2 are still much better titles to invest my time in. Good luck to Blizzard and I hope they realize their mistakes before releasing future products.


Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.

  Bladestrom

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12/02/13 2:57:53 PM#28
If they fix it il buy it, past history is past history IMO. Poe and torchlight are similar, tried both but found them a bit meh compared to current Diablo (and I only play Diablo occasionally at the mo due to its design issues )

rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW (1000 hrs on main mage)> oblivion > LOTR (480 Hunter) > Rift (230 hours mage) > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(900 elementalist), Wildstar

Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2852

12/02/13 3:01:38 PM#29
Originally posted by Bladestrom
If they fix it il buy it, past history is past history IMO. Poe and torchlight are similar, tried both but found them a bit meh compared to current Diablo (and I only play Diablo occasionally at the mo due to its design issues )

 I think Blizzard is still missing one major point. Which is the level cap and leaderboard. It was always nice to see how far someone could get from 1-100 in D2 and I completely miss that in D3. having only 60 levels only leaves the gear grind left in the game which is a disappointment.


Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.

  Vidir

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Joined: 1/14/04
Posts: 966

12/02/13 3:02:30 PM#30
I did quit playing this game when I read about this expansion,it removes from game the reasons I bought it in the first place.
  BTrayaL

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Joined: 2/17/08
Posts: 573

12/02/13 3:18:40 PM#31

"But by and large, most in the community will be content with and excited about what has been done to Diablo 3, the third in a beloved series of games, none of which, for the record, was perfect at launch."

Most in the community is right, because the fans that were disappointed QUIT! I loved the series, spent countless hours.. but I am no longer part of the community, because I will not come back to... this.

My problem, so easily dismissed in this article, is the skills, and the lack of their customisation.. No longer I will have to "suffer" with 20 skill points in the bank until level 30, to get MY PERFECT build. No, because everyone can have the same cookie-cutter build.

Sorry.. I will play another game (won't name it, most know what title) that allows me to build MY OWN char, with the good, the bad, the mistakes.. and most importantly, my touch.

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2852

12/02/13 3:29:11 PM#32
Originally posted by BTrayaL

"But by and large, most in the community will be content with and excited about what has been done to Diablo 3, the third in a beloved series of games, none of which, for the record, was perfect at launch."

Most in the community is right, because the fans that were disappointed QUIT! I loved the series, spent countless hours.. but I am no longer part of the community, because I will not come back to... this.

My problem, so easily dismissed in this article, is the skills, and the lack of their customisation.. No longer I will have to "suffer" with 20 skill points in the bank until level 30, to get MY PERFECT build. No, because everyone can have the same cookie-cutter build.

Sorry.. I will play another game (won't name it, most know what title) that allows me to build MY OWN char, with the good, the bad, the mistakes.. and most importantly, my touch.

 I can understand how a company wants to improve on a game. Sometimes change is a good thing and sometimes change is a bad thing. Unfortunately Diablo 3 happens to be one of those things that turned out to be a bad thing in the end. You're also completely right about the missing customization within D3. It's just one of those things that made the series good to begin with.


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  Darknessguy64

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12/02/13 3:29:26 PM#33

Looking forward to the expansion. I'll wait a bit due to my ever increasing backlog of games...but I will buy it eventually.

  Gravarg

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12/02/13 3:40:14 PM#34

I enjoy Diablo 3 still today,, even though I have every class with BiS gear, I just make another alt and play it some more to gear them up hehe.

 

Really the only thing I didn't like about Diablo 3 was the requirement to be online.  It hasn't been much of a problem, but there have been a couple of times where I wish I could go do a diablo run solo while at a worksite where there's no internet.

 

The auction house was a dual-edged sword.  I liked it because I actually made money playing with friends.  It paid for the game itself, my subscription for a year to WoW, and my new laptop (whatever wasn't covered by work anyways hehe).  However, it did make the whole "kill monsters, get gear" out of the equation.

 

RoS fixes all this though.  Really making any complaint I have about the game void :)

  Sovrath

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12/02/13 3:54:05 PM#35
Originally posted by Asamof
Originally posted by Abcynth
I was always on the fence with this game.  I spent many an hour with Diablo II in my college days creating a LAN game and going at it for hours.  With the negative criticism from the start, I have steered clear of this game.  Hearing good things about the expansion, but then take it with a grain of salt because of all the other broken things that players are complaining about.  I loved Torchlight II, but never got that gritty feel that I used to get from D2.  I have seen sales for D3 as low as $25 for the holidays, just dont' know if its worth the investment if its only going to frustrate me.  Guess I should wait to see what people think about the expansion and if its really any better.

D2 faced tons of negativity and criticism on release as well. Stop basing your decisions on crappy internet opinions.

it's true.

Here is an interesting review:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/07/08/diablo-ii-2

and this:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/07/08/diablo-ii-2

 

Obviously there is always going to be some negativity to decent reviews but sometimes i think players forget this as time goes on.

  Jeger_Wulf

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/20/10
Posts: 64

12/02/13 3:55:16 PM#36
Originally posted by kilun
Originally posted by Jeger_Wulf

The complexity is all gone. 

 
 
 

Complexity is gone?  From what D2?  So maxing one skill (Javazon for example) and smoking everything going balls to the walls with Lightning Facets etc isn't complexity.  Enough strength and dex for gear and rest Vitality is the majority of players who played D2.

Once you max one skill, you have 80 more points to spend. You have equipment to choose; not just based on DPS and a couple stats, but DPS, special abilities, runes available, stat point requirements, animation break points, etc. What do you socket the gear with? How do you spend your attribute points (which is connected to the gear you choose.) Which skills do you hotkey.

D3 your choices are: which skills to hotkey (including how are they runed,) and limited equipment decisions.

JMO - YMMV

  Alumicard

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/01/10
Posts: 165

12/02/13 3:58:25 PM#37
Originally posted by dominia

The foundation for Diablo 3 is wonderful. Great graphics, physics, world and story, and I think Blizzard really hit the mark with the visceral feeling of smashing demons with a hammer, really (really!) hard. The game just feels and plays good.

 

The changes in RoS are progressive and fix many of the problems with the initial release. I really don't see all the needless hate for the expansion when the people who have played it love it.

The only complaints seem to be the speed of which you hit the cap at endgame and that is now much more easily fixed than before. Quests+Rifts add much greater possibilities for future end game content than continuous farming.

 

The f&f beta has been out 2 weeks now right? And already the amount of streams and viewers has gone back significantly. People who play it say it is just a Rift grind. They spent more than a year on RoS so far and that is what they can come up with. Hoping for future content is a wish and can not be taken into account when it comes to RoS.  Especially when they have already taken content out of RoS, Nephalem Trials. So first they will have to get those into the game and after that can create new content. And of course they still didnt come through with their promise on pvp given by good old Jay Wilson.

So far, Blizzard has still to add stuff so the game becomes what they showed people back in '11. I'd love to see the game getting better but so far it really hasnt changed much. It still has nothing to do for any reason. All content is way too easy which wont change because "hard" means for Blizz 100% more hp and damage. Thats boring, not hard.

  Darknessguy64

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/30/13
Posts: 237

12/02/13 3:59:27 PM#38

D3 releases, 5 million D2 lovers scream "WTF, we wanted it to be like D2!!"

 

Hypothetical D3 releases that is like D2...5 million scream "WTF, we wanted something new!!"

 

You can't win. So choose a direction for your game and stick with your vision.

  Shamorau

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/14/09
Posts: 166

12/02/13 4:07:59 PM#39
This game is not an MMO can we please go back to reporting on MMO's. that would be great.
  zymurgeist

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 5210

12/02/13 4:28:00 PM#40
Originally posted by Shamorau
This game is not an MMO can we please go back to reporting on MMO's. that would be great.

 The website has never been about just MMOs.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

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