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OP  12/01/13 4:05:32 PM#1

Diablo 3 has been both loved and hated by fans for the past eighteen months since release. In a new column, we take a look at what has caused the controversy and how Blizzard is looking to reclaim its fans with the Reaper of Souls expansion. Read on before heading to the comments to chat.

When it’s all said and done, Blizzard will make many, many players very happy with the Reaper of Souls expansion. Will it please all? Certainly and absolutely not. Sometimes haters do have to hate. But by and large, most in the community will be content with and excited about what has been done to Diablo 3, the third in a beloved series of games, none of which, for the record, was perfect at launch.

Read more of Suzie Ford's Diablo 3: Reforging Game & Community with Reaper of Souls.

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12/02/13 8:29:48 AM#2
I was always on the fence with this game.  I spent many an hour with Diablo II in my college days creating a LAN game and going at it for hours.  With the negative criticism from the start, I have steered clear of this game.  Hearing good things about the expansion, but then take it with a grain of salt because of all the other broken things that players are complaining about.  I loved Torchlight II, but never got that gritty feel that I used to get from D2.  I have seen sales for D3 as low as $25 for the holidays, just dont' know if its worth the investment if its only going to frustrate me.  Guess I should wait to see what people think about the expansion and if its really any better.

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12/02/13 8:33:33 AM#3
Same as above.  I wanted to just play it as single player and enjoy it but from what I have read they give crappy rewards and the good stuff you have to buy.  I went Torchlight 2 instead.  It's not my favorite game, but I go back to it now and again and it's fun.

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12/02/13 8:45:36 AM#4
Originally posted by Suzie Ford
When it’s all said and done, Blizzard will make many, many players very happy with the Reaper of Souls expansion. Will it please all? Certainly and absolutely not. Sometimes haters do have to hate

I disagree here.....


the bomb that will make ppl mad is gonna be the Expansion price ....45$ is my guess....


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12/02/13 8:45:54 AM#5
Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me


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12/02/13 8:46:20 AM#6

I don't think your quote was a good choice. Many of us did continue to play and pray for a change, for me that was because I was promised PvP at launch. Guess what we still don't even have on the horizon 18 months out?  Glad I cut ties when I did.


P.S. To continue to play that game is to encourage Blizzard in their continued destruction of the market through pandering to availability and marketing not gameplay. The RMAH (along with blizzard intentionally tanking the gold auction house internally) was the largest travesty in gaming history, removing it does not rectify the millions the stole.


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12/02/13 9:02:49 AM#7

I think D3 is the only adventure game out there. Much better than Dungeon Siege.

Can you infact belive that? The ONLY and I mean jesus ONLY adventure game out there is D3? I smell a conspiracy theory incoming.

Do you know how many games exists in the world to date? My honest bet is on Gazillion. That includes games on Ipads, Iphones, Gamecube Hell even tabletop games. Yeah Gazillion.

So what gives? Why has no developer dared challenge Blizzard to this date. Does Bioware believe Blizzard are BIg Bad Wolfs? Damn good fight in Karazhan btw. Or that they are included in the Axis of Evil? Does Bethesda believe Blizzard to be Corrupt? (God forbid).


So what friggin gives? Blizzard are decent ppl.  Automation did not get created because the creator was Evil. No. Because he was a genius. Geniuses tend to enjoy what they do. Period.


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12/02/13 9:14:43 AM#8

The D3 debate can be summed up in one line. They made the game for fans of WoW, not fans of D2. The fans of D2 flipped out about that and the fans of WoW largely liked the game. Just like a lot of D1 fans didn't like D2 because it was made for the RPG crowd and not the dungeon hack crowd (there was tons of hate on D2 when it came out, I know because I was part of it~).

The expansion will sell big. I will not be buying it personally.


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12/02/13 9:58:53 AM#9
I play D3 without useing the Ah and the game is awesome. However I'm only lvl 45ish on my wizard.. so that could explain my feelings >.>


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12/02/13 10:05:02 AM#10
The mice shall click again!

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12/02/13 10:12:20 AM#11
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After reading this post I decided to read the article. Which in turn has me at loss about your reaction.

While she did give Blizz some praise, she also spent a lot of time laying out the many critiques the game has received, as well as areas that were still not addressed.

I'm not quite sure how that correlates to a shill piece. As far as shoving anything down anyone's throat..Come on man, there's nothing being forced on you here.


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12/02/13 10:29:29 AM#12

Suzzie if Blizzard is doing a "stellar job" why did it take them 12 years to release a game that's not really any better then most of the games that 4-6 years to release these days? 12 years is a awfully long time to wait for a game that's simply ok. Hell 18 months is a long time to wait just for 1 added class that's just a modified version on a class from 12 years ago, oh and a increase in monster power to go along with a increase in item power, give that a month or 2 and it all just wears off again like new car smell.

 "Stellar" no sorry I'd have to disagree Blizzard and D3 while I like both are not exactly living up to "stellar" expectations 


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12/02/13 10:45:31 AM#13
Originally posted by Abcynth
I was always on the fence with this game.  I spent many an hour with Diablo II in my college days creating a LAN game and going at it for hours.  With the negative criticism from the start, I have steered clear of this game.  Hearing good things about the expansion, but then take it with a grain of salt because of all the other broken things that players are complaining about.  I loved Torchlight II, but never got that gritty feel that I used to get from D2.  I have seen sales for D3 as low as $25 for the holidays, just dont' know if its worth the investment if its only going to frustrate me.  Guess I should wait to see what people think about the expansion and if its really any better.

D2 faced tons of negativity and criticism on release as well. Stop basing your decisions on crappy internet opinions.


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12/02/13 10:58:33 AM#14
Originally posted by Lobotomist
Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me

This. I haven't bought a Blizzard game since WoW and I never will.


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12/02/13 11:12:31 AM#15
There's a game called Path of Exile that offers everything a D2 player would dream of. Ladders (with a twist), PvE races and soon PvP tournaments, great character customization, build diversity, itemization, endgame, difficult hardcore mode, F2P but not P2W, much better community than diablo 3 or any other F2P game etc. Also the devs are great, they are very active in the community and release great patches every 2 weeks (new skills, build-enabling uniques etc.) Why should I give 30-40 bucks for an inferior product?

DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann


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12/02/13 11:16:36 AM#16

Just me who find D3 lore shit?

Diablo turned female alien that looks red, thats really messed up.

Diablo in D1 and D2 was iconic badass hell demon what was actually scary.

and Cain was killed by butterfly witch...

so messed up.


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12/02/13 11:50:48 AM#17
Great article, definitely summed up the problems with the game and the current critiques. I definitely consider myself one of the few that enjoy the game. While I don't play it often anymore, I've put quite a few hours into the game. These changes will definitely improve the game, and that's really all that matters.

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12/02/13 12:14:38 PM#18

Didn't fully cover the issues left unresolved. The complexity is all gone. RoS is restoring some choices, but it will still be simpler than D2. The lore IS messed up seriously - that really can't be fixed. (Cain killed by butterflies? Tyreal is a whiner?)


Not buying RoS at release. Doubt I ever will, but time will tell. Currently, I'm playing D2 with the new ladder. :)


> Sometimes haters do have to hate.


and fanboys and fangirls have to be fans.


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12/02/13 12:16:43 PM#19

Impressive considering I was expecting an appologist article for Blizzard's developers. Instead I get a highly accurate list of why Diablo 3 is awful, and why Blizzard messed up so badly.


Unless they redesign the game from the ground up to follow Diablo 2 more, which is never going to happen, I'll never touch another Blizzard "SinglePlayer" game again. 


They need to learn that:

-"AlwaysOn" DRM is so unpopular it is considered a reason not to buy a product.

-Cartoony artstyle where said AryStyle has never been (ie: the style between Diablo, StarCraft, and Warcraft has always been different) will kill a product pretty hard from its previous incarnations. Let's face it, hardcore fans know that Blizzard was amazing once upon a time because they had three completely different art-style games going on which spoke to a broader audience by hitting three different areas at once. By bleeding WoW ArtStyle into StarCraft and Diablo franchises they ruined them completely. Fool me once Blizzard shame on you, fool me twice...I should stop waiting for a good "Blizzard" game as it's apparent that all the good devs left a long time ago.


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12/02/13 12:33:19 PM#20

Do people not remember prior to 1.10 and skill synergies how badly the majority of Diablo II played?  Necromancer were nothing more than Curse bots with skeletons and golems as just added lag in the cow level?

How about being nothing more than a Javazon while nearly everything else short of that was useless in the cow level?  Sure Hammerdins, Meterorb worked, but nothing had the sheer killing power there than a Javazon.  Lets not talk about Druids or Assassins prior to 1.10, both pretty much useless for the hardcore levelers in the cow level.

The majority of Diablo II players probably never did anything more than level a character to 99 by either cow or Baal runs.  While trading duped runes.

Regardless of how you played, the first 3 years of the game all got revamped and remade in 2003 with the introduction of 1.10.  I don't like a lot of D3, I can't stand the whole items are the only thing that matters portion of the game, but I think its still the most enjoyable ARPG.  If they could add PoE's timed races and a ladder type thing with that it would be even more enjoyable.

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