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  Nurf3duk

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Joined: 5/20/13
Posts: 34

11/26/13 10:12:57 AM#41
$1000 - $1250 for Virtual goods, not to mention people selling accounts for $2500 with these ships on them....things just got crazy
  zimboy69

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Joined: 3/09/08
Posts: 352

11/26/13 11:33:52 AM#42

i do think star citizen sounds amazing but  i've not put a single penny into it.

mainly because what they promise appears to be way and beyond what they will achieve

their will be so many disappointed players  come launch day  who will have invested  hundreds if not thousands of pounds

only to be let down in 2 years time

 

and if the game turns out to be good i will purchase it but  not till it comes out

sadly this  sale  was a cash grab they clearly have enough money to build the  game they want and  the money they have received is so much more than they could have possibly ever of expected

if they really wanted to thank you all  for your support  then why not give you all another free ship  as that would have been a thank you

  Kain_Dale

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Posts: 380

11/26/13 11:37:12 AM#43
Item mall? Im out.
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  Cabbagehead664

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Joined: 3/22/13
Posts: 25

11/27/13 7:29:09 PM#44
Originally posted by Kain_Dale
Item mall? Im out.

there is no item mall don't know why it was changed to that at all and there is NO PAY TYPE. All items that will be in the item shop won't have any effect on the game, given they will be fluff stuff and that's all. Everything else is in the game.

 

it's a buy 2 play game. Also the OP of this thread is a troll on the forums for SC.

  khamul787

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Joined: 2/20/11
Posts: 187

11/30/13 2:54:25 AM#45
Originally posted by goldtoof
Yeah but proves my point about feature creep dye to the extra funding. Star citizen launched its kickstarter before elite dangerous, but elite dangerous is due to launch with a persistent universe a whole year before star citizen. Limit theory should be up and running a ling time before it too.

Erm. SC was designed from the very beginning to be a AAA game. Neither of those were. AAA games often have development cycles of up to 4-5 years or more. SC was always going to take longer than either of those two. It is a much larger and more ambitious project.

  khamul787

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Posts: 187

11/30/13 2:57:24 AM#46
Originally posted by Hariken
Originally posted by Omali
Originally posted by Clerigo
Originally posted by apanz3r

It looks like their main concern is to grab more money altough they allredy reached any goal they proposed.

The "limited available" ships return again for a week etc.

 Bottomline : consume with  moderation, don;t fall in their marketing trap.

 

This is one of those threads that sould be locked imediately.

You give no valuable information whatsoever, you make an accusation without any kind of sense, you clearly show no knowledge of the project itself since its a crowd funded project and RSI made it clear from the start what people were having or not for each goal reached and with the increasing revenue more goals were added, and you come here saying something like that about a high quality project geting 21 millions fan based when there are AAA tittes out there spending 10 or 20 times more that dont fit in your perspective of things.

 

The MMORPG.com forums have a reputation for being a swirling cesspool of hate-filled people bagging endlessly about games they never had any intention of playing or liking. OP's post is rather tame compared to the other people who post daily or weekly threads about the same games.

And what bothers me is the fact that these mmo dev's are asking for money in the first place. I don't know why it doesn't bother more people. I guess its the time we live in. Promise to make an mmo if you give me money first. All these games in beta taking money from players. I guess its the new way.

It's the "new way" because a lot of indie and smaller game companies have realized that can do it without publishers. One of the main points of SC is Chris Roberts proving that a community can come together and fund a game from scratch. I don't see what the big deal is. CIG has been very transparent with the entire development process, we've seen everything step-by-step with huge mountains of info and communication.

You're right that it's a relatively new thing, but I see nothing wrong with it. You just have to be careful where you put your trust and show some restraint, just like you'd have to with any other game.

  Burntvet

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Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2757

12/02/13 1:40:38 AM#47

When there is a game, it might get my money.

Until then, all the promises and hot air and hype are worth exactly nothing.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I prefer to pay for something when I get it.

 

  Husvik

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Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 432

Having fun who cares.

12/07/13 7:46:03 AM#48
34+ Million only proves how gullible people can be.

Remember when the hype machines would run rampant and an actual game would arrive and everyone would buy it then realize how wrong or right they were, like SWTOR, some people love it but the majority grew bored fast and moved on, flaming it to death on the way out.

At least the hype was free back then.

Now you have to pay for the hype, literally, with real money for a game that doesn't even exist, you have to pay to feel like your in the crowd, spend more money to feel like your keeping up.

The industry has looked upon us all and realized that the time to grab the cash is when they hype is high and our imaginations are running wild dreaming of what could be, what it'll be like, and how it's going to be the greatest game ever.

Then the game launches and all those dreams are crushed, but hey no problem they've already cashed in on all your hopes well before they were squashed.

If it turns out to be a great game I'll buy it then, but until then, i think I'll keep my money where it belongs. You know i can't even make a prediction on whether it'll be good or bad because "reality check here" THERE IS NO GAME, only a rampant hype machine.

 

 

  Umbrood

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Joined: 7/09/03
Posts: 1842

12/07/13 9:17:28 AM#49

Crazy thing here though is that this is almost entirely community driven hype.

No marketer in the world would even dare dream of actually be able to create something of this proportion.

30 million would be nowhere near what would be required to artificially make that happen.

People who think RSI has somehow masterminded this give them WAY to much credit.

All of sudden money started to get thrown at them, and no one would refuse to pick that up, no one!

 

Being, I think, 75 dollars into it I do not really care, if they deliver then awesome, if not then I am out 75 dollars, that will probably not make me go hungry, or even register.

 

But we needed at least one of these projects, because way to often do you here that if only an indie dev got AAA money we might see something incredible, now here it is, and if this fails?

 

At least now we will know, and the fallout from this if it crash and burn is not going to be pretty.

 

And lets not forget, they might be indie but they are very very far from unexperienced, these are gaming heavy weights.

 

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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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  NightBandit

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Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 767

Make friends not money, then wealth will follow.

12/07/13 9:36:14 AM#50

Look it's obvious this game will not be everyone's cup of tea but lets face it anyone in business who can make more money by selling assets will do so. So why the big deal they are probably the most successful kick starter program to date, though don't quote me on that as I cba to go and check. I'm as bad as the next person when it comes to paying for gaming I've been gaming online since the mid 80's and will no doubt be doing so into the mid whatever's and if more money means better return for game play then I'll keep pumping money into the system as it's my hobby.

As long as it does not do what X-Rebirth has done and fail miserably and rip off the customer base then that's all cool imo. They even have fans paying subscription for the game which is not even out yet and imo that's unheard of in this industry so you can bet your bottom dollar that they will get it right as they have the monthly income to back up and pay people wages to make this what I believe will be an EPIC game unheard of in the industry. I would even go so far to say it could be spaces answer to Wow omg I used that word and must now wash my mouth out with salty water...

Also talking about paying wages they can now afford to keep people in the gaming industry PAID in secure employment for 10 years how cool is that, can you imagine the talent they are bringing into this game. While other companies who are failing or failed are laying off staff left right and centre can only be a good thing for people with the skills I don't have to help makes games I want and will pay for...Up to now I am in SC @ $1405.00 and set my self a limit of £1500.00 so there you have it.

 

Game on!!!

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  Husvik

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Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 432

Having fun who cares.

12/07/13 10:47:09 AM#51
Originally posted by Umbrood

Crazy thing here though is that this is almost entirely community driven hype.

No marketer in the world would even dare dream of actually be able to create something of this proportion.

30 million would be nowhere near what would be required to artificially make that happen.

People who think RSI has somehow masterminded this give them WAY to much credit.

All of sudden money started to get thrown at them, and no one would refuse to pick that up, no one!

 

Being, I think, 75 dollars into it I do not really care, if they deliver then awesome, if not then I am out 75 dollars, that will probably not make me go hungry, or even register.

 

But we needed at least one of these projects, because way to often do you here that if only an indie dev got AAA money we might see something incredible, now here it is, and if this fails?

 

At least now we will know, and the fallout from this if it crash and burn is not going to be pretty.

 

And lets not forget, they might be indie but they are very very far from unexperienced, these are gaming heavy weights.

 

 

I agree, i played Wing Commander games and loved them, but the biggest heavy weights in the gaming industry, "Bioware" produced SWTOR. Below is not directed at you Umbrood

Yes i'm disappointed, because now the industry simply relies on carbon copy games and now literally is cashing in on your hype, dreams and hope. If we reach this stretch we'll add this or that, honestly the scope of this is well beyond any businesslike, down-to-earth, practical grounded foundation, but hey, lets dream up even more unrealistic goals and make more money. It's like forums gone wild of what could be, wouldn't it be cool if posts.

The fall out of this is going to be unparalleled, and no one gets their money back. lol

What bothers me the most is my son, whom has zero concept of money wants the $5000 dollar package, or he believes their is no point in playing the game. WHAT F'IN GAME??? LOL He's a kid so i completely understand the "falling for the hype" but they didn't make 34 million on kids i'm sure. That's the scary part.

All this is going to do is ruin the entire kick starter concept. Remember kick start is to "KICK" start the development, not make has-been's rich. Who knows maybe i'm so wrong it's not even funny, but what we have to wait a couple years to find out, lol.

  Umbrood

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Joined: 7/09/03
Posts: 1842

12/08/13 9:08:33 AM#52

And lets not forget, if this crashes, that would be an epic crash, even more so then swtor, because that was just really sad.

The drama, the forum warfare, the headlines?

Oh man, that in itself will be worth my 75 bucks.

 

I would rather see them succeed of course, but in the end, there will be entertainment value regardless.

 

History in the making, and who does not want to be part of that?

As a spectator at the very least.

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  Quazal.A

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Joined: 6/10/13
Posts: 420

12/08/13 9:28:38 AM#53

The biggest annoyance for me.

 

Can we stop calling it a kickstarter... This stop being a kickstarter long time ago !.

Fact is you have to now give directly to him, / his company etc.

This is simply a gaming company charity, nothing more nothing less, 

 

In fact I would also argue that this failed the kickstarters own rules.. 

 

Rule 

  • Projects cannot resell items or offer rewards not produced by the project or its creator.

 

I see lots of rewards being offered that do NOT fall into this category.

Fact is the guy has collected some serious mulah , and bear in mind he original KS was for 500k he is now sitting pretty on $34 mill which should make him a game that straight out box should be ready to play , The fact is his asking for 500k seems like it was start of the 'scam' 

I wish him good luck, If people want to give their hard earnt / inherited money to him more power to you, Its your cash its your choice, but this will have 1 of 2 outcomes

 

1 - He releases a game it works , great good for you, pat yourself on back, will game be around in 5-10yrs , I seriosuly doubt it, but only time will tell

2 - He fails deliver anything that he promises, this is my own opinion and reasons are below.

 

When your asking for money to do something, then in my opinion you need to provide something as proof? What has the guy provided so far??? A box that you can walk around..

In stead of making up items that people will get if they give him more money, how about giving the player something that can use NOW! 

How is all this making stuff going to get added to game if the core game isn't ready now??? Surely throw all the 'nice' things after release say something like

"donate for 500bill" and on update 1 you will get a pink hairy ball bag - Dont try and offer this with reelase, because each item they are offering it is merley making the development time longer.

 

To me all they are doing is dangling people with carrots, and if you follow carrot eventually you will fall off cliff..

This post is all my opinion, but I welcome debate on anything i have put, however, personal slander / name calling belongs in game :) were of course your welcome to call me names im often found lounging about in EvE online.
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  william0532

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12/11/13 10:35:18 PM#54
Originally posted by Quazal.A

Snip for brevity.

They've offered a lot more than just a box. They've offered ships, inside that box that you can interact with. Dog fighting module is coming out soon.

I really don't believe like you do that this game will end up vapor ware, with the fans being left empty handed. What I do think, is;

 

Fans will feel empty handed because x feature they dreamed up in their own little heads won't be met(this is seen with every game though, and the effect will only be magnified for those that pledge tons to the game)

 

The most disappointing aspect about the pledge campaigns, is the shady tactics used to milk those whales for all their worth.

1. The amount of pledgers isn't increasing exponentially, but the total is. That's because they are milking the **** out of current supporters.

2. They use class warfare to propagate funds; they list your backer status(what ships, and titles you've pledged for), they allow non pledgers to post, but their avatars are grayed out(easiest way to discriminate is through the use of color, worked in the 50's right...). If a none backer posts a question, i.e "how will instancing work", they are met with insults about them not supporting the game, or being below the rest of the community.

The above is exasperated by a "subscribers only" den where they can post without interuption by the "unclean" people in general forums, yet they pop into general chat to berate and talk down too new posters.

The community there is elistist ****. All of them? of course not, but you should be judged by those who represent you the loudest. Now, if those ****bags that post nonsense about backer status were met with criticism from their peers, and action by the mods, than that would be different, yet the majority just let the loud mouths do the speaking for them, so their placation makes them just as much of a piece of **** as the crap posters.

3. reselling same **** different day. Exclusive doesn't mean the same thing their as it does everywhere else. Anyone who's remotely followed the game knows what I'm on about, so I'll let it go. No need to elaborate.

So honestly, I expect CIG to make a great game, but the cost through their actions is going to be hefty in the long run in my opinion.

  Volkmar

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12/12/13 3:40:02 AM#55
Originally posted by william0532
Originally posted by Quazal.A

Snip for brevity.

They've offered a lot more than just a box. They've offered ships, inside that box that you can interact with. Dog fighting module is coming out soon.

I really don't believe like you do that this game will end up vapor ware, with the fans being left empty handed. What I do think, is;

 

Fans will feel empty handed because x feature they dreamed up in their own little heads won't be met(this is seen with every game though, and the effect will only be magnified for those that pledge tons to the game)

 

The most disappointing aspect about the pledge campaigns, is the shady tactics used to milk those whales for all their worth.

1. The amount of pledgers isn't increasing exponentially, but the total is. That's because they are milking the **** out of current supporters.

2. They use class warfare to propagate funds; they list your backer status(what ships, and titles you've pledged for), they allow non pledgers to post, but their avatars are grayed out(easiest way to discriminate is through the use of color, worked in the 50's right...). If a none backer posts a question, i.e "how will instancing work", they are met with insults about them not supporting the game, or being below the rest of the community.

The above is exasperated by a "subscribers only" den where they can post without interuption by the "unclean" people in general forums, yet they pop into general chat to berate and talk down too new posters.

The community there is elistist ****. All of them? of course not, but you should be judged by those who represent you the loudest. Now, if those ****bags that post nonsense about backer status were met with criticism from their peers, and action by the mods, than that would be different, yet the majority just let the loud mouths do the speaking for them, so their placation makes them just as much of a piece of **** as the crap posters.

3. reselling same **** different day. Exclusive doesn't mean the same thing their as it does everywhere else. Anyone who's remotely followed the game knows what I'm on about, so I'll let it go. No need to elaborate.

So honestly, I expect CIG to make a great game, but the cost through their actions is going to be hefty in the long run in my opinion.

2. Wait... what??

The black and white avatars for non-backers were just introduced.. like a week ago. Also most games do not even allow you on their forums if you are not a customer, so why should they? And still you can log in AND post as a dude that contributed 0 dollars to Star Citizen. The tag, the titles and the colors are a boon to people that gave them money or do you think the only thing backers should get is a kick in the balls?

Same thing for subscribers. THEY contribute more to Star Citizen by paying monthly, why should they not get something in return? I'm not one, so I cannot say what is going on in their forums, but damn I have no idea what the heck are you saying about subscribers coming down and start "berating" the others, eh?? Just because someone claiming to be a subscriber is acting like an idiot in chatroll does not means all subscribers or even any subscribers are like that, mmmh? Idiots exist in all classes and groups, I am sure you know that?

I'm also sure there are non-subscriber going in the chat loudmouthing those "elitist" subscribers and how dirty they are, the glass is transparent, you know? Should I then start thinking that all non-subscribers are idiots too? Let's stop generalizing, all right?

3. I'm not sure what you mean.. but if you speak of the limited ship then... the Limited ships were "Limited", not Exclusives. Plus it had been made very clear from DAY ONE that ALL ships can be acquired IN GAME, so nothing is exclusive.

As for what they give us: More than any other kickstarter I have even see.

First of all, when the KS started, they did have a in-game trailer showing off some impressive stuff, second off, they have released several trailers of in-game footage, the hangar module and they keep weekly shows where they tell us of the progress of the game. NAME another kickstarter/crowd funding game that does the same, I dare you.

From my point of view, this is no different than any other Cwordfunded project, they often have nothing but ideas to offer too or a video at best. Only some rare cases have something more like a demo or such. So if you are against crowdfunding in general, so be it, that's cool, but it is by no means just Star Citizen being as such.

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  Gdemami

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12/12/13 4:15:43 AM#56


Kickstarter is money grab by definition - you get nothing back but words for your money, easy money with no liability.

One has to admit that CR is very good at it though.

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12/12/13 4:17:55 AM#57


Originally posted by Gdemami

Kickstarter is money grab by definition - you get nothing back but words for your money, easy money with no liability.

One has to admit that CR is very good at it though.


Yep and the world is a disc...

  Gdemami

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12/12/13 4:22:10 AM#58


Originally posted by morbuskabis

Yep and the world is a disc...


There are people who actually believe it, just like there are people who belive Chris Roberts.

Same thing make both cases possible. Human beings are amazing.

  Muke

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12/12/13 4:25:40 AM#59
Originally posted by apanz3r

It looks like their main concern is to grab more money altough they allredy reached any goal they proposed.

The "limited available" ships return again for a week etc.

 Bottomline : consume with  moderation, don;t fall in their marketing trap.

newsflash: companies never have enough money.

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  Gdemami

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12/12/13 4:29:49 AM#60


Originally posted by Muke

newsflash: companies never have enough money.

No one has :)

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