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General Discussion  » Glad ESO will be Subscription model

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  raiders95

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11/30/13 12:15:31 PM#61

Double read my post and you'll see that I have not only talked about community issue.

That's being said, based on MY experience and opinion,a good community is important and I always and only

saw good ones on mmo with subs.

Some may spend 15$ a month (or more) on alcohol or smoking things... I prefer spending tham on a mmo subs.

It's just a question of choice, paying 15$/month doesn't make me more intelligent but for sure it doesn't make me an idiot neither.

The one who claim the opposit well... thanks God you don't have the power to use nuclear bomb.

  iridescence

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11/30/13 12:18:02 PM#62
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by iridescence
 

Paying for something each month when you could possibly get the same entertainment for free or cheaper is stupid. If an mmo wants to justify a monthly sub then it has to be much better than the mmo's that are free. At this point in time p2p is not any better than f2p mmo's. They are all the bloody same game.

Yeah, totally agree with that. I'll only consider subbing to ESO if it seems substantially better to me than stuff like LOTRO, Rift or Path of Exile.  There is a much higher bar which your game has to live up to if you want to succeed with a sub system.

 

  djazzy

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11/30/13 12:27:43 PM#63
I have no real issue with a subscription fee as long as it is worth that fee. Say for example the game came out with DLC type content updates every 2 months or so then that is probably worth the sub fee. If it is longer than that then it probably isn't worth it (unless you have a lower sub fee than the standard $15 a month).
  rojoArcueid

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

11/30/13 12:38:02 PM#64
you know, if the game felt like a real TES game and offered more i would have paid a sub. I wont tell any details because i respect the NDA but i will say that i felt i was playing Defiance without guns. Definitelly not worth a sub.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  User Deleted
11/30/13 12:42:54 PM#65
Bullshit.
  greenreen

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11/30/13 12:50:38 PM#66

Wait, this game is releasing as a sub?

That makes me interested to read about it.

I thought it was another free game.

Must read entire thread now to find the catch, guessing it's cash shop.

  lostincombatfindings

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11/30/13 12:50:48 PM#67

To Elrenmazuo who posted this truth:

"Just imagine logging in and the first thing that pops up is a window saying deals of the day lol."

The elder scrolls? I wholeheartedly agree with you. What I mean is I remember the immersion of daggerfall. The first intro mission securing the king who got murdered in Morrowind. The kindness. The ease. The luxury. Of a Bethesda Softworks title.

Now I have to protect my honor by mentioning some other AAA companies. Such as Bioware. Who created Mass Effect 1/2/3. I've played them all. Shit I need a Jack in my life. Bad.

Blizzard. Yes I did play warcraft 3.

Square Enix. Do I need to mention your whole countries game developters? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Ubisoft.

2K Games.

Fuck me the list goes on mates.

  cronius77

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11/30/13 12:59:05 PM#68
OP Im also like you I cant wait for a good sub based game that I do not have to worry about buying bags or mounts or having some stupid store pop up every time I log in telling me about this uber new mount or this 4 million slot bag or the 500x experience pot for 5 hours. It gets old but due to the cheap ass nature of gamers nowadays that cant hold a job or spend a little money to play a game its now the normal of gaming. As you can see from the 3 other pages on this topic there is a lot of them in this thread already. I always find it funny how people can go to burger king or some other fast food chain and spend 20 bucks for 2 people or 25 bucks in a nice restuarant for themselves , yet they bitch and moan when having to pay for a game to log in where there is no item sales or experience pots and bags for sale. It just shows you how cheap this generation of people really are in life and how F'd up their priorities are nowadays. Im with you OP 150% on this one.
  ElRenmazuo

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OP  11/30/13 1:20:28 PM#69
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Because not only will it be an insult to the series and make it seem cheap if it was either f2p or b2p with cash shop, it would personally kill the kind of immersion I get from playing an elder scrolls title.  Just imagine logging in and the first thing that pops up is a window saying deals of the day lol.  Or zoning to a new area only to be stopped and reminded I need to buy this area to go on further.  Or seeing people with hair styles that werent available in character creation.  I think even the console fans would have been like WTF is this.

 Yeah, you know what would also kill the immersion? That little pop up message requiring you to pay that 15.00 fee every month ;).

Which mmo does that? Because Ive never played a sub model mmo that gives me pop up messages in game telling me to pay 15 dollars, since that 15 dollars is taken from my account automatically on the next billing date.

  ElRenmazuo

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OP  11/30/13 1:21:35 PM#70
Originally posted by rojo6934
you know, if the game felt like a real TES game and offered more i would have paid a sub. I wont tell any details because i respect the NDA but i will say that i felt i was playing Defiance without guns. Definitelly not worth a sub.

I felt totally opposite from my experience

  cybersrs

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11/30/13 1:27:25 PM#71
Kinda off topic, sorry... There will not be RAID like 10+ players? Only Dungeon 4 players?
  Torvaldr

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11/30/13 1:29:23 PM#72
Originally posted by cronius77
OP Im also like you I cant wait for a good sub based game that I do not have to worry about buying bags or mounts or having some stupid store pop up every time I log in telling me about this uber new mount or this 4 million slot bag or the 500x experience pot for 5 hours. It gets old but due to the cheap ass nature of gamers nowadays that cant hold a job or spend a little money to play a game its now the normal of gaming. As you can see from the 3 other pages on this topic there is a lot of them in this thread already. I always find it funny how people can go to burger king or some other fast food chain and spend 20 bucks for 2 people or 25 bucks in a nice restuarant for themselves , yet they bitch and moan when having to pay for a game to log in where there is no item sales or experience pots and bags for sale. It just shows you how cheap this generation of people really are in life and how F'd up their priorities are nowadays. Im with you OP 150% on this one.

I always wonder why subscription gamers are so cheap and will only spend $15 a month on games they like. They really need to get real jobs that pay something so they can actually spend some money on their hobby. You can spend $50 a week or more on paintball or hunting, not to mention the gear, but sub gamers are so cheap they equate their hobby to eating at a fast food joint. It's sort of pathetic.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  iridescence

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11/30/13 1:41:24 PM#73
Originally posted by Torvaldr
 

I always wonder why subscription gamers are so cheap and will only spend $15 a month on games they like. They really need to get real jobs that pay something so they can actually spend some money on their hobby. You can spend $50 a week or more on paintball or hunting, not to mention the gear, but sub gamers are so cheap they equate their hobby to eating at a fast food joint. It's sort of pathetic.

Not totally sure if this is serious or sarcastic but with me, I'd consider spending more than $15 on a game if it was really great but I refuse to buy virtual items in games. expecting me to spend money on bag space or mounts is just an insult to my intelligence. If you say "our game is worth X dollars a month!" that is a different thing.

 

 

  Torvaldr

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11/30/13 1:47:22 PM#74
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by Torvaldr

I always wonder why subscription gamers are so cheap and will only spend $15 a month on games they like. They really need to get real jobs that pay something so they can actually spend some money on their hobby. You can spend $50 a week or more on paintball or hunting, not to mention the gear, but sub gamers are so cheap they equate their hobby to eating at a fast food joint. It's sort of pathetic.

Not totally sure if this is serious or sarcastic but with me, I'd consider spending more than $15 on a game if it was really great but I refuse to buy virtual items in games. expecting me to spend money on bag space or mounts is just an insult to my intelligence. If you say "our game is worth X dollars a month!" that is a different thing.

Buying virtual items is ludicrous to you and insults your intelligence, but renting temporary access does not.  Okay, whatever floats your boat. You pay your way and I'll pay mine. With my way I control exactly how much I spend and when I spend it.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Tatercake

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LET GO OF MY NUTS

11/30/13 1:51:48 PM#75
persona;ly i am don with subs and pay to play dose not do that you are ignorant to say such comments subs are a thing of the past evolve 
  User Deleted
11/30/13 1:58:11 PM#76
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by Torvaldr

I always wonder why subscription gamers are so cheap and will only spend $15 a month on games they like. They really need to get real jobs that pay something so they can actually spend some money on their hobby. You can spend $50 a week or more on paintball or hunting, not to mention the gear, but sub gamers are so cheap they equate their hobby to eating at a fast food joint. It's sort of pathetic.

Not totally sure if this is serious or sarcastic but with me, I'd consider spending more than $15 on a game if it was really great but I refuse to buy virtual items in games. expecting me to spend money on bag space or mounts is just an insult to my intelligence. If you say "our game is worth X dollars a month!" that is a different thing.

Buying virtual items is ludicrous to you and insults your intelligence, but renting temporary access does not.  Okay, whatever floats your boat. You pay your way and I'll pay mine. With my way I control exactly how much I spend and when I spend it.

Renting access?  You are always renting.  You never own anything.  The difference is a game designed to milk you for money or a game designed to keep you playing.  Pick your poison.

F2P crowd cracks me up.  

  Malevil

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11/30/13 1:59:22 PM#77
Unless the game is excelent, sub model will fail.
  Torvaldr

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11/30/13 2:11:14 PM#78
Originally posted by jdnyc
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by Torvaldr

I always wonder why subscription gamers are so cheap and will only spend $15 a month on games they like. They really need to get real jobs that pay something so they can actually spend some money on their hobby. You can spend $50 a week or more on paintball or hunting, not to mention the gear, but sub gamers are so cheap they equate their hobby to eating at a fast food joint. It's sort of pathetic.

Not totally sure if this is serious or sarcastic but with me, I'd consider spending more than $15 on a game if it was really great but I refuse to buy virtual items in games. expecting me to spend money on bag space or mounts is just an insult to my intelligence. If you say "our game is worth X dollars a month!" that is a different thing.

Buying virtual items is ludicrous to you and insults your intelligence, but renting temporary access does not.  Okay, whatever floats your boat. You pay your way and I'll pay mine. With my way I control exactly how much I spend and when I spend it.

Renting access?  You are always renting.  You never own anything.  The difference is a game designed to milk you for money or a game designed to keep you playing.  Pick your poison.

F2P crowd cracks me up.  

Rent: The definitions of rent all start similarly: "a regular payment to the owner for the right to use". When a sub is required to access the server you are renting. A F2P or B2P doesn't require a rental payment. I think you're willfully confusing the concept that servers are never guaranteed to remain open and that everything has an end. That isn't the same as renting.

With P2P "designed to keep you playing" and "milking your for money" are equivalent. If you play then they are milking you for money. The concept of milking being to draw a resource consistently over time. That resource is your monthly fee. The milking in P2P is not optional. The milking in F2P or B2P is optional.

The P2P crowd always cracks me up too because they get so irate when people don't like to pay and play their way.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Heretique

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11/30/13 2:15:29 PM#79
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Because not only will it be an insult to the series and make it seem cheap if it was either f2p or b2p with cash shop, it would personally kill the kind of immersion I get from playing an elder scrolls title

Think the game does this well on it's own, sub or F2P doesn't even matter.

Originally posted by salsa41
are you have problem ?

  Velocinox

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11/30/13 2:19:03 PM#80
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Because not only will it be an insult to the series and make it seem cheap if it was either f2p or b2p with cash shop, it would personally kill the kind of immersion I get from playing an elder scrolls title.  Just imagine logging in and the first thing that pops up is a window saying deals of the day lol.  Or zoning to a new area only to be stopped and reminded I need to buy this area to go on further.  Or seeing people with hair styles that werent available in character creation.  I think even the console fans would have been like WTF is this.

Remember, when you log in for the first time and you notice that in-game store ad pop up with the 'deals of the day' even though you are already paying a monthly premium...

 

Be sure to come back here and reply to your own thread about how happy you still are.

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